***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[edjr 6,312]

are you saying I should watch this weekend episode?

[pimptastic69 0]

Did not catch that...have to check that out on the rewatch.

 

I didn't catch that myself, I read it somewhere else and then saw the screencap.

[kutulu 1,625]

are you saying I should watch this weekend episode?

 

I wouldn't if I were you.

[kutulu 1,625]

I think there is very little chance it was Jacob's cave. Most likely MIB's cave.

 

What makes you think that it's not Jacob's, but the MIB cave...or at the very least a cave they shared at one point?

[Voltaire 4,972]

What makes you think that it's not Jacob's, but the MIB cave...or at the very least a cave they shared at one point?

 

For all his other faults, MIB seems like a straightforward, honorable, and trustworthy guy. He plays by the rules.

[kutulu 1,625]

He plays by the rules.

 

I'd like to see these rules.

[RicemanX 20]

I'd like to see these rules.

'The Game' is a simple concept but played on a large scale.

 

Here are the key points:

 

Welcome. You 2 are about to enter into a very unique game. Welcome to the island. This will be your playing field.

 

The island must have a leader that fits the specification perfectly. Whoever finds a perfect candidate for this role is deemed the winner of the game.

 

This is a game of 2 sides. One is light, one is dark. This does not necessarily mean one of you is 'good' and one of you is 'evil' - it just represents the fact that you are opposing each other and fighting to win the game.

 

You are trapped here until one of you finds a suitable candidate to act as the island's leader.

 

The leader must fit the following criteria

i) must not be bound by any emotion/event that occured off island.

ii) must be willing to COMMIT to the island. they must not fear sacrifice if it is in the best intentions of the island.

iii) must seemingly have a communion with this island. this makes them very special.

 

This game has no time limit. You may be on this island for a long time during its course.

 

You can bring people to the island. You do this by appearing to them during their past. Use the wheel provided to temporarily access the outside world. Once you touch them they will be drawn to the island - I [destiny] will handle this.

 

Candidates may die. When they do - they can be claimed (if the bodies are not buried) and used to influence the outcome of the game. Feel free to take charge of bodies on the island and interract with other people in order to manipulate their choices and secure your triumph.

 

You may need to move around the playing field quickly. To do this, you have the ability to appear as a pillar of smoke. One side will be black smoke, one side will be white smoke. Note: For redundant candidates that do not fit the criteria you may find it easier to remove them from game (death) while in your smoke form. You are very powerful in this form.

 

While in your smoke form you have the ability to look into the soul, the spiritual core of an individual, access their memories etc. It is down to you to judge and analyse their past and decide whether they are suitable as a candidate.

 

Once a candidate is deemed unacceptable they can either be simply left to live on the island [the others] or killed and removed from the game. You are not bound to emotion while the game is in progress, your sole goal is to win and leave the island.

 

You are seemingly invincible. You can withstand physical damage. You can not kill the other player.

 

You are able to choose one advisor to assist you throughout this battle. You are able to grant this individual long life, as I said, this game may take a while.

 

You can not pass through your enemy's ash. These are the ashes of a claimed person from the opposite team. These will repel you. Try not to get trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash, you will become furious over time and most likely say 'Help Me [escape]' in a deep voice! If you trap your opponent you have more time to find a candidate yourself and win the game. Your only chance is to hope someone passes through the ash so you can claim them and escape.

 

*NOTE: Suicide or being killed by one of your claimed 'pieces' (suicide by proxy) is not mentioned, but it is very unlikely. Do not look for loopholes that may encourage such an occurence. (Ben claimed by Jacob via the Spring, can kill Jacob because Ben = Jacob)*

 

Note: You may be searching for a suitable candidate for a very long time. It is likely that one of you may grow tired of playing. This is unacceptable. The game must end. Please do not attempt to find loopholes to leave the island early. And do not attempt to recruit the remaining inhabitants of the island (previous unsuitable candidates) and leave.

 

This is a game of faith, my time travelling wheel and the supernatural abilites of the island are all spiritual.

