***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[supermike80 1,600]

Ancient Egypt had slaves too.

 

So did Rome, Greece etc. Slaves have been a part of most every civilization up until recently.

Oh and guess what? they weren't black.

[kutulu 1,625]

Yeah, but the Black Rock is from the 1800s. Most of the slaves from that era would be black.

 

Has Richard definitely been connected to the Black Rock ship?

[Vikings4ever 538]

Has Richard definitely been connected to the Black Rock ship?

No, it's all been speculation.

[pimptastic69 0]

No, it's all been speculation.

 

I don't think Richard is connected to the Black Rock. I think MIB's slave comment was referring to Richard being Jacob's beeotch for hundreds (or thousands) of years. Now that Jacob is supposedly dead, Richard is free from doing Jacob's bidding.

[kutulu 1,625]

I don't think Richard is connected to the Black Rock. I think MIB's slave comment was referring to Richard being Jacob's beeotch for hundreds (or thousands) of years. Now that Jacob is supposedly dead, Richard is free from doing Jacob's bidding.

 

That's how I took it.

[tikigods 76]

Christ v. Anti-Christ?

[kutulu 1,625]

Christ v. Anti-Christ?

 

I've read one or two articles where some people think the fake Locke could be Lucifer, the fallen Angel and the "home" he speaks of wanted to get back to is Heaven.

[pimptastic69 0]

I've read one or two articles where some people think the fake Locke could be Lucifer, the fallen Angel and the "home" he speaks of wanted to get back to is Heaven.

 

It does fit, but it would be a huge dissapointment if that were the case. That story has already been told. I want to see something different.

[tikigods 76]

I've read one or two articles where some people think the fake Locke could be Lucifer, the fallen Angel and the "home" he speaks of wanted to get back to is Heaven.

 

This is kind of where I think they're going.

[The Moz 69]

Not certain yet if the Temple is his home - or if he needs to get to the temple to get home.

[kutulu 1,625]

I think I read Desmond had this book on the plane, but I haven't got around to the rewatch, yet.

 

Another thing about Desmond on the plane that I did not notice, but read about...apparently Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane. Again, haven't watched it again yet to confirm, but if correct would this mean he married Penny in this different timeline/reality or maybe he tied the knot with someone other than Penny...

[tikigods 76]

Another thing about Desmond on the plane that I did not notice, but read about...apparently Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane. Again, haven't watched it again yet to confirm, but if correct would this mean he married Penny in this different timeline/reality or maybe he tied the knot with someone other than Penny...

 

It's just a quick flash but yes he is wearing a wedding ring.

[RicemanX 20]

wheres phillys writeup?

[kutulu 1,625]

wheres phillys writeup?

 

He's about half way done. He just went out to score a six pack of mouthwash for a cheap buzz down the stretch.

[tikigods 76]

He's about half way done. He just went out to score a six pack of mouthwash for a cheap buzz down the stretch.

 

He doesn't make his boyfriend run errands?

[kutulu 1,625]

He doesn't make his boyfriend run errands?

 

They are on a break while SUX looks for a job.

[tikigods 76]

They are on a break while SUX looks for a job.

 

SUX cleans his pipes?

[Lackman 0]

wheres phillys writeup?

 

philly plans to do them on weekends, when he has the time to really think things through. And get really drunk.

 

Double episode will take twice the time too.

[kutulu 1,625]

Interview with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof

 

Potential storytelling spoilers.

 

Warning, SPOILERS ahead. If you haven’t seen the season premiere of Lost yet, you might not want to continue past the jump yet. Lost fans who have now seen the premiere can read ahead for some explanation from Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. (Comments are likely to be full of spoilers also, you’ve been warned again.)

[nobody 2,469]

I don't think Richard is connected to the Black Rock. I think MIB's slave comment was referring to Richard being Jacob's beeotch for hundreds (or thousands) of years. Now that Jacob is supposedly dead, Richard is free from doing Jacob's bidding.

 

 

If that's what he meant, I'll stop doing my neighbor's wife

for like a week

[Super Cubs 152]

I think it was season 4 there was something about Desmonds dreams does anyone remember how this worked? Not the part about seeing Charlie die, but did'nt he contact Penny in his dream?

[CantTouchThis 23]

I think it was season 4 there was something about Desmonds dreams does anyone remember how this worked? Not the part about seeing Charlie die, but did'nt he contact Penny in his dream?

 

Yeah, his consciousness kept going from 1996 to 2004 when he was on the copter because of the "side effects". He needed to contact his constant, Penny, to put his consciousness back in place.

[Lackman 0]

6.1 LA X: Part One

 

Well, what can I possibly say? LOST had about 9 months to figure out a way to deliver up to our expectations, and I think they did a hell of a job in doing jut that. From what I understand, they increased their audience maybe 50% for this season opener from last year. Yes, lots of folks have been busy on hulu or DVDs to get caught up before Season 6. And I can’t blame them. Early on, I have to say that if Terry O’Quinn doesn’t win an Emmy for his multiple character portrayal on this show, the system is broken. Sure, we can give awards to sh!!t like Two and a Half Men or Glee or and most anything else network TV airs, but I’ve loved everything I’ve seen from Terry O’Quinn. He’s been a staple in the X Files universe, the second best drama ever made. He was a major player in Millennium, a vastly underrated spinoff from X Files, the godfather to any profiler series on the air since, and still the best of its kind. Millennium is just about as good as X Files, but much darker. He was a star in Harsh Realm, only 9 episodes deep, which if you were to chop that show off at the knees, episode 8 would have been a good place to stop. ‘ole Ter was also on 3 episodes of X Files and in the X Files first movie. He’s been around. And between him and Michael Emerson as Ben, this show boasts the two finest drama actors on TV today. Holy sh!!t, these guys are fantastic. Locke and MIB were acting their asses off, and they are the same guy. Focking amazing. So, where to begin? Most of you have been pushing your theories. My turn. As always, I avoid spoilers, and try to stay away from other people’s write-ups until I get my stuff posted.

