e-factor 13 Posted March 23, 2009 A few observations: -Chris Johnson was taken too early. The fat kid still gets the TDs in 09. Fisher won't fix something that isn't broken. Smart coach. -This is the deepest draft I can remember since I started playing in 2000. Still probably 20 players available that I would feel good about as a 3rd round pick....... -Calvin Johnson was taken too early despite his amazing talent. System will limit him and he could have been had at least 6 spots later. -QBs aren't getting much love. Seems everyone is a load up on RBs and WRs type guy. Drafted for a friend of mine last year when he couldn't make his draft and 5 QBs got picked in the first and another 3 in the 2nd. Needless to say, I wasn't one of those. -Thomas Jones was taken too early. Don't think he repeats 2008 unless they get a QB who keeps the D honest, plus Leon gets more touhes. -This league will be much more enjoyable that my other on-line money league. Seems like a good group of players with a few Jackasses to keep it fun. -LT might have been taken too early. If he's healthy, he will be a steal, if not, a waste. Could have made a safer pick at that spot. That is all............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted March 23, 2009 A few observations: -Chris Johnson was taken too early. The fat kid still gets the TDs in 09. Fisher won't fix something that isn't broken. Smart coach. -This is the deepest draft I can remember since I started playing in 2000. Still probably 20 players available that I would feel good about as a 3rd round pick....... -Calvin Johnson was taken too early despite his amazing talent. System will limit him and he could have been had at least 6 spots later. -QBs aren't getting much love. Seems everyone is a load up on RBs and WRs type guy. Drafted for a friend of mine last year when he couldn't make his draft and 5 QBs got picked in the first and another 3 in the 2nd. Needless to say, I wasn't one of those. -Thomas Jones was taken too early. Don't think he repeats 2008 unless they get a QB who keeps the D honest, plus Leon gets more touhes. -This league will be much more enjoyable that my other on-line money league. Seems like a good group of players with a few Jackasses to keep it fun. -LT might have been taken too early. If he's healthy, he will be a steal, if not, a waste. Could have made a safer pick at that spot. That is all............ I'll add to that. I didn't even want Chris Johnson at 1.10, but I have no problem with taking him at 1.2 as I think there are several players very close this year. I think Calvin Johnson was a good pick, even at 1.4. I think Ronnie Brown, J. Addai, T. Jones, D. Brees, and D. Bowe went too early. I think Steve Smith went too late; I probably should have traded up to take him at 3.2. I agree on the QB thoughts in this league. Smart fantasy drafters here. I agree it should be a good league. YOU took LT. Ha! Good pick though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 23, 2009 A few observations: -Chris Johnson was taken too early. The fat kid still gets the TDs in 09. Fisher won't fix something that isn't broken. Smart coach. -This is the deepest draft I can remember since I started playing in 2000. Still probably 20 players available that I would feel good about as a 3rd round pick....... -Calvin Johnson was taken too early despite his amazing talent. System will limit him and he could have been had at least 6 spots later. -QBs aren't getting much love. Seems everyone is a load up on RBs and WRs type guy. Drafted for a friend of mine last year when he couldn't make his draft and 5 QBs got picked in the first and another 3 in the 2nd. Needless to say, I wasn't one of those. -Thomas Jones was taken too early. Don't think he repeats 2008 unless they get a QB who keeps the D honest, plus Leon gets more touhes. -This league will be much more enjoyable that my other on-line money league. Seems like a good group of players with a few Jackasses to keep it fun. -LT might have been taken too early. If he's healthy, he will be a steal, if not, a waste. Could have made a safer pick at that spot. That is all............ agree with everything except your comments on Calvin Johnson, and Chris Johnson. Calvin Johnson just had 78 rec 1330yds and 12 TDs at 23 yrs old. He did it with poor play at QB, and with other teams defenses knowing he was by far and away the Lions best threat. Teams still couldnt stop him. His ceiling is ridiculous if circumstances improve at QB and the OL. Its possible he could have been had at 1.11, but far from certain. On CJ3...I watched a few Titans games last year. One thing I noticed was that when the Titans fell behind, or were in a close game they seemed to phaze out L.White. I thought this was especially evident in their playoff game vs the Ravens. Not having Haynesworth is going to mean the Titans fall behind in a fair amount of games this year. Add in the fact that KVB hasnt been durable consistantly at DE, and I think the Titans will struggle on defense. In my mind that means a lot more receptions for Chris Johnson this