 

Good luck.

 

The game has begun.

 

 

 

 

Few random notes:

 

PROTIP: Bring some scientists to the island that are working with time travel. They may have something to teach you.

 

MIB brings Dharma to the island to try and break free from the game using science. (Science vs Faith theme)

Jacob and his appointed advisor, Richard, does not like this. Dharma must be removed.

Ben was claimed by Jacob when he was shot as a child. Richard (instructed by Jacob) passes on the task to purge Dharma to Ben... and it is done.

 

Dharma sonic fences = Science

Ring of ash = Faith

 

Both perform the same tasks, keeping the smoke out. Just using different methods. MIB gets closer to understanding the real rules of the game by using Dharma to investigate 1) time travel and 2) repelling smoke forms.

 

How else would Dharma know exactly how to keep the smoke out? Someone obviously intervened and gave them a clue.

[kutulu 1,625]

'The Game' is a simple concept but played on a large scale.

 

Where is that from. Is it canon?

[RicemanX 20]

Where is that from. Is it canon?

Sorry, quoted from a thread on "lost-forum.com"

[jvirne 0]

The running theme is free will and choices. Why would Hugo WANT to become the next Jacob, or be caretaker of the island, or whatever that position entails?

 

Jacob needs Hugo to be his translator on the island since he can see dead people. Other than that, what does Hugo bring to the table, aside from a hearty appetite?

 

Hugo is the most moral and incorruptible character on the show. He refuses to carry a gun. He hates to lie. He's the only one who ran at first sight of Ben Linus in LA. He's a pacifist and is 'special' in that he can speak to the dead.

 

However, he isn't the star of the show. Jack Sheppard is. Hugo, IMO, is the most logical choice to replace Jacob, so he's probably a red herring. The next Jacob is Jack.

[kutulu 1,625]

The next Jacob is Jack.

 

That's what I keep coming back to.

[nobody 2,469]

Jack is the worst candidate in my opinion. He's impatient. He makes bad decisions constantly. He can't understand how facts fit together. Sawyer and Hugo seem like the best candidates to me. The virtue criteria notwithstanding. I'm not even convinced that Jacob was a good guy yet. We don't know a damn thing about him.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Jin will be the winning candidate because he likes to fish like Jacob did. All the others would starve, especially Hurley.

[Saint Elistan 106]

There wont be a replacement.

[Voltaire 4,972]

I am very disappointed in all of you.

 

Sun will be the chosen candidate.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

The only guy worthy of replacing Jacob is Locke. The real Locke. How the writers would swing that at this point is an entirely different story. It is so obvious that I wonder if the whole Locke/MIB thing is nothing more than a giant red herring. Jack for the most part has been his opposite so it seems logical that he would end up as MIB. Of course none of this will actually happen.

 

Or maybe it ends up Real Locke / MIB Locke

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I am very disappointed in all of you.

 

[Voltaire 4,972]

The only guy worthy of replacing Jacob is Locke. The real Locke. How the writers would swing that at this point is an entirely different story. It is so obvious that I wonder if the whole Locke/MIB thing is nothing more than a giant red herring. Jack for the most part has been his opposite so it seems logical that he would end up as MIB. Of course none of this will actually happen.

 

Or maybe it ends up Real Locke / MIB Locke

 

Agreed. The only worthwhile candidate is Locke.

 

The series ends with white shirt Locke cooking a fish on the beach and black shirt Locke telling him he wants to kill him.

[shotsup 832]

what/who is MIB ??????

 

kutulu's wiseass answer

 

The Fresh Prince

 

 

FOCK OFF SERIOUSLY

 

 

Who is MIB ????????????

[jvirne 0]

Jack is the worst candidate in my opinion. He's impatient. He makes bad decisions constantly. He can't understand how facts fit together. Sawyer and Hugo seem like the best candidates to me. The virtue criteria notwithstanding. I'm not even convinced that Jacob was a good guy yet. We don't know a damn thing about him.