 

The LOST co-executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have gone on record saying that there will be no alternate time lines in this series. So, this week must have been confusing for the literalists out there. Seems like these guys may have been honest after all. What we have here are dual timelines. I don’t think they would go to so much trouble to show us what would have happened if the plane never crashed and still continue the complicated story line of Jacob and MIB without a proper resolution, so I have to accept at this time dual realities. If you have narrow stream flowing, literally a stream in the woods, then drop a huge rock in the middle of it, a rock bigger than the stream itself, there is a possibility that the stream will split in two separate forks, and go in two entirely different directions around the boulder. Doesn’t mean that one stream is present reality and the other is the alternate time line. It just means that both forks exist, and both are as equally real. It also doesn’t mean that at some point both forks can’t merge to become one stream again, on the other side of the boulder. Does this end my multiple loop theory. Not at all. This was an explanation for Seasons 1-5. I was expecting Season 6 to be anything goes. As the LAX fork continues, we see many, many differences in details from Season One’s Oceanic 815. Changes have certainly happened, and this time they are blatantly obvious. But a reset has happened, as expected. The Losties land in Los Angeles. What we didn’t anticipate was that the bomb most likely triggered a split in the time stream, and we have that reset, but we also have the Losties in 2007, because Jacob still needs them, and they cannot leave. Nothing is that simple, is it? If Michael can’t kill himself, and certain other events have to happen, the Losties need to remain on the island as well. I might speculate at this point, and it’s just speculation, that the Loop is a 3 year time period. Sept 2004, add in 3 years of Dharma time that Sawyer and company spent on the island and the Oceanic 6 spent off the island, and the bomb goes off, knocking everybody alive back to 2004. But now we have 2004 and 2007, the time of Oceanic 815’s crash and the time of Jacob’s death. A three year loop. But I’m just speculating. Let’s try to deal in facts. If I remember to stick to this plan.

 

We know things are different right off the bat when he see Jack on the Oceanic plane, different haircut, and Cindy only give the Doc ONE liquor bottle, not two. As you might recall, in Season One, Jack poured one bottle into his drink, and saved a bottle for Kate to wash his wound before sewing him back up, when Jack gave his lame count to 5 speech. Tables are turned, as Rose is now spending time comforting Jack during the turbulence. Actually, Rose and Bernard spent the whole LAX flight being a bit too snarky, smirky, and generally too suspicious for my taste. They know something, their memories may be stronger than Doctor Doofus. I missed you Schmoopie. No, I missed you more, Schmoopie. Rose and Bernard are maggots. Jack walks into a bathroom, looks into a mirror, and says "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”, at which point I throw my sofa out my living room window. But he also has a cut on this neck. I guess some vampire tried to bite him, but must have been allergic to stupid. Desmond is on the plane, which is very unexpected. The mention of the word “brother” triggers a recollection in Jack, who queries Desmond if they have met before. Another notable thing about this scene is that Desmond is flashing what appears to be a wedding ring. There is zero way of knowing who he might be married to. Maybe Penny, maybe the girl he was engaged to before running off and joining the monastery, or somebody else. The plane is flying over the ocean, and going beneath the waves, we encounter schools of fish, sunken houses that look like Dharma houses, a swing set, a shark with the Dharma logo, and the statue foot. So, the island did exist, Dharma on the island existed, the statue existed, yet the island is under water and the Losties are on Oceanic 815. Do we assume that the bomb did this? No necessarily. A bomb generally is not powerful enough to sink an island. Sure, this island was chock full of negatively charged exotic energy. But sinking that much mass? If you have that much force, why are the houses intact and not just a pile of wood? No, I’m not ready to say the bomb did it. After all, you blow up the island, then how do you build the Swan to get the Losties to crash on the island so that they can time jump to blow up the island. It’s a paradox. It does not make sense. For all we know, this island under the sea might be the last scene of the last episode of LOST. We saw that the Daniel Faraday scene in the Season 5 opener actually took place near the end of Season 5. But the island did exist. That is about the only solid takeaway.

 

Kate revives while in a tree, and much to my dismay, did not fall and break her neck. This is reminiscent of Bernard landing in a tree during the Tailies original crash. She is temporarily deaf, instantly clueing us in that a bomb did indeed explode. The problem is that Kate and Miles are the first ones that wake up, so the others are not necessarily clued into the bomb aftershock. We all realize at the same time that they have been tossed into a time after Desmond, Locke, and Eko blew up the Swan hatch. It is 2007, the precise same time that Ajira landed and MIB orchestrated the stabbing of Jacob. So it’s the future for Sawyer, Jin, and Miles, and the present for Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Ben, Locke, Sun, Frank. Yes, indeed, the Swan hatch was built, even after a hydrogen bomb detonation. Need more info on this one, as it makes my head hurt. Kate sees both Jack and Sawyer passed out, and goes to Jack first. Well, her pea brain finally chose between the two, probably after she saw Sawyer screaming NO!!!! when Juliet got sucked down the shaft. Sawyer kicks Jack in the head and knocks him into the Swan hole. I laughed. S: You were wrong!!! Well, technically, Daniel is the one to blame. Jack simply took the baton from him and kept running with it, right into that painting on the side of the mountain like Wile E Coyote. And also the fact that the plane did not crash in one of the dual realities. S: you blew us back to where we started. This is true, other than a lot, a hell of a lot of people are dead now, including the object of Sawyer’s madness, Juliet. Back on the plane, Kate steals Jack’s pen when exiting the bathroom. Come on, we’ve seen enough slight of hand to pick up on that one right away. Doc Arts is back, and peppering Colonel Hurley with questions about his fried chicken empire. Hurley tells Sawyer that he won the lottery, is the luckiest person in the world and that nothing bad ever happens to him. Sawyer licks his lips, and already has decided which con to pull on Hurley. On the island, Hurley is lamenting how the day turned to night in a second. Um, dude, have you been seeing what the TV viewer has been watching for 5 seasons? This happens to you all the time. Oh, yeah. You don’t see those loops, do you? Sayid is still bleeding out faster than a Dexter victim, and Juliet makes some indication that she is still alive. Sayid is feeling repentant, a lesson not learned by Mr Eko. Sayid is giving a deathbed confession, concerned that wherever he goes upon death, it won’t be pleasant. Yes, he’s going to inner city Detroit. The horror. Jacob shows up to talk to Hurley.