year. I think both of these guys offer tremendous upside, and can see both getting a lot better before they get worse. My top 5 in this format... Calvin Fitz MJD CJ3 AD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Brad 0 Posted March 23, 2009 News flash... Addai at 2:12 was not too high... He's a 3rd year player in a high powered offense, with nobody to share the load with... At year's end I would be happy to revisit this conversation... Ronnie Brown didn't go too high either, and Drew Brees at that spot was not a bad call either... In addition LT went at about the right spot as well... What is a bad call is some owner not to be named has NO running backs yet, good luck this year my friend... I ran down the first 20 picks for a good FF experienced buddy of mine and all he could say was ... Some people here are already in trouble... and I don't think I am one of them... MB ps. Many of you, are putting way to much stock in this whole PPR thing... Running backs still rule the day here and in FF in general, not WR's... Some of you will find that out the hard way... Sooner than later... LBH you are the most guilty party IMO... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Brad 0 Posted March 23, 2009 He is on spring break in Brazil. He did not know how much internet access he would have, so I really don't know. He told Steve about this when the start date was set. My guess is he will find an internet cafe to login from time to time during the week. Just don't know when. Shox your his bro... Log in as him and give him Peyton Manning... and make a pick for him... It will make up for his Thomas Jones mistake... This is sorta silly IMO... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 23, 2009 ... Some of you will find that out the hard way... Sooner than later... LBH you are the most guilty party IMO... nah. I think that stud WRs are the way to go, and ill concede nothing, even if i suck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e-factor 13 Posted March 23, 2009 I ran down the first 20 picks for a good FF experienced buddy of mine and all he could say was ... Some people here are already in trouble... and I don't think I am one of them... MB I don't agree. Looking at the rosters, I don't think anyone has made any major blunders yet, at least not big enough to not be able to right the ship with good drafting the rest of the way. A long ways to go............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Brad 0 Posted March 23, 2009 I don't agree. Looking at the rosters, I don't think anyone has made any major blunders yet, at least not big enough to not be able to right the ship with good drafting the rest of the way. A long ways to go............. Ok, I'll give you that... Just some early draft surprises perhaps is a better way to describe it... MB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shox 0 Posted March 23, 2009 D. Bowe went too early. I understand why some would say I took D. Bowe to early, but I obviously don't think so. First I have to admit I am a Chief homer and season ticket holder so I'm talking a little from my heart. But with that said. 1. D. Bowe is a load to bring down after the catch. He is a big man, really thick. Just to much for DBs to handle. 2. He was #14 in our scoring system last year. If he just caught the easy balls he missed because of lack of consentration (at least a dozen and probably more like 20) he would have easily been in the top 10 and approaching the top 5. 3. He had a QB who was not extremely accurate with the ball and was horrible at throwing the deep ball. Bring in Mr. Cassell and he will get a lot more balls thrown on target and in stride which means more chances for yards after the catch and big plays, as well has a few more deep balls. 4. He has a new head coach who knows what a great passing game is all about. Herm Edwards was absoultely a horrible head coach. He is a really good guy, but he brought down every player on his team and held them back. Do you think Todd Haley will use Bowe in the red zone much more effectively than Herm....I sure do. 5. Bowe's short coming. 1. Focus on looking the ball in. 2. Route Running. Both are fixable and can be improved. Enter Bobby Engram. Engram my very well be the slot guy for the Chiefs, but his most important role will be a mentor to Bowe and showing him how to be professional WR. Put it all together and you have a lot of things which should help Bowe to make another jump up the WR ranks. Top 5 is very, very possible. Oh I almost forgot to mention the 3rd year WR effect. Again just like CJ3 (see below) I could have taken several guys, but nobody clearly stood out above the rest. So I took my guy with upside potential. A few observations: -Chris Johnson was taken too early. The fat kid still gets the TDs in 09. Fisher won't fix something that isn't broken. Smart coach. -This is the deepest draft I can remember since I started playing in 2000. Still probably 20 players available that I would feel good about as a 3rd round pick....... I repectfully disagree. First of all the pick was going to be RB