So the Senate "voted" to increase gas mileage standards?

[dcOne 2]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/21/con...y.ap/index.html

 

 

 

They "voted" for this? So lets see..... what----hmmmmm. Voted?

 

This was up for a vote? Umm. Okay.

 

 

Gee whiz. Now if we could only get the Senate, etc. to vote to implement a cure for cancer.

[Colbert Nation 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/21/con...y.ap/index.html

They "voted" for this? So lets see..... what----hmmmmm. Voted?

 

This was up for a vote? Umm. Okay.

Gee whiz. Now if we could only get the Senate, etc. to vote to implement a cure for cancer.

 

The vote was basically a wake up call to American automobile manufacturers that say, if you can't produce a car that gets a minimum of 28 miles per gallon then you will not be allowed to sell it...

 

sort of a kick in the ass to GM and Ford....who are currently getting destroyed by Japanese companies when it comes to fuel economy....

[BudBro 168]

The vote was basically a wake up call to American automobile manufacturers that say, if you can't produce a car that gets a minimum of 28 miles per gallon then you will not be allowed to sell it...

 

sort of a kick in the ass to GM and Ford....who are currently getting destroyed by Japanese companies when it comes to fuel economy....

 

fuel economy has nothing to do with it, there's plenty of fuel. they also voted how cold your refrigerator can be and how many watts your microwave can emit to cook food and host of other things they have no business regulating. if i choose to drive an suv that gets 15 mpg and am willing to pay for the fuel, then that should be my choice, not the government's choice. they were put in place to make laws that protect us, like securing the border, not telling me what type of car i will drive. why does the senate think they know how to run an auto factory better than gm or ford? it's not a kick in the ass to the car company, it's a kick in the ass to you and me. enough is enough with all this legislation that intrudes more and more into our daily lives. algore makes a ridiculous movie full of lies and now every senator and representative thinks they need to reinvent the light bulb and force it into our homes. this bill will likely get passed during the weekend without most of the country even knowing it...and you know what it means to us, higher costs of living, hidden taxes, and fewer choices. it's time for an overthrow of this congress. they're bad for this country. good lord, i can't wait for this baby boomer generation to die so we can get this hippie crap over and done.

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fuel economy has nothing to do with it, there's plenty of fuel. they also voted how cold your refrigerator can be and how many watts your microwave can emit to cook food and host of other things they have no business regulating. if i choose to drive an suv that gets 15 mpg and am willing to pay for the fuel, then that should be my choice, not the government's choice. they were put in place to make laws that protect us, like securing the border, not telling me what type of car i will drive. why does the senate think they know how to run an auto factory better than gm or ford? it's not a kick in the ass to the car company, it's a kick in the ass to you and me. enough is enough with all this legislation that intrudes more and more into our daily lives. algore makes a ridiculous movie full of lies and now every senator and representative thinks they need to reinvent the light bulb and force it into our homes. this bill will likely get passed during the weekend without most of the country even knowing it...and you know what it means to us, higher costs of living, hidden taxes, and fewer choices. it's time for an overthrow of this congress. they're bad for this country. good lord, i can't wait for this baby boomer generation to die so we can get this hippie crap over and done.

 

It is certainly easy for the individual to assert some imposition to their free will in such instances, however this is non sequitur. The constitution does not gauruntee anyone the right to "drive an SUV".

 

The government will often establish barriers to economic forces with regard to FDI and REI in order to protect domestic industry, but this instance fits something else. Reducing domestic reliance on foreign sources of energy is an absolute obligation of our government, but also each individual.

 

Oil as a source of energy is not limitless, and the expectation is that it will diminish in supply by 2025 to the extent that it is too costly to use. The impetus to seek a reduction in consumption and also locate renewable sources is pivotal to the future success of our economy. These steps are designed to coax industry and the people of this nation toward that route, this is a gentle way of arriving at our final destination prepared instead of "cutting over".

[Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0]

AMERICAAAAAAA........FOCK YEAH!

[KSB2424 3,100]

What is the difference between this and the FDA regulating what kind of drugs can be sold in the U.S. (i.e. making them pass certain tests and protocols)?

[RLLD 3,928]

What is the difference between this and the FDA regulating what kind of drugs can be sold in the U.S. (i.e. making them pass certain tests and protocols)?

 

Valid. The main difference being that pharmaceuticals are something in good supply, that can be easily produced internally or obtained is sustainable quantities from allies.

 

Oil is provided from specific locations and were supply to halt would completely fock us and our economy.