 

The familiar bossy Jin and meek Sun from Season One are back, or at least that is the way we perceived them back then. This will not end well. The Locke and Boone scene was a nice touch. It was as if they were back on the island again, in a familiar rhythm of dialogue. Shannon didn’t appear, staying back in Australia with her abusive boyfriend instead of sleeping with her step brother and being on the plane. Well, those are certainly changes. Her seat was empty, as Boone, empty, Neil “Frogurt”, and Locke were in the same row. Locke lies about going on a walkabout. Please, don’t tell me anybody believed his bullsh!t. I’ve seen Survivorman and Man vs Wild. Bear Grylls had to resort to extremes in Australia, as I think he drank his own piss there due to lack of water. And that guy is a professional. Locke couldn’t survive in the airport terminal for 10 days with his dead legs. Of course he is paralyzed. At the foot, Ben is in state of shock. Man In Black orders him to go fetch Richard. Richard is scolding the new guys as he explains that Jacob has to invite you in for an audience. Ben carries out MIB lies and tells Richard that John/MIB wants to talk to him. Richard drags Ben over and shows him Locke’s dead body.

 

The Losties act impulsively and start to dig out Juliet while ignoring Sayid’s death plight. Sayid gets no respect. Jacob comes out of the jungle to talk to Hurley. He doesn’t act cryptically at all. Jin won’t see him because Jacob is dead. In the past, it might taken us 10 episodes to find out a fact like that. Nope, the writers have to be more direct as often as they can. Since Hurley can talk to the dead, for real, he is going to be the interpreter for Jacob, and it’s a good thing he doesn’t just speak Japanese. Take Sayid to the Temple. Very goofy that the place of death for the French is the way to life for Iraqis. Bring the guitar case. In the Swan ditch, Sawyer is wild eyed, foaming at the mouth, and tossing out death threats. And yet, I still feel he is still more rational than Chef Gordon Ramsey after you serve him a bad risotto. Charlie is unresponsive on the plane in the bathroom. Must have taken a dump that made him pass out from the strain. Fiber, dude, fiber. And Jamie Lee Curtis is pushing some kind of chic yogurt that I think makes men pregnant, but I wasn’t paying attention. When did her hair turn so gray?

 

Charlie isn’t breathing, and Jack needs something sharp. Well, since Kate stole his pen, this gets tricky. Um, not really. You just served the plane a bunch of meals with actual silverware. Can somebody grab a fork or a knife? Instead Jack jams his fist into Charlie’s mouth. Ew. Jack first saved Charlie’s life when he and Kate cut him down from a noose that Ethan put him into, another situation where Charlie could not breathe. Jack pulls a bag of heroin the size of a Tic Tac out of Charlie’s throat. Charlie: Am I alive? And he sounds upset that he is. Sure, if his back story remains the same, his musical comeback seems to be over, he is a junkie, and has no future to speak of. His life sucks. But even if he has a death wish, or even if he has a recollection of having a death wish on the island, how does he end up with heroin in his throat. In the original pilot, he did a little on his gums, then hid the rest in his shoe. He couldn’t do it again? He decided to swallow it? Not even flush it? But swallow it? Or did it get in his throat some other way? It’s a change from the previous plane version that we saw, but it’s a really dumb Charlie version. Sawyer reaches a dying Juliet. She is upset. J: It didn’t work; we are still on the island; I hit the bomb; I wanted you to go home. The problem with Juliet’s plan is that even if the bomb thing worked, she would have been in the Dharma barracks in 2004, being sexually harassed by Ben, still having an affair with Goodwin, and still trying to get off the island. But she would be on the island nonetheless. Her plan was either completely selfless to allow Sawyer a fresh start off island, or completely selfish because she couldn’t bare the thought of Sawyer hooking up with Kate again. Although, that would be just fine and dandy with Kate, as she would most likely have sex with Sawyer on top of Juliet’s grave. Hurley hatches the Temple plan, and I’m just amazed that after so many years, Jack has the audacity to ask “Who’s Jacob/”. Jumping Jehosophat, what do you people talk about when you get together? Who your favorite Oceanic 6 is? Bram decides that it’s better to have a bad plan than to have no plan at all. He is on the fast track to be in charge of NBC late night programming. He and a couple of buddies grab Ben and go inside the foot. MIB confronts the Bram Team as Jacob’s bodyguards, and that since Jacob is dead, they were free to get on with their lives and leave. They were free. Here is an instance where the concept of free will/choice rears its ugly head, a major point of contention with Jacob/MIB. Also, it seemed like MIB couldn’t really do any harm to these dopes unless he was provoked. Once they shot at him, all hell broke loose. MIB seemingly disappears, and some kind of small object is left behind in the sand, and that object I have yet to identify. Then you hear the familiar rattling and whooting and cranking as Smokie enters the chamber. He proceeds to clobber Bram and his stooges with a righteous clobbering. Smokie rules. Bram surrounds himself with an ash circle, which stops MIB for about 2 seconds, but after getting some rocks to knock him out of his circle like some silly pool ball, Bram gets a clobbering too. Ben walks around like a confused tourist in Harlem, and eventually sees MIB again. “I’m sorry you had to see me like that.” On face value, I suppose most people will simply accept that MIB is the Smoke Monster. I’m not so ready to accept it. First of all, last season, Smokie was Christian in the Processing cabin when Sun and Frank paddled to the island. But at the same time, Locke/MIB was on the Hydra island, entertaining Ben and Caesar and Ilana. So, are we to blindly accept that MIB can be in two places at once? When Ben went to be judged by Smokie, Locke/MIB went to find some rope after Ben fell to the lower chamber. But after MIB disappeared, Smokie appeared seconds later from a lower, lower chamber through a vent. That was awfully fast to get from one spot to another, but barely possible. I will admit that it’s hard to see how Smokie got inside the foot unless he was MIB, but that two places at once thing really, really bothers me. Plus, does MIB need to tell Ben the truth? He could be further manipulating Ben, as he has been doing for a while now. There is no need to tell the truth. Do we simply accept this? MIB seemed genuinely surprised when Ben told him that Ben had to do everything John Locke told him to do. Pretending to be surprised, or genuinely surprised? Sigh. I’m a stickler for details. Such as Ben was able to summon the Smoke monster from the Barracks. Really? The Others can summon Smokie, at their whim, and the MIB is at their beck and call?