 

I agree. But Jack is the star of the show. At the end of Season 5, the only LOST actor who knew how the show ended was Matthew Fox. Additionally, ask yourself what Jack's main issue is. What is it? He feels like he has to save everyone and flips his turd when he can't. Remember when he pumped his own blood into Boone, in a vain attempt to save him? Over and over this has been established as Jack's character trait - even to a fault. It's also the perfect characteristic for someone who has to protect a 'special' island in order to 'save the world.' You need someone who believes in the island, and starting in Season 5, Jack has begun to. You also need someone who believes in people and their worth. Jack always has, to a fault (like Jacob).

 

As for Jacob being good, I've never thought the good/evil dichotomy worked on LOST, no matter how hard people tried to use it and how much the writers played with it. The characters are too complex for sharp good/evil distinctions. They are caught up in choice, meaning any given action may be good or evil, but it's a constant unfolding drama like the Christian "free will" or the Hindu & Buddhist idea of karma. Even Ben, the most diabolical of characters, chooses not to kill Penny. It was for somewhat selfish reasons (mommy issues), but that's the basis of compassion, which traces its etymological origins from the Latin meaning "to suffer with." He saw Charlie (the boy) living a life like himself without a mother, and wouldn't inflict that pain on him. Compassionate acts are generally "good."

 

Jacob is clearly compassionate. He expresses remorse for people's suffering, such as when Locke was paralyzed ("I'm sorry this happened to you."). He's also a believer in free will and the progress of humanity. His nemesis is a liar, a murderer, doesn't care for humanity (as evinced by his discussion with Jacob on the beach), and is trapped in a series of nestled layers - the cabin, then the island - when Jacob is free to move around the world. The symbol associated with Jacob is the ankh, the Egyptian symbol of life (held by the original statue and also the vessel of his message in the guitar case), and if there's a symbol associated with his nemesis, it's a column of black smoke known for terrorizing the island and killing people, i.e. a monster.

 

Good and evil? It doesn't work for the human characters imbued with choice, but it may work for the supernatural characters, much like it does for other immortal characters in many mythologies, angels and demons, etc.

 

Jacob refused to align himself with Ben Linus. "Why?" says Ben. "Why," echos Jacob. Why indeed. Ben is a liar, a killer, a psychopathic egotistical manipulator. He isn't without compassion, but he isn't exactly on the positive side of karma's ledger. It's also been insinuated that Ben was the central cog in the nemesis' plot to kill Jacob, and indeed "tricks" Ben into killing him. Jacob's nemesis out-manipulates the master manipulator. I would not buy a single thing the fake Locke person says. If he ever tells the truth, it's only to set up a lie or con beneficial to himself. The best lies have a grain of truth to them; it makes them believable. Just as the best cons are build upon truths. The nemesis (Fake Locke) is selfishness, solipsism, darkness, isolation, "evil." Jacob is compassion, choice, community, progress, "good."

 

I buy it. But it'll be interesting to see how things play out.

[jvirne 0]

The only guy worthy of replacing Jacob is Locke. The real Locke. How the writers would swing that at this point is an entirely different story.

 

Unless you view Locke as a John the Baptist figure (or Morpheus from The Matrix), who is fairly special in his own right, but not the "chosen one."

[kutulu 1,625]

Agreed. The only worthwhile candidate is Locke.

 

The series ends with white shirt Locke cooking a fish on the beach and black shirt Locke telling him he wants to kill him.

 

Did ya notice that coffee cup mug Locke is drinking out of in the bathroom? Half black-half white.

[Lackman 0]

Additionally, ask yourself what Jack's main issue is. What is it? He feels like he has to save everyone and flips his turd when he can't.

 

Jacob is clearly compassionate. He expresses remorse for people's suffering,...

 

Jacob refused to align himself with Ben Linus. "Why?" says Ben. "Why," echos Jacob. Why indeed. Ben is a liar, a killer, a psychopathic egotistical manipulator.