 

Based on these "distinctions" I would submit that those policies successful with regard to pharmaceuticals do not tightly integrate into the energy resource market.

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instead of passing BS laws forbiding auto companies from selling vehicles that don't get 28+mpg, they should get out of the focking way of the scientists and inventors that are trying to come up with a different fuel source!

My brother and a few of our friends go to the School of Mines in Golden, CO. It's always a top 5 or so Engineering and Applied Science school in the Nation.

I think it was sometime this last school year where for some field project, a group of students and a few teachers came to the conclusion that if you took a 100sq mile piece of land in the middle of say the desert in Arizona (maybe JK could cut them a deal on the land that nobody will ever travel to), and you filled it with 100sqmiles of solar panels, you would have enough electricity to power the entire nation!!! That's a lot of energy! That's alot of fuel that nobody would be dependant upon! That's alot of fuel that never runs out

See, instead of trying to penalize the auto industry, they should step back and let the scientists do their thing. The Congress/Senate/Pres/etc... will never do that though, cause they will lose all their political lobbying power with the big Oil and Fuel/Energy compainies. So they will pass retarded laws like these, all the while, continue to nail the scientists hands to the floor so that they dont come up with something that will put a dent in the politicians pickets to the amount of millions per year, and their pollitical backers billions per year!

[RLLD 3,928]

instead of passing BS laws forbiding auto companies from selling vehicles that don't get 28+mpg, they should get out of the focking way of the scientists and inventors that are trying to come up with a different fuel source!

My brother and a few of our friends go to the School of Mines in Golden, CO. It's always a top 5 or so Engineering and Applied Science school in the Nation.

I think it was sometime this last school year where for some field project, a group of students and a few teachers came to the conclusion that if you took a 100sq mile piece of land in the middle of say the desert in Arizona (maybe JK could cut them a deal on the land that nobody will ever travel to), and you filled it with 100sqmiles of solar panels, you would have enough electricity to power the entire nation!!! That's a lot of energy! That's alot of fuel that nobody would be dependant upon! That's alot of fuel that never runs out

See, instead of trying to penalize the auto industry, they should step back and let the scientists do their thing. The Congress/Senate/Pres/etc... will never do that though, cause they will lose all their political lobbying power with the big Oil and Fuel/Energy compainies. So they will pass retarded laws like these, all the while, continue to nail the scientists hands to the floor so that they dont come up with something that will put a dent in the politicians pickets to the amount of millions per year, and their pollitical backers billions per year!

 

Uhmmm, they already have

[cmh6476 926]

during ww2, it might take you a month or so before you could buy a tire. You had to have stamps to buy gas, and permits in your window allowing you to go on certain trips

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during ww2, it might take you a month or so before you could buy a tire. You had to have stamps to buy gas, and permits in your window allowing you to go on certain trips

 

 

Very salient point.

[cmh6476 926]

Very salient point.

yeah i just heard some guy talking about this last night.

[dcOne 2]

they should get out of the focking way of the scientists and inventors that are trying to come up with a different fuel source!

 

Bingo.

[BudBro 168]

so none of you seem to mind the intrusion? just me, then. they've been sneaking in this kind of thing for so long now that you don't even care, or worse, you think they're doing it for your good. they're not busy, that's the problem. they don't want to take on anything that might allow some progress here. how about ridding us of the billion tax laws on the books and making that more efficient. how about working on some tort reform so we can afford our own health care. now they're worried about how to manage and manipulate talk radio. that's not their business. this has to stop.

 

they are in violation of the constitution on many counts, as is this president (whom i voted for and supported on many occasions), and you don't care. this is a congress full of ######-blockers and do-nothings. they'll remove the auto manufacturers from american industry as well. add more layers of social environmentalism (there is no science involved here), higher wages from the uaw, subsidize foreign manufacturers to produce smaller and smaller geos, and they'll be done. watch the lincolns and the cadillacs disappear right along with our balls. another notch in the belt of socialism.

 

the fda is an irresponsible bureaucracy influenced by payoffs to get bad drugs on the market. ask all the suicide kids taking the depression drugs. sorry, i mean you should have asked them. what about the statin drugs that kill all their clients? if you want something done inefficiently and at a higher cost, turn it over the government.

[t.j 35]

In an eleventh-hour compromise fashioned after two days of closed-door meetings, an agreement was reached to increase average fuel economy by 40 percent to 35 miles per gallon for cars, SUVs and pickup trucks by 2020.

 

2020? What a joke.

 

I should hope that by then we are long since past the point where getting 35 mpg is no big deal. And some of you are complaining about being restricted?