 

Sawyer digs out Juliet. Oh my God, they’ve killed Juliet!!! Those basterds!!! Yes, Juliet is the new Kenny from South Park. The show keeps bringing her back, and keeps killing her. Two shows in a row. That’s got to be some kind of record. And it’s not like people don’t get better on the island. Charlie survived dying from a hanging. Mikhail at the pylons. Naomi got better with that punctured lung. Rose beat cancer. I look forward to next episode, when zombie Juliet, Nikki, and Paulo storm the Temple. And Juliet dies again. Before Juliet died, she needed to tell Sawyer something. Probably along the lines of “Don’t bury me, because there is a wicked cool spring at the Temple that could cure me…” or “paralyzed” or something silly like that. Death Charlie informs us that he was supposed to die. Charlie can sense between both timelines very clearly that he is living on borrowed time. A universe course correction will most likely kill him soon enough. That’s probably the fate of any dead people we saw on the plane. Final Destination movie plot; you can’t keep cheating death, as the Grim Reaper will hunt you down like the focking college you graduated from looking for donations. I changed addresses 11 times in 8 years. Nobody could find me. A day after I moved in, my university called me to see if I’ve settled in OK. They shall never see a penny from me. Penny, I’ve missed ya, brother. Mother fockers could find probably Bin Laden in 4 days. No matter how many times I’ve wished death on their children, they won’t take me off their phone list. Desmond disappears from the plane. Now, I doubt Jack can all of the sudden can see or talk to the dead like Miles or Hurley. It’s not something that happens suddenly. But I would not be surprised if Desmond can now PHYSICALLY can bounce between time periods, such as the dual realities we are in right now. Remember, he is extraordinarily special in space time. Desmond might think he is done with the island, but the island is not through with him. I don’t believe a word coming out of Rose’s mouth. We didn’t see anyone, we were asleep. Fock that. You’re retired and don’t want to get involved anymore. You saw him disappear. Captain Norris, the pilot from the pilot episode (see how I did that?) announces they are about to land. Sayid looks over his passport, and I swear that it says that Sayid is from Iran. Geez, talk about loops. He is all of the sudden Iranian and not Iraqi. His nationality changed? They land. Locke is still wheelchair bound.

 

Let’s take a second to review the dead people we saw in LAX LOST, pending someone I can’t think of or someone I completely overlooked or don't care about. Doc Artz, Charlie, Neil “Frogurt”, Boone, John Locke.

 

We did not see anywhere on the island or plane any dead background Others, dead background Freighters, dead background French, Shannon, Daniel, Charlotte, Mr Eko, Nikki, Paulo, Michael, Libby, Ana Lucia, Alex, Rousseau, Karl, Christian. I guess Dead is Dead.

[Lackman 0]

6.2 LA X: Part Two

 

As I was wading through the replay of the two season opening episodes on the On Demand option on Comcast cable, I was harshly reminded of the perils of rewatching episodes of this show and being at the mercy of programming. The commercials. It’s not that there are many commercials, much fewer than the original LOST broadcasts on ABC. But it’s the same focking commercials, over and over and over again. The loops are out to get me. Apparently, there is some stupid romantic comedy, When in Rome, for which I saw no less than 30 commercials for in a span of an hour and a half. I want nothing more than to have these people gathered in a wedding hall, dancing and laughing and partying and having their inane conversations. Little do they know that a tractor trailer is speeding down the road, and the driver is so busy texting pictures of his genitals to some waitress he met the other day, and promptly loses control of the vehicle. The gasoline truck plows right into the wedding reception, killing hundreds, wounding everybody else. The rest of the movie is a clinical exercise in putting out the fire, identifying bodies and random appendages, leading to autopsies and many, many burial services.

 

Hurley has taken off his Dharma pajamas and is sporting a very red shirt. Oh, oh. You know what that means. Hurley is probably going to die soon. I say probably, because Cuse and Lindelof promised that Hurley would never be killed during the series. But I don’t trust them entirely, like the MIB. Most of the Losties have now cast aside their Dharma gear. Sawyer has made up his mind to bury Juliet, and when Kate offers her assistance, Sawyer tells her to beat it and that he no intention of following them afterwards and still manages to mix in a pissed off stare at Jack. Sawyer has finally had enough crap from Jack and Kate. As Sayid is taken to the Temple wall, I have to wonder how a structure so big, surrounding a sizable piece of land, was not discovered or known about by anyone but Jin or Rousseau, outside of the Others. I mean, the island isn’t that big where after months of wandering around, you would think somebody would have accidently found the Temple walls and wondered what it could be. Same goes for Dharma. They must have known about the Temple. I guess this had to be part of their truce agreement with the Others, that the Temple was off limits. They enter the tunnels, and find Montand of the Frenchies, still missing an arm. Did Ben notice this guy when they went into the tunnels earlier? Probably didn’t care. They carefully maneuver around the Ben hole, hear whispers, and Kate Jack Hurley Jin Sayid are captured. So, the Others, sworn followers of Jacob, are sharing the same tunnel as the Smoke Monster, which may or may not be MIB. How does this make sense?

 

The marshal escorts Kate to the bathroom. Of course, Kate starts to use her stolen Jack pen to try to free herself from the handcuffs. The marshal inexplicably chooses this moment to ignore his prisoner, one that has escaped his clutches time and time again, has called him on the phone to mock him, a very prized prisoner that the marshal has been obsessed with. He turns to wash his face, in effect turning his back to the prisoner. He makes no effort to take a few steps back to see if Kate is actually using the toilet by seeing her pants around her ankles, which would be difficult to pull down and pull up in handcuffs to begin with. Nope, the marshal is oblivious. Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention him in the last episode diatribe that he is dead on the island and alive on the plane now, which is unexpected. Finally, when marshal dumdum realizes something fishy is going on after stepping on a pen spring, he draws his gun. Um, no. Well, he at least gets out of the way of a possible swinging door to confront his prisoner. Um, no. He actually put his head up against the stall door. This is the most idiotic officer of the law I’ve ever seen. Roscoe P Coltrane could teach you a few lessons. As Kate kicks open the door and knocks out marshal pudding for brains, I groan. Kate is going to run again, and I just want her to run in front of a tractor trailer. Sawyer gives Kate a bit of an assist in the elevator in avoiding security. One crook helping another crook. Juliet is buried, and Sawyer demands Miles to do his ghost whispering thing. Sawyer wants to be helpful, so he throws Miles face first onto the grave. I have no idea why Miles says “it doesn’t work that way” other than for dramatic effect. Of course it works that way. We’ve seen Miles talk to Naomi, Karl, Rousseau and many others after they recently passed away. If you recall….

Season Six Preview: A Look Back on Season Five Part Two

“My best guess is that Miles and Smokie have similar abilities.”

This was a reference to Miles’ ability to read the minds of the dead, scanning their memories and thoughts. Smokie is able to scan the minds of the dead too, as it is able to manifest itself to mirror the thoughts and mannerisms of such characters. Although Miles can’t manifest, as far as we know, when Miles is trying to read Juliet’s dead mind, we can hear a very distinct yet very quick burst of noise that is exactly the same as Smokie makes when it appears. A clacking or mechanical whirring noise, something ratcheting up, and Miles suddenly is able to listen to Juliet. “It worked!!” Sawyer: what worked? Well, what Sawyer fails to realize is among the very first things Juliet said after Sawyer reached her in the Swan ditch is “it didn’t work”. Here, Juliet is directly contradicting that conclusion. The lingering questions are how did Juliet conclude “it worked” before dying, as this was the important thing she was trying to tell Sawyer. Has she crossed over into some other plane of existence where she is alive and well and more than happy to dispense nuggets like this to cheer up Sawyer, which it didn’t. Sawyer is too full of rage to recognize what just happened. The Other Others take the tunnel explorers through what appears to be shoddy cellar doors and bring them into the presence of The Temple. Sure, I could go off on a riff about how awful Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom movie was, because it did suck ass. But instead, let’s focus on something I’ve been ranting like a lunatic about for 3 or 4 years now. There was no way Ben’s Others could have kidnapped Tailies on the first night on the island. Goodwin had yet to compile his list. Therefore, I’ve been convinced of Other Others on the island, people working independent of the Others. And here they are, semi independent, the hardcore Other Others, staunch followers of Jacob. But this isn’t the first time we’ve seen them. When Jin and Mr Eko were hiding in the bushes in Season Two, these dirty, barefoot ragamuffins walked by, dragging a teddy bear behind them. When the ridiculous Jack tattoo episode was careening out of control and finding it’s way into my Hate Locker, some of these folks showed up for Juliet’s trial for shooting Pickett and allowing Kate and Sawyer escape the Hydra island. But Cindy and the kids looked cleaned up and downright spiffy. Not now. They look worse than homeless.

 

Jack is called to the courtesy desk. Not only did Christian’s coffin not make it onto the plane, the airline has no idea where it is. It’s simple competence like this that instills confidence in passengers that any terrorist with a bomb will get caught every time and there is no threat of your plane ever exploding. I suppose Christian didn’t make the reset, like Shannon and the rest that are missing. Neither MIB nor Jacob need Christian anymore; his usefulness is gone. Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Jin are confronted by two people for which we have no names. It’s bad enough I have to type Man in Black, but know I have to figure out what to call these two clowns for now. Fine. Iron Chef and John Lennon. Cindy vouches for the prisoners, saying they were on the first plane with her. Now, by “first” plane, is Cindy referring to Oceanic 815 and Ajira 316 as two planes that reached the island although Ajira is technically on Hydra island, or the first Oceanic loop and that they were on the first iteration? Iron Chef says to shoot them. Well, these Others are a bunch of thugs with a debilitating lack of imagination. When Ben told Alex, Karl, and Rousseau to head to the Temple, he knew they would kill Karl and Danielle. But Ben was also right in saying it was the last safe place left on the island for Alex. But, does this mean that Ben could boss around Iron Chef? The Chef can understand English, but doesn’t speak it. He uses John Lennon to translate. What a stupid plot point. Hurley name drops Jacob and then brings out the guitar case for show and tell. Inside is a rather large wooden Ankh, a symbol of key to life or eternal life in ancient Egyptian culture. The Iron Chef instinctively raises his hand to touch the Ankh necklace he has around his neck. He cracks the guitar case symbol open, and there is a paper within, a name list. The prisoners rattle off their names as if they were at a meet and greet. If your friend Sayid dies, we are all in a lot of trouble.