 

Jack's main issue is that he is in love with Kate. Why did Jack try to blow up the island? He confessed to Sawyer that he lost Kate and he needed to reset things to get her back. Jack might care about people somewhat, but everything he does right now is motivated by his winning Kate back. Will that mean Jack becomes protector of the island solely for Kate? Maybe to save her life. But he will not do it for the island.

 

Jacob is an assh0le. He uses people, kills them when it is in his best interest to do so. When he touches Sayid, it is to distract Sayid and keep him from being run over, but it is also to make sure Nadia is killed. Without Nadia's death, Sayid does not devolve into the unconscious murdering machine that Jacob needs him to become. Even Locke says that island demands sacrifices. Jacob demands human sacrifices. Boone, for example.

 

Jacob doesn't align himself with Ben because he needs Ben to kill him. Kate is a liar, a killer, a psychopathic egotistical manipulator, and Jacob aligned himself with her. So is Sun. The same can be said of Sawyer, but he is on the verge of flipping.

[jvirne 0]

Jack's main issue is that he is in love with Kate. Why did Jack try to blow up the island? He confessed to Sawyer that he lost Kate and he needed to reset things to get her back. Jack might care about people somewhat, but everything he does right now is motivated by his winning Kate back.

 

That's why he refused to give Sayid the pill? Because he wants Kate.

 

That's why he swallowed it himself. Because he wants Kate.

 

That's why he volunteered to go with Kate when she left the temple. Oh no wait, that was Jin.

 

That's why Jack returned to the island, because he wanted Kate, who wanted to stay in LA.

 

Okay.

 

PB, you are a man defined by hate. Your comments about Jack and Jacob are more about you than the show. You hate the character Kate (I sorta understand this) so you overdetermine Jack's relationship with her as his modus operandi, when it simply isn't.

 

The same can be said about your thoughts on Jacob. They're terribly misconstrued to fit your own angry ideas.

 

I won't argue with you, but dude, cool down and try to look see things a tad more objectively.

[kutulu 1,625]

jvirne = zen = jacob

 

phillybear = lackman = MiB

 

[jvirne 0]

jvirne = zen = jacob

 

phillybear = lackman = MiB

 

 

 

True: in real life, PB always wears black. In real life, my signature clothing is jeans and, wait for it, a plain white t-shirt.

[Lackman 0]

That's why he refused to give Sayid the pill? Because he wants Kate.

 

That's why he swallowed it himself. Because he wants Kate.

 

That's why he volunteered to go with Kate when she left the temple. Oh no wait, that was Jin.

 

That's why Jack returned to the island, because he wanted Kate, who wanted to stay in LA.

 

Okay.

 

PB, you are a man defined by hate. Your comments about Jack and Jacob are more about you than the show. You hate the character Kate (I sorta understand this) so you overdetermine Jack's relationship with her as his modus operandi, when it simply isn't.

 

The same can be said about your thoughts on Jacob. They're terribly misconstrued to fit your own angry ideas.

 

I won't argue with you, but dude, cool down and try to look see things a tad more objectively.

 

Jack is consumed with Kate and everything he wants to do is inspired by Kate.

 

Jack is also a doctor. He doesn't usually leave sick people behind, but he did at the Swan in 1977. He was so desperate to be given another chance with Kate, he left Sayid to die, hoping the bomb would reset things so as a side benefit Sayid could live. Now, he probably feels some guilt, and needs to fix Sayid because he neglected him because of Jack's obsession with Kate. Jack wasn't going with Kate because he knew she was going chasing after Sawyer. He knows he hasn't won her back yet, so let Sawyer drive her away again back into Jack's arms. Jack returned to the island because off island Kate didn't want anything to do with him anymore. He needed to get island Kate back.

 

Sure I hate Kate. 99% of LOST fans do too. But disliking Jack is not collateral damage. I like Sawyer's character quite a bit, despite his mingling with Kate. Jack is selfish in his lust.

 

I call them like I see them. No prejudice. Jacob is an evil assh0le, and Jack does everything with Kate in mