nlgb1 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Jun 10 News: Addai may be used as a slot or extra receiver in some offensive packages this season, the Terre Haute Tribune-Star reports. "I think we're going to see much, much more of Joseph Addai and I think he's going to be get better and better," head coach Tony Dungy told the team's official web site. intriguing.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 918 Posted July 2, 2007 Addia and Rhodes combined for 76 receptions last year (Addia had 40). With Rhodes now gone and Dungy wanting Addia involved in more pass plays, he could end up with ??? 50+ or 60+ receptions.? Nice points if it happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted July 2, 2007 For Addai High side - 1400 ru 65 rec 500 yds 15 TD's Low side - 1000 ru 40 rec 350 yds 9 TD's LIkley - 1250 yds ru 50 rec 480 yds 12 TD's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nlgb1 0 Posted July 2, 2007 im really startin to like addai.....almost rock solid for me at 1.05 in my 10 team draft. only competition is SA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 2, 2007 For Addai High side - 1400 ru 65 rec 500 yds 15 TD's Low side - 1000 ru 40 rec 350 yds 9 TD's LIkley - 1250 yds ru 50 rec 480 yds 12 TD's Likely for a 2nd year guy is 12td's? Not sure that this is the norm or not? Holy Shiet for Bush's expectations then! And what about Maroney's? Bush.... Maroney.... Addai.....1250 + 480 & 12 td's Come on Moz, fill in the blanks for the following 2nd year guys. Rushing, receiving yards, and td's. Would this give us three 2nd year fellas with 1500+ total yards and over 10 td's each? No way and I'm willing to make a little wager on this outcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mggoilers 0 Posted July 2, 2007 I am seriously think about dealing Gore for Addai...I don't see them as very far apart, and wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nlgb1 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Likely for a 2nd year guy is 12td's? Not sure that this is the norm or not? Holy Shiet for Bush's expectations then! And what about Maroney's? Bush.... Maroney.... Addai.....1250 + 480 & 12 td's Come on Moz, fill in the blanks for the following 2nd year guys. Rushing, receiving yards, and td's. Would this give us three 2nd year fellas with 1500+ total yards and over 10 td's each? No way and I'm willing to make a little wager on this outcome. moz's prediction isnt outrageous...probably accurate actually.it isnt far off from what he did as a rookie in RBBC. i think the higher stat numbers are actually more likely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryChinaski 1 Posted July 2, 2007 Addai was a great receiver at LSU... that was one of his biggest assets. I def. believe Dungy when he says this.. Don't be surprised if Addai pulls in 65-70 receptions. Maybe more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted July 2, 2007 Likely for a 2nd year guy is 12td's? Not sure that this is the norm or not? Holy Shiet for Bush's expectations then! And what about Maroney's? Bush.... Maroney.... Addai.....1250 + 480 & 12 td's Come on Moz, fill in the blanks for the following 2nd year guys. Rushing, receiving yards, and td's. Would this give us three 2nd year fellas with 1500+ total yards and over 10 td's each? No way and I'm willing to make a little wager on this outcome. I definitely don't see Bush getting those numbers unless Deuce goes down. It is tough to get 12 td's when you don't get the goal line carries. But the yardage I could see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBLCommish 0 Posted July 2, 2007 moz's prediction isnt outrageous...probably accurate actually.it isnt far off from what he did as a rookie in RBBC. i think the higher stat numbers are actually more likely I agree!! It's not like the Colts and Peyton did not throw a ton of passes to Edge back in the day. Addai could easily nab 70 catches this year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigDaddy1978 0 Posted July 2, 2007 Last year Addai was 40/50 as (if I remember right) a #2. Now that he's a full timer, those numbers will definitely increase. They can't not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted July 2, 2007 Likely for a 2nd year guy is 12td's? Not sure that this is the norm or not? Holy Shiet for Bush's expectations then! And what about Maroney's? Bush.... Maroney.... Addai.....1250 + 480 & 12 td's Come on Moz, fill in the blanks for the following 2nd year guys. Rushing, receiving yards, and td's. Would this give us three 2nd year fellas with 1500+ total yards and over 10 td's each? No way and I'm willing to make a little wager on this outcome. Bush - 850 yds ru 75 rec 700 yds rec 9 TD's Maroney ( If his shoulder holds up all season ) 1400 yds ru 14 TD's 40 rec 350 rec yards 1 TD I am high on Maroney if healthy -- Great O line and great offense and Belichick when Dillon was the man and healthy got a large workload. I think Maroney is also more talented RB Addai IMO is a benefit of a great offense but still talented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nlgb1 0 Posted July 2, 2007 tier 1 LT Sjax LJ tier 2 gore addai SA Maroney addai and maroney will be damn good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 2, 2007 How is this different from Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams the prior year? Coming into