 

Jin is held up in customs with a watch and a huge wad of cash. Maybe, just maybe, Jin was planning on leaving Sun, a twist from what happened last time. Nah. You have to assume the back stories are still somewhat consistent, but once on the plane, all bets are off. Thus far, Hurley being lucky is the only significant change that I’ve seen from the characters. Sun has a chance to save Jin a boatload of problems by speaking some English. Although the Sun we’ve come to know would be able to handle such a situation without batting an eye, this unveil version of Sun is still hesitating in trying to destroy Jin’s life completely. They are inside the Temple. The spring water is looking murky. Murky from being red. Red, most likely due to the death of Jacob, and his blood is flowing through this facsimile to the Holy Grail, a healer of all physical human maladies. The Iron Chef cuts his hand, dips it into the water, and is surprised to see that his hand did not heal. Well, as surprised as that guy gets, because he doesn’t seem to change his expression much. It fluctuates between distain, disgust, and snarky. Jack takes the blame for Sayid’s condition. Jack has certainly been humble and apologetic lately. Considering how much he has bungled so far, he has a lot more of the same in the future. There are risks. Jack: no problem. They remove the Dharma wear from Sayid, wasting precious seconds for a befuddling wardrobe adjustment. Still, not as bad as the Losties wasting an hour trying to rescue Juliet while Sayid was bleeding out. The Others hold Sayid under water while using an egg timer so that they could know exactly the moment when he was cooked. He is a chef, after all. He can also kick some ass as he easily deflects Jack’s attempt to do some brawling. Sayid drowns, and is carried out of the water in a pose similar to Jesus Christ on the cross. Which is a foreshadowing of a resurrection. Jack is not willing to simply accept that Sayid is dead, and recreates the Charlie hanging scene. When they cut down Charlie in Season One, Jack was giving CPR for a while and then started clobbering Charlie on the chest, caving in all his ribs and collapsing every internal organ while trying to get his heart beating. Kate told him to stop, but Jack kept going. So, now Jack is giving Sayid CPR, Kate tells him to stop, and Jack…stops. Well, that ended up a bit different.

 

Kate is making her escape to the cab stand, but Neil “Frogurt” yells at her and tells her that there is a line. Geez, Neil has gotten more exposure in this episode than in the entire series up to this point. All he was known for was yelling at Bernard after a time jump and then getting hit in the chest with a flaming arrow. In the background, Hurley is talking business, about expanding his franchises into Australia and the Tustin inventory report. Previously, on LOST, we found out that Hurley owned the box company in Tustin that Locke used to work for, and most likely currently works for. Kate jumps into the same cab as Claire, pulls out a gun, and tells the driver to go. I didn’t notice whether Claire was 8 months pregnant or not, as the camera never panned down below her neck, but if she is, then Kate just can’t stop herself from kidnapping Aaron every chance she gets. Cindy and the two brats from the Tail section Zack and Emma bring some gruel for Jack Twist and the rest of the orphans. Sawyer and Miles are added to the mix, as they were captured by the Others, but not until Sawyer took out 4 of them and then get bashed in the head with a rock. Considering how well the Others are in sneaking around and grabbing people, taking out that many is fairly impressive. Sawyer has turned his insanity into productive powers. Hurley gains an exclusive interview with the bonsai trimming Iron Chef.

We get it. He’s Japanese. I suppose we will be seeing some sushi and origami any moment now for even more reinforcement. IC: what did Jacob tell you? H: he told me to come here, save Sayid. The less than humble Iron Chef apparently doesn’t like the taste of English on his tongue. Well, Mr Self Important, Hurley is going to put you in your place. H: Jacob’s dead. Panic in the streets. Get to your posts. Pour ash around the Temple. Send a rocket warning. Steal a TV from Best Buy. Grab a tub full of Heinekens. Set a cop car on fire. Take a pillow, put it over the face of your buddy until he stops breathing, toss a sink out the window, and escape the facility. There’s a tiger in the bathroom and Mike Tyson isn’t going to like that at all. It’s to keep “him” out, and by him they mean MIB. Ben has some questions for the MIB. What are you? You’re the monster? You used me to kill Jacob? This puts Ben in an awkward position, as he is the one that is typically manipulating. Actually, it’s been awkward for Ben since he came back to the island. Almost like a reset, but the opposite is true for Ben, like with Hurley being lucky, but Ben is now a flunky. Therefore Ben is in a state of shock and awe. MIB goes on a rant about John Locke. The last thought in Locke’s head before he died was “I don’t understand….” John was a very sad man, he was weak, pathetic, irreparably broken. As MIB is dipping in and out of the light of where he is sitting, his face is contorting and shifting between Locke’s innocence and MIB’s fiery fury. Ben looks like a completely broken man. MIB continues to pile on. Locke was the only one who realized how pitiful of a life he left behind. This is so true. Just about everybody else that landed on the island is just no dam good. Who is an innocent, besides Locke? They are all bad people. Hurley? Even he killed some people when a deck collapsed, as was discussed with his therapist when he was in the nut hut. Locke might have been a good guy, but he's dead. Desmond killed Inman. Daniel put Theresa's mind into never never land. Who's left? These are bad people with bad lives, and can you think of any of them that hasn't killed someone at some point, or did bad stuff? And they were/are just clamoring to get off the island and go back to the bad stuff. Locke really needs to get some validation in Season 6. MIB is just running him down, parading around as Locke, and that body is just lying on the beach. Locke needs some kind of revenge. But that is a Hollywood ending, and this show is not following any blue print I’ve ever seen. Also, MIB talks as if he is the protector of the island. While Jacob seems to be more of a people person, MIB speaks of tradition and the island. There are so many things we still don’t know about MIB and Jacob, but I don’t think either one is all that good. What we have is a battle between two bad guys, at least that’s the way I’m viewing them at this point. Two bad guys, and a cast of characters that are bad people. Ben: What do you want? MIB: I want to go home. MIB twists his face into a mask of pure evil. How cool was that? Now, MIB wanting to go home could mean a couple of different things. The most likely answer is The Temple. The Other Others are preparing themselves as if that is exactly where he is headed now that Jacob is dead and apparently not protecting them anymore. A more intangible answer is the Temple, but in the sense of a similarity to Dogma, the Kevin Smith movie, where Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fallen angels who are convinced by Jason Lee’s character to follow through on a loophole created by Catholic dogma, where if they pass through the doors of a certain church in New Jersey, they will find a way to get back into Heaven after being cast out by God. However, as existence is founded on the principle that God is infallible, their success would prove God wrong and thus undo all creation. The last scion and two prophets are sent by the Voice of God to stop them. Can you see the parallels of MIB finding a loophole, wanting to go to The Temple, and wipe out creation, or the island, or end the game he and Jacob are playing and sacrificing people for? The people out to stop MIB are the Oceanic 815 people that Jacob selected. The scenario could change by next week, but I thought it was a very familiar concept. Sure, I’m constantly comparing LOST to various movies or TV shows, but some concepts do get recycled. Such as, I wouldn’t mind seeing Salma Hayek dancing around a stripping pole on the island like she did in Dogma, which in itself is recycled from From Dusk Till Dawn, where Salma Hayek dances around a stripping pole in a vampire club.