because I was very confident I was going to get two very good WR at 2.10 and 3.2 (and I did). So, after AP went there is just not a clear cut #2 pick. You could have taken a handful of guys right there....Turner, Jackson, DWill, MJD. I almost took MJD but decided to go with the ultra stable and reliable head coach Fisher. Fisher will run the ball and he will get CJ3 his touches because he is a very smart coach. CJ3's value is not in his touchdowns. He was the 10th in our league point system and only had 10 TDs. At 6.6 yards per carry he will get his yardage without a doubt. The Titans have already said they want to get it to him in "open spaces" more this year, which means his catches should jump up into the 60 range maybe. White will probably continue to steal a few TDs, but CJ3 will get his double digit TDs, rack up the yards and get his 50+ catches. I will be very, very happy with that production. You are right this is as deep a draft as I can remember in a long time. More really good players in the NFL than I can ever remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 Sometimes the RB plan works an other times falls flat. I am trying to take the best player there - I love getting sjax at 5 overall as If healthy there isn't a player I would rather own -- Wayne I had as my 5th overall WR - getting him at 3.5 was a bonus and Brees by far the #1 QB - while most folks are anti QB until rounds 5-8 I looked at it as either I coulda taken a chance on Addai or takena player I know will get me solid points every week. IMO it is bets to be safe rounds 1-3 or as safe as possible - you win your league rounds 5-10 anyway -- you can really lose youre league rounds 1-3 though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 Not saying Bowe isn't good - he is ... I just had like 5 - 8 wr's ahead of him.. Honestly with the choice or Smith or Wayne I was SHOXed ya didn't take one of them. I am really glad I didn't trade up as I would of traded up to get R. Wayne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 23, 2009 News flash... Addai at 2:12 was not too high... He's a 3rd year player in a high powered offense, with nobody to share the load with... At year's end I would be happy to revisit this conversation... Ronnie Brown didn't go too high either, and Drew Brees at that spot was not a bad call either... In addition LT went at about the right spot as well... What is a bad call is some owner not to be named has NO running backs yet, good luck this year my friend... I ran down the first 20 picks for a good FF experienced buddy of mine and all he could say was ... Some people here are already in trouble... and I don't think I am one of them... MB ps. Many of you, are putting way to much stock in this whole PPR thing... Running backs still rule the day here and in FF in general, not WR's... Some of you will find that out the hard way... Sooner than later... LBH you are the most guilty party IMO... also want to ask how many of the RBs that were taken in the top 12 of this years draft were taken in the top 12 of last years draft? 3? 4?. I'll have a few decent RBs to trot out there before this thing is over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karmarooster 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Not saying Bowe isn't good - he is ... I just had like 5 - 8 wr's ahead of him.. Honestly with the choice or Smith or Wayne I was SHOXed ya didn't take one of them. I am really glad I didn't trade up as I would of traded up to get R. Wayne. yeah i was pretty shocked smith was still available. i took a look at his numbers last year, and i was blown away... 1421 yards in 14 games? adjust that to 16 games and he's the yardage leader for all WRs. he also got tackled at the 1 yard line like 5 times last year, which resulted in DWill getting many easy TD runs. here's to hoping 90/1500/10TDs from #89 as for bowe, take a look at his reception percentage: 158 targets, 86 receptions. 54.4%... yikes. now that may be partially because of thigpen/huard/croyle talent level, but that can't be entirely it. cassel will be more accurate... but what makes you think he's good at throwing the deep ball? i remember him missing a wide open randy moss last year several times. if he's so good at throwing deep, why did moss stink so bad last year? i'm not saying i don't expect bowe to improve, but i think he could've been had a full round later... on the other hand, he might've been gone. the one thing i gotta say shox is that you take the guy you want and don't look back. respect! also i can't really argue with the CJ4.24 pick. i took him last year in the 8th round and he was money. i do agree he should be more involved in the passing game and maybe catch 50 balls. in college he played slot WR for his 2nd year! i think fisher will get him more involved because the guy is as dangerous as reggie bush in the open field, and probably even faster. one thing that really bummed me was Marion Barber going right before my 2nd round pick. pairing him with MJD would've been sweet cos they both could score 15+ TDs. as for joseph