their 2nd season both of these guys were walking on water to most people here...shiat, I even drank the coolaid and took Brown too high. Neither of those guys had ever been the primary ball carrier and look what happened to both. Yes, I await the big both of them had QB issues last year "*" everybody wants to qualify their excuses with for picking them so high. And granted, playing with Manning (Addai) and Brady (Maroney) is vastly different than playing in Miami and Tampa, but you guys are getting drunk on Coolaid I swear. It's almost a guarantee that both of these guys are gonna miss some time in their first season as a primary NFL ball carrier, and all things considered, give me the guys who have done it for one full season already (ie, Gore, Parker, Alexander, etc) than two guys who to me have proved very little in part-time work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unckeyherb 2 Posted July 2, 2007 How is this different from Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams the prior year? Coming into their 2nd season both of these guys were walking on water to most people here...shiat, I even drank the coolaid and took Brown too high. Neither of those guys had ever been the primary ball carrier and look what happened to both. Yes, I await the big both of them had QB issues last year "*" everybody wants to qualify their excuses with for picking them so high. And granted, playing with Manning (Addai) and Brady (Maroney) is vastly different than playing in Miami and Tampa, but you guys are getting drunk on Coolaid I swear. It's almost a guarantee that both of these guys are gonna miss some time in their first season as a primary NFL ball carrier, and all things considered, give me the guys who have done it for one full season already (ie, Gore, Parker, Alexander, etc) than two guys who to me have proved very little in part-time work. I have to disagree with the comparison. Addai carried the ball 226 times last year, splitting work with Rhodes. Caddy was a total workhorse right out of the gate, carrying the ball just under 300 times his rookie year. That is a huge difference, and it took a toll on Caddy as is evidenced by his breakdown last year. Regarding Ronnie Brown, while he was in a similar situation to Addai in that he only carried the ball about 200 times his rookie year, while splitting with Ricky, I personally have never seen why people are so high on him. Addai rushed for nearly 175 yards more (1081) than Ronnie (907) during his rookie year, while only getting about 20 more carries than him. They got nearly the same amount of looks receiving, (50 attempts for Addai, to 47 for Ronnie), but the end result was that Addai totaled nearly 100 yards more than Ronnie, getting 325 yards to Ronnie's 232. Factor in that Addai is going to be used MORE this year, both in carrying the ball and receiving, from one of the best QB's in the game (who also likes to dump 2 yard TD passes BTW) and the fact that he is surrounded by better coaches, WAY better recievers, WAY better Qb.....Addai finishes top five this year, barring any injury. I could easily see him rushing for 1,300-1,400 yards and 11 TD's and getting 70-80 receptions totalling 700+yards and a couple more TD's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted July 2, 2007 How is this different from Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams the prior year? Coming into their 2nd season both of these guys were walking on water to most people here...shiat, I even drank the coolaid and took Brown too high. Neither of those guys had ever been the primary ball carrier and look what happened to both. Yes, I await the big both of them had QB issues last year "*" everybody wants to qualify their excuses with for picking them so high. And granted, playing with Manning (Addai) and Brady (Maroney) is vastly different than playing in Miami and Tampa, but you guys are getting drunk on Coolaid I swear. It's almost a guarantee that both of these guys are gonna miss some time in their first season as a primary NFL ball carrier, and all things considered, give me the guys who have done it for one full season already (ie, Gore, Parker, Alexander, etc) than two guys who to me have proved very little in part-time work. I think the big difference is obvious. Who is the QB for the Dolphins and Bucs? Who is the QB for the Colts? Just look at how much better that Colts offense is vs. those of the Bucs and Dolphins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 2, 2007 I made allowances for the QB situation on both teams. I readily admit that the teams that both Addai & Maroney are on are vastly superior to those of Brown/Caddy. The point here is that both Brown and Caddy broke down in their first year of full time duty, despite the fact that both were more highly touted and went much higher in the NFL draft than Addai/Maroney. Neither Addai nor Maroney have proven themselves as a 300+ carry #1 RB option in their offense yet, whereas guys like Parker/Westbrook/Alexander (age aside) have done so. What I'm saying is that Addai/Maroney coolaid drinking on this board is becoming an epidemic considering neither of them has proven yet they can do it. If I'm sitting at the 5-7 spots, I'm looking at the proven guys. If I'm sitting at 8-12, hell yeah, I'm looking at Addai or Maroney or BOTH if I can get them. But at this point it's really hard to discount the