 

Hurley tells Sayid that he can stop by anytime for a chat since he is dead, dude. Hurley also has a pottery wheel and a cassette tape of the Righteous Brothers. Hurley turns to Miles, and asks, “What, dude?” Miles says “Nothing”. Double meaning. He is telling Hurley to leave him alone. But, Miles can read the thoughts of the dead. And, he apparently can’t read the thoughts of Sayid. Sayid is not truly dead yet. You know, I need to back up a second. Jack gave up rather quickly on trying to revive Sayid. Kate, who has zero medical training, tells Jack to give up. Jack has been practicing medicine for a long time, and he takes the advice of some newbie nurse. Balderdash. Mother Kate Teresa is trying to take care of a wounded Sawyer. Kate: I’m so sorry. Notice, when Kate said this, it was with a completely unsympathetic facial expression, as if she had to spit out poison or something similar in distastefulness. Sawyer is still full of vinegar, and gives Kate the answer that she wants to hear. “I ain’t going to kill Jack” Sawyer wants Jack to live with his guilt. The camera pans to Jack, who is deep in thought, or at least attempting to think, as I can hear the merry go round music coming out of his ears. Jack and Locke are both putting in claims for missing items, Locke a suitcase full of knives which he had on the island, and a dead father, which Jack lost on the island. L: they didn’t lose your father, they just lost his body. That may be true in some sense, as it applies to Locke himself in 2007. But I didn’t care for the Faith vs. Science yet again. Yawn. Locke says his condition is irreversible, and this time Jack pulls the Faith vs. Science card the opposite direction, gives Locke his business card. Richard and the Others see the flare, cementing the fact that the Losties are in 2007 at the Temple. MIB walks out, and Richard yells at everybody not to shoot, as it seems Richard knows the rules of engagement with MIB. Frank, who still refuses to button up his shirt, pulls out the cheesy: I’m still not believing it. Frank is to comedy what Tom Arnold is to comedy. MIB: Richard, it’s good to see you out of those chains. Two possible interpretations. While a popular scenario is that Richard was on the Black Rock, and I’ve held that belief at times, and since it was a slave ship, Richard may have been on that boat. However, all of the Others keep saying that Richard has been around for a really long time. When I think of a significant amount of time, I don’t know if 150 years cuts it, since the Black Rock set sail from England to Siam in 1845. Sure, you can add in loop time, but that still doesn’t change perception. Knowing that many different civilizations have existed on the island, including Egyptian, and there was plenty of slavery going on in the Middle East for millenniums, is it a stretch to think Richard was a slave a couple of thousand years ago? We really need some kind of back story for Richard. Richard: You? MIB: Me!!! And then MIB promptly kicks Richard’s ass. MIB turns to the Others: I’m very disappointed in all of you. MIB picks up the fallen Richard, carries him off like a boar, and walks by the corpse of Locke without a a glance. So, is MIB disappointed in the Others for choosing to serve Jacob’s wishes? Is MIB pulling a power play and going to pretend to be Jacob. Nobody has seen Jacob, except for Ben, who is scared. Richard can’t demand an audience with Jacob, so has Richard even seen him? Can Jacob manifest himself like MIB can, or is this a unique property? So many questions, and no answers yet. In the Temple, Jack is ordered to go to a meeting, and I know exactly what that feels like, especially late in the afternoon and I’ve run out of tea. A scuffle starts up, but ends quickly as Sayid rises up and “What happened?” This is something very different from what we have seen before. It seems that Sayid is alive, but is dead. I think there is very little chance that Jacob is somehow controlling or physically manipulating Sayid like some kind of Being John Malkovich scenario, a puppeteer pulling the strings. MIB has never physically possessed a body. He or Smokie have manifested or shape shifted into a dead person’s form, have been able to do physical things like Dave throwing a shoe at Hurley or biting Nikki as a killer spider. You can plainly see Locke’s body on the sand, so MIB does not require an actual body. Why would Jacob? No, Jacob is dead, and I can’t see him possessing a secondary character like Sayid. A Locke or Jack could be worthy of being possessed, but not Sayid. You have to think about what specific talents do these Jacob selected people have? Well, I will have a hard time figuring out some of their abilities, and I think you know who I am talking about, but Sayid is an assassin. A willing stooge, ready to do the bidding of his boss, like he did for Ben. A killer. Jacob needs this skill. Why? Because he needs to kill the Smoke Monster. And this means that MIB is not the Smoke Monster, but they are just buddies. Yes, Sayid is now the undead because I believe he is being groomed to fight homicidal, genocidal, school recital puff of smoke. If Sayid now has special abilities, that would be a fight for the ages, as long as the CGI is better than the crappy underwater scene of the island the last episode. And if Sayid kills Smokie, he will be the greatest warrior in the history of the world, other than the mothers who trample security guards on Black Friday when the local Walmart doors open up at 3:00 AM. Or Sayid was taking a nap and just woke up and is normal. Either way.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

"The Others hold Sayid under water while using an egg timer so that they could know exactly the moment when he was cooked. He is a chef, after all."

 

 

 

Good recap.

 

Anyone notice the top of the ankh sticking out of the sand in the underwater scene?

[pimptastic69 0]

Roscoe P Coltrane could teach you a few lessons.

 

That made me laugh. I was thinking the same thing but couldn't place a character to it.

[jets24 6]

As always, excellent summary Philly. Well done. I wonder if the writers of Lost ever read your synopsis. It's really an excellent read each week.