addai, i'm pretty sure both of these statements are wrong: "He's a 3rd year player in a high powered offense, with nobody to share the load with." he's going into his 4th, and there's dominic rhodes who was much more reliable than addai last year, and there's mike hart who never got on track last year but is still there. i wouldn't be surprised if the colts take another RB in the mid-to-late rounds of the draft this year bc they should have had enough of Addai by now. here's his YPC for each of the last 3 years: 4.8, 4.1, 3.5. it seems like he's going down, not up. but then again, all these things could mean that MB got great value for him if he has another 1,000/12/41rec year again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shox 0 Posted March 23, 2009 The reason I did not take Wayne is because he was down last year as the #1 WR. He was a great #2 WR with Harrison on the other side. I'm a little conerned about his ability deliever elite production against #1 CBs. Still a very, very good WR, but he just might be a guy who hangs in that 10-15 range. Steve Smith was very tough to pass up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 The reason I did not take Wayne is because he was down last year as the #1 WR. He was a great #2 WR with Harrison on the other side. I'm a little conerned about his ability deliever elite production against #1 CBs. Still a very, very good WR, but he just might be a guy who hangs in that 10-15 range. Steve Smith was very tough to pass up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So in 2007 when Harrison was injured all season opposing D's didn't consider Wayne the number 1 wr on Indy? He had over 100 rec and 1500 yards a solid amount of TD's that season. IMO Waynes lack of elite production last season was due to Manning not being 100% most of the year. You may be onto something but I like Waynes chances at 90 - 1400 and 8-10 scores. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted March 23, 2009 So in 2007 when Harrison was injured all season opposing D's didn't consider Wayne the number 1 wr on Indy? He had over 100 rec and 1500 yards a solid amount of TD's that season. IMO Waynes lack of elite production last season was due to Manning not being 100% most of the year. You may be onto something but I like Waynes chances at 90 - 1400 and 8-10 scores. I agree, I am a huge fan of Wayne, I would of drafted him in a heartbeat had he fallen to me in the 3rd. This is my first time ever drafting manning, however i think in the 3rd round he can provide some value. I can now ignore the QB position for the rest of the draft, last year he was the #6 QB in fantasy, and that was with having 2 knee surgeries within a month and a half of the season starting. I expect him to improve at least slightly on last season, and that is good enough for me. I am not expecting a complete rebound to elite top 2 status, however i dont need that out of a late 3rd round QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted March 23, 2009 rtsports is blocked at my work...so I drove home to make my pick over lunch (45 minutes round trip). I need to head back to work now, so when it gets to me again I'll just email my pick and post it here too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 I agree, I am a huge fan of Wayne, I would of drafted him in a heartbeat had he fallen to me in the 3rd. This is my first time ever drafting manning, however i think in the 3rd round he can provide some value. I can now ignore the QB position for the rest of the draft, last year he was the #6 QB in fantasy, and that was with having 2 knee surgeries within a month and a half of the season starting. I expect him to improve at least slightly on last season, and that is good enough for me. I am not expecting a complete rebound to elite top 2 status, however i dont need that out of a late 3rd round QB. Wayne isn't flashy pretty much a meat n potatoes selection - thats what I was looking at getting there though - If he was gone Boldin was my guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 All LBH needs now is Warren Moon to QB his team. run n shoot ... 4 wide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wuerffel for MVP 0 Posted March 23, 2009 All LBH needs now is Warren Moon to QB his team. run n shoot ... 4 wide. I'm pleased to be announce that I will be the starting RB for LBH's team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted March 23, 2009 rtsports is blocked at my work...so I drove home to make my pick over lunch (45 minutes round trip). I need to head back to work now, so when it gets to me again I'll just email my pick and post it here too. you are up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pleased to be announce that I will be the starting RB for LBH's team. Joe Montana is curently considering making a comeback to QB that team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 23, 2009 I just couldnt find a RB I liked more than Welker/Royal. Its going to be the spread formation for team LBH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wuerffel for MVP 0 Posted March 23, 2009 I just couldnt find a RB I liked more than Welker/Royal. Its going to be the spread formation for team LBH Can't say I blame you, I was hoping one of those guys fell to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted March 23, 2009 pfft. I could scrape WRs in rounds 20+ and off the waiver wire week to week that outproduce those guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singman2 0 Posted March 23, 2009 So where is mad Brad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted March 23, 2009 I got my boy Leon Washington. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 23, 2009 I got my boy Leon Washington. ballsy pick there. He has the talent, and they are taking him off returns, so maybe he can start getting more time on the field with the offense. The Jets would be crazy not to feature him more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,620 Posted March 23, 2009 ballsy pick there. He has the talent, and they are taking him off returns, so maybe he can start getting more time on the field with the offense. The Jets would be crazy not to feature him more They have a new coaching staff with a defensive minded coach who is going to want to control the clock, and they have an above average interior O-line. I think a good back to compare him to is FWP, he weighs more than FWP and is 2" shorter than FWP. I think the stouter build is fine for RB's. Leon Washington is slightly quicker than FWP as well. I think has a good shot at being a 1400 total yard a year back for 3 years, and i think worst case is he is going to be a lesser part of RBBC, but the one that gets receptions. In PPR this last year he was the 26th ranked RB on 123 touches total. He had 77 returns as well last season, and his return workload is supposed to be reduced by a fair bit. I think he has a worst case scenario of 150 touches on offense, and that means even if his yards per touch go down he would still stay at that borderline #2/3 RB level. He has 25 pounds and 1" on sproles for those who want to compare them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 23, 2009 Frenchie !!! oui oui oui Reggie wil get his receptions but Frenchie wil also get his share as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted March 23, 2009 Frenchie !!! oui oui oui Reggie wil get his receptions but Frenchie wil also get his share as well. I thought about taking Frenchie! Nice pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shox 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Frenchie !!! oui oui oui Reggie wil get his receptions but Frenchie wil also get his share as well. Kind of surprised at this one. I thought there was better picks available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wuerffel for MVP 0 Posted March 24, 2009 I won't be making my picks tonight. I gotta get some sleep. I can't access the site at work either so I likely won't make my picks until tomorrow afternoon. I will be able to access emails, however, and am interested in trading down with my 5.1 pick, so send me the offers at my email address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Brad 0 Posted March 24, 2009 I won't be making my picks tonight. I gotta get some sleep. I can't access the site at work either so I likely won't make my picks until tomorrow afternoon. I will be able to access emails, however, and am interested in trading down with my 5.1 pick, so send me the offers at my email address. Just draft wuss boy MBMBMBMBMBMB LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 24, 2009 it was a coin toss - frenchie or Witten I chose the rb - nice pick E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e-factor 13 Posted March 24, 2009 it was a coin toss - frenchie or Witten I chose the rb - nice pick E Thanks. Tired of playing musical TEs. Just want someone to plug in every week and with Owens gone, he should be good for close to 100 catches this year. Really............ I don't think I have started a TE run since Shockeys 2nd year.............. Good pick with Thomas. He looked very good after he took over the lead back role last year. Will be interesting to see how NO plays it with Thomas and Bush............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 24, 2009 Horny Toads sent his 2 picks in to steve so they should be known soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singman2 0 Posted March 24, 2009 Karma drafted Knowshon Moreno. I drafted Moran Norris in his place. Once the rookies are added to the rtsports database I will make the change. Knowshon Moreno is off the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted March 24, 2009 what is skids doing in here: 7 Members: jerryskids, The Moz, Gepetto, Little Big Head, karmarooster, Shox, singman2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted March 24, 2009 what is skids doing in here: 7 Members: jerryskids, The Moz, Gepetto, Little Big Head, karmarooster, Shox, singman2 Maybe the Sanctuary kicked him out and he's trying to latch on to a new club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