slump sophomore runners seem to hit, especially when they become the primary ballcarrier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unckeyherb 2 Posted July 2, 2007 I made allowances for the QB situation on both teams. I readily admit that the teams that both Addai & Maroney are on are vastly superior to those of Brown/Caddy. The point here is that both Brown and Caddy broke down in their first year of full time duty, despite the fact that both were more highly touted and went much higher in the NFL draft than Addai/Maroney. Neither Addai nor Maroney have proven themselves as a 300+ carry #1 RB option in their offense yet, whereas guys like Parker/Westbrook/Alexander (age aside) have done so. What I'm saying is that Addai/Maroney coolaid drinking on this board is becoming an epidemic considering neither of them has proven yet they can do it. If I'm sitting at the 5-7 spots, I'm looking at the proven guys. If I'm sitting at 8-12, hell yeah, I'm looking at Addai or Maroney or BOTH if I can get them. But at this point it's really hard to discount the slump sophomore runners seem to hit, especially when they become the primary ballcarrier. well, strictly speaking if Addai can increase his carries by 20 and receptions by 30 (which I think is very possible) he will have the same carries and receptions as Westbrook had last year (which was also his best year). The fact that he is going to be used a lot in their passing game (and the fact that it is Indy) tells me that he might not need to push 300+ carries. Edge didn't eclipse 300 carries till his third year, and even then it was only 309. I guess I see what you are saying regarding the fact that he has to prove it, I just think that he was used quite a bit last year and didn't show signs of breaking down at all. Perhaps I am just being an optimistic Addai owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 2, 2007 Bush - 850 yds ru 75 rec 700 yds rec 9 TD's Maroney ( If his shoulder holds up all season ) 1400 yds ru 14 TD's 40 rec 350 rec yards 1 TD I am high on Maroney if healthy -- Great O line and great offense and Belichick when Dillon was the man and healthy got a large workload. I think Maroney is also more talented RB Addai IMO is a benefit of a great offense but still talented. 3 second years guys all going over 1500 total yards . I just can't see all three doing that. We shall see! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted July 2, 2007 Likely for a 2nd year guy is 12td's? Not sure that this is the norm or not? Holy Shiet for Bush's expectations then! And what about Maroney's? Bush.... Maroney.... Addai.....1250 + 480 & 12 td's Come on Moz, fill in the blanks for the following 2nd year guys. Rushing, receiving yards, and td's. Would this give us three 2nd year fellas with 1500+ total yards and over 10 td's each? No way and I'm willing to make a little wager on this outcome. Why can't a 2nd year RB have huge production? RB is the easiest position to come in as a young player and be a big part of the offense. We've seen guys have 1700 yards and 15+ TDs as rookies! What do Bush and Maroney have to do with Addai? I actually think Addai will have a better FF season than either of those guys. Addai should be the man in Indy, which gives him a leg up on Reggie. Maroney's situation is similar to Addai's, but he is not healthy right now. If Maroney stays healthy and assumes a feature role in NE then I could see him putting up those kind of numbers, so I don't see why it's a problem to project Addai for 1700 total yards and 12 TDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 2, 2007 Why can't a 2nd year RB have huge production? RB is the easiest position to come in as a young player and be a big part of the offense. We've seen guys have 1700 yards and 15+ TDs as rookies! What do Bush and Maroney have to do with Addai? I actually think Addai will have a better FF season than either of those guys. Addai should be the man in Indy, which gives him a leg up on Reggie. Maroney's situation is similar to Addai's, but he is not healthy right now. If Maroney stays healthy and assumes a feature role in NE then I could see him putting up those kind of numbers, so I don't see why it's a problem to project Addai for 1700 total yards and 12 TDs. Here's a tidbit for you, in the last 3 years, 6 players (2004), 4 players (2005) and 4 players (2006) have gotten 1700 total yards and 12 TD. The list is as follows: Alexander, Shaun RB SEA (2004, 2005) Barber, Tiki RB NYG (2004) Tomlinson, LaDainian RB SD (2004, 2005, 2006) Martin, Curtis RB NYJ (2004) Dillon, Corey RB NE (2004) Williams, Domanick RB HOU (2004), Johnson, Larry RB KC (2005, 2006) James, Edgerrin RB ARI (2005) Jackson, Steven RB STL (2006) Parker, Willie RB PIT (2006) That's 10 players in 3 years, heavily dominated by Tomlinson, LJ and SA. I find it difficult to believe that any more than 1 new person will hit that list, let alone the 3 that are now being mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted July 2, 2007 Here's a tidbit for you, in the last 3 years, 6 players (2004), 4 players (2005) and 4 players (2006) have gotten 1700 total yards and 12 TD. The list is as follows: Alexander, Shaun RB SEA (2004, 2005) Barber, Tiki RB NYG (2004) Tomlinson, LaDainian RB SD (2004, 2005, 2006) Martin, Curtis RB NYJ (2004) Dillon, Corey RB NE (2004) Williams, Domanick RB HOU (2004), Johnson, Larry RB KC (2005, 2006) James, Edgerrin RB ARI (2005) Jackson, Steven RB STL (2006) Parker, Willie RB PIT (2006) That's 10 players in 3 years, heavily dominated by Tomlinson, LJ and SA. I find it difficult to believe that any more than 1 new person will hit that list, let alone the 3 that are now being mentioned. That's just because there haven't been a lot of stud RBs coming into great situations of late. The first round RBs since '03 have gone into crappy situations... WMcGahee (Detroit + DNP as rookie), LJ (backed up Priest his first 2 years), CPerry (backing up Rudi and unable to stay healthy), KJones (Detroit), RBrown (Miami + split w/ Ricky as rookie), Benson (holdout as rookie, backed up Jones both years), Cadillac (Tampa), and all of the '06 guys split time as rookies. But of the active backs in the league, the following ones went for 1700 and 12 TD in their first or second year (or extremely close*)... -Curtis Martin '95, 1748 yds 15 TD -Fred Taylor '98, 1644 yds 17 TD* -Edgerrin James '99, 2139 yds 17 TD -Edgerrin James '00, 2303 yds 18 TD -Shaun Alexander '01, 1661 yds 16 TD* -LaDainian Tomlinson '02, 2172 yds 15 TD -Travis Henry '02, 1747 yds 14 TD -Deuce McAllister '02, 1740 yds 16 TD -Clinton Portis '02, 1872 yds 17 TD -Clinton Portis '03, 1905 yds 14 TD So it can be done. And we all know Addai is in a great situation in Indy. Definitely a better situation than any of the '03-'06 first-round backs had, either as rookies or as second-year players. Additionally, Frank Gore reached the FF equivalent of 1700/12 as a 2nd-year player last year, he was just more heavy on the yardage and less heavy on the TDs. Also, depending on your scoring system, Maurice Jones-Drew did it as a rookie (with extra TDs but less yardage). Again, an RB being young (i.e. 2nd year in the league) is no reason to believe that player cannot produce at a very high level. The biggest hurdle for young RBs is usually playing time, and all indications are that Addai will clear that hurdle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 2, 2007 I'll concede that it obviously can be done, and these Addai, followed by Maroney are the most likely to do it. IMO the latter end Rnd 1 is the place be picking, hoping for Parker/Addai on the front and Maroney on the back. My point is that I have problems spending a top 5 pick on a guy that hasn't proven to be at that level as of yet. I know somebody is gonna get there, and likely it's one (or perhaps) both of those two. I was planning on jumping all over Gore last year if I could get him in the 3rd for the same reason, but he was already gone. It's a value thing. At this point I've seen LT, LJ, SJax, Alexander and Parker now do it (although IMO Alexander is a risky pick because of age/team transition and the use/contract/team issues that surround LJ scare the hell out of me). I also know Westbrook has done it, as has Rudi. I'm sure my mind will be more made up as training camp commences, but for now I'm not quite ready to buy high on Addai, Maroney or Bush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted July 2, 2007 I don't think I would have a problem with Addai in the top 5. I haven't done any projections yet, but I suspect he will be in there when I do. There's a first time for every player that cracks the top 5. Granted, some players never do it, so for those players there is never a first time. But just because a player hasn't done it before doesn't scare me a lot. Especially in a case like this where the player's circumstances have improved considerably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turcaso 1 Posted July 3, 2007 If you're picking at 5 or 6 and Addai and SA are there who do you take? I still say SA is a lock for 14-16td's this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 3, 2007 I'm just thinking the odds in Mathematics that 3 2nd year guys can't get over 1500 total yards and 12ish td's. It's a Vegas Odds thing I guess. I wonder what the odds for all 3 (addai, maroney, bush) to get over 1500 total yards and 12 td's would be? 9/1? something will prevent this - it's MATH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 0 Posted July 3, 2007 I'm a big Addai fan this year. He's a real good back who's in a fantastic situation. If he plays a full 16 I see him easily being a top 10 RB with an upside of cracking the top five. The Colt O is gold and their D is nothing special which is a nice recipe for fantasy success. This team will put up a ton of points and Addai will be a big factor in a lot of those points. With Rhodes out of the picture and a very iffy RB depth situation (unless a guy like Dorsey really performs) I see Addai getting more than his fair share of touches this year. Once LT, Jax and LJ are off the board Addai has as much potential as anyone else on the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted July 3, 2007 I'm just thinking the odds in Mathematics that 3 2nd year guys can't get over 1500 total yards and 12ish td's. It's a Vegas Odds thing I guess. I wonder what the odds for all 3 (addai, maroney, bush) to get over 1500 total yards and 12 td's would be? 9/1? something will prevent this - it's MATH 9 td's is 12ish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 3, 2007 9 td's is 12ish? I thought I saw: Addai - 12 td's Maroney - 15 td's Bush - 9 td's I was taking the average of the three? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