[tikigods 76]

Apparently, there is some stupid romantic comedy, When in Rome, for which I saw no less than 30 commercials for in a span of an hour and a half. I want nothing more than to have these people gathered in a wedding hall, dancing and laughing and partying and having their inane conversations. Little do they know that a tractor trailer is speeding down the road, and the driver is so busy texting pictures of his genitals to some waitress he met the other day, and promptly loses control of the vehicle. The gasoline truck plows right into the wedding reception, killing hundreds, wounding everybody else. The rest of the movie is a clinical exercise in putting out the fire, identifying bodies and random appendages, leading to autopsies and many, many burial services.

 

[edjr 6,312]

Yeah, but the Black Rock is from the 1800s. Most of the slaves from that era would be black.

 

Maybe you should call it White Rock?

[The Moz 69]

Jacob sent them to the temple knowing the water would be murky and would not heal ( at least not the asian dude ) for a reason -- the only one i can gather is the water represents the loophole somehow - and by it being murky will allow Sayid to kill MIB. I don't see Sayid as either Jacob or Smocke ( Umm PB MIB all but said I am the monster in part 2 - maybe there is more than 1 )

[Lackman 0]

( Umm PB MIB all but said I am the monster in part 2 - maybe there is more than 1 )

 

The multiple smoke monsters possibility has been brought up in the past in the speculative parts of writeups and previews. It can be bothersome that Locke's first description of the monster in Season 2 to Mr Eko never matched anything that we've seen before or since. But that might never be resolved either.

 

MIB did say all but directly say he was the Smoke Monster. He broadly hinted at it. The reasons why he may not be were raised in Part 2. At this point, we can accept that MIB = Smoke Monster at face value, or keep an open mind that MIB is being less than truthful in order to continue in manipulating Ben. We never saw MIB actually morph into Smokie, so you can still reserve judgment, until we see more evidence as we go along.

 

In an effort to answer questions and the current hectic pace of the show right now, the writers may not be able to resolve some of the plot inconsistencies.

[kutulu 1,625]

A fuller translation of some of what the Jap guy said:

DOGEN: They should not have come here. Seeing this place is unforgivable. Shoot them!

 

LENNON: Shoot 'em.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DOGEN: Have you encountered Jacob?

 

LENNON: He wants you to prove it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DOGEN: He must tell a lie! Shoot them!

 

 

 

 

 

DOGEN: All right! Let's go! Bring the injured Jarrah. We're going to the spring.

 

 

 

 

 

LENNON: The water isn't clear - what happened?

 

DOGEN: I don't know what happened.

 

 

 

 

 

DOGEN: I'll try as much as I can, but it'll come with risks.

 

LENNON: If we do this there are risks

 

~lostpedia

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Hi Res picture of the tapestry FLocke cut a piece out of.

 

http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/wp-cont.../116168_166.jpg

 

 

 

Translation of tapestry by "stelios" at Lostpedia

 

"First brown line says: Now a bad ( as in many casualties) war will begin This is a quote from Homer's Iliad

Second brown line appears to be also from iliad from a quick search and it's complete form should be ῥέε δ' αἵματι γαῖα which means :blood is spilled on ground

Third brown line is complicated since a lot of key words appear to be missing:

However it seems to be θανάτου δε μελαν νέφος αμφεκαλυψεν also from iliad which i think it means :And a BLACK CLOUD OF DEATH (!!!!!!!!!) Covered the area"

[Voltaire 4,972]

Hi Res picture of the tapestry FLocke cut a piece out of.

 

http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/wp-cont.../116168_166.jpg

Translation of tapestry by "stelios" at Lostpedia

 

"First brown line says: Now a bad ( as in many casualties) war will begin This is a quote from Homer's Iliad

Second brown line appears to be also from iliad from a quick search and it's complete form should be ῥέε δ' αἵματι γαῖα which means :blood is spilled on ground

Third brown line is complicated since a lot of key words appear to be missing:

However it seems to be θανάτου δε μελαν νέφος αμφεκαλυψεν also from iliad which i think it means :And a BLACK CLOUD OF DEATH (!!!!!!!!!) Covered the area"

 

The Middle one's in English. It says: "Peed. Aim at Iraqi."

[Quickolas1 80]

upon second viewing, i'm also skeptical that MIB is smokie. after all, underneath the temple-way, when ben was "judged" - the pic over smokie's grate depicted smokie as a servant or sidekick to something else (jacob? MIB?). actually before he said "i'm sorry you had to see me like that," I was actually wondering if smokie worked for Jacob...since MIB seemed shocked that smokie told Ben to do whatever MIB says. however, smokie did try to pull Locke down into underneath the Temple at one point in an earlier season (they threw dynamite down it to stop it), so that seems to contradict (unless Jacob decided mid-stream that Locke should die so MIB couldn't pretend to be him?). not to mention smokie then walloped "Jacob's bodyguards."

 

pretty sure the object that MIB picked up was a flattened bullet from the dude who was carrying around Locke's body (Ilana's guy). which makes it curious that Ben could kill Jacob but a bullet from that guy couldn't kill MIB. (Ben healed by waters/Sayid healed by waters parallel?)

 

we don't know what event caused the flash-sideways. it wasn't the bomb juliet exploded.

[Quickolas1 80]

Interview with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof

 

Potential storytelling spoilers.

 

the 3 videos after the brief interview were pretty damn funny

(the article doesn't reveal anything that we're not already thinking)

 

the videos don't have spoilers except for referencing parts of the season 6 premier

[OakHeadFootball 1]

the 3 videos after the brief interview were pretty damn funny

Those were great thanks for pointing it out I missed em the first time.

 

 

"Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill both of you?"

 

[kutulu 1,625]

Part II of last week's episode is being repeated tonight before the new one.

[posty 2,491]

Episode Title: (#603) "What Kate Does"

Air Date: Tuesday, February 09, 2010

 

KATE'S ON THE RUN, ON ABC'S "LOST"

 

"What Kate Does" Kate finds herself on the run, while Jack is tasked with something that could endanger a friend's life, on "Lost," TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 9 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

[kutulu 1,625]

Episode Title: (#603) "What Kate Does"

 

Season two had an episode called, "What Kate Did". That's the one where she blew up the house with her dad in it.