[Quickolas1 80]

maybe i just dont get it, but how does telling automakers to make the same cars they're making have better gas mileage intruding on your rights...?

 

check out "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

 

GM & Ford are at their own fault for letting Toyota & Honda kick their ass in the fuel efficient marketplace. they had the technology long before their foreign competitors.

[t.j 35]

maybe i just dont get it, but how does telling automakers to make the same cars they're making have better gas mileage intruding on your rights...?

 

check out "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

 

GM & Ford are at their own fault for letting Toyota & Honda kick their ass in the fuel efficient marketplace. they had the technology long before their foreign competitors.

 

Great film

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

Oil as a source of energy is not limitless, and the expectation is that it will diminish in supply by 2025 to the extent that it is too costly to use.

 

 

Got anything that backs that up? Hell, Algore says we will all be daid from heat by then anyway.

[VikesFan 1]

Got anything that backs that up? Hell, Algore says we will all be daid from heat by then anyway.

Google the words "peak oil"

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Google the words "peak oil"

 

I'll let rlld back up his own gloom-n-doom BS. What I'm seeing is that our "known reserves" has us supplied though this century. That doesn't even take into account what hasn't been discovered yet.

[Big_Pete 0]

so none of you seem to mind the intrusion? just me, then. they've been sneaking in this kind of thing for so long now that you don't even care, or worse, you think they're doing it for your good. they're not busy, that's the problem. they don't want to take on anything that might allow some progress here. how about ridding us of the billion tax laws on the books and making that more efficient. how about working on some tort reform so we can afford our own health care. now they're worried about how to manage and manipulate talk radio. that's not their business. this has to stop.

 

they are in violation of the constitution on many counts, as is this president (whom i voted for and supported on many occasions), and you don't care. this is a congress full of ######-blockers and do-nothings. they'll remove the auto manufacturers from american industry as well. add more layers of social environmentalism (there is no science involved here), higher wages from the uaw, subsidize foreign manufacturers to produce smaller and smaller geos, and they'll be done. watch the lincolns and the cadillacs disappear right along with our balls. another notch in the belt of socialism.

 

the fda is an irresponsible bureaucracy influenced by payoffs to get bad drugs on the market. ask all the suicide kids taking the depression drugs. sorry, i mean you should have asked them. what about the statin drugs that kill all their clients? if you want something done inefficiently and at a higher cost, turn it over the government.

 

Apparently you misread my post. As well as a few others.

I think them passing this law is BS, and instead of sh1t like this, they should let scientists do their thing and come up with some new form of energy/fuel. But Noooooo.... they'll nail them to the cross and put so much red focking tape aroudn everything they try that it's near unpossible to make any progress, cause they know that as soon as said scientists rid us of the oil, the pockets of the pollititians will lose their millions per year, and the pockets of the oil industries will lose billions/trillions.

 

maybe i just dont get it, but how does telling automakers to make the same cars they're making have better gas mileage intruding on your rights...?

 

check out "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

 

GM & Ford are at their own fault for letting Toyota & Honda kick their ass in the fuel efficient marketplace. they had the technology long before their foreign competitors.

That's not the focking point!

If you want a fuel efficient car, it's YOUR CHOICE to buy a fuel efficient toyota/honda/whatever.

If you don't, it's YOUR CHOICE not to!

just like it's GM/Ford/Dodge's choice to make these or not to make these.

The government isn't doing it to help ford or gm or dodge sell more vehicles, they are doing it because they are slowly turning up the boiling water in the pot, and we are the focking frogs that don't realize we are being boiled alive until one day in 3rd grade when they talk about soviet russia in the 40's, a kid will raise his/her hand and say "but teacher, isn't this what we are doing here as well? so why was it so bad over there?"....

the more government imposes on us and our free will, and the more we let them get away with it, especially with their double speak which makes the not as intellegent person believe that it's for our own good, the close we are to communism.

"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine

If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too." -- Somerset Maugham

"The man who produces while others dispose of his product is a slave." -- Ayn Rand

[Fervid Ro 0]

"instead of passing BS laws forbiding auto companies from selling vehicles that don't get 28+mpg,"

 

dumbass, it's a fleet requirement.

[Big_Pete 0]

dumbass, it's a fleet requirement.

did you read the article?

did you read my whole post?

do you have 5th grade comprehension skills?

[Fervid Ro 0]

did you read the article?

did you read my whole post?

do you have 5th grade comprehension skills?

no.

no.

no.

torridjoe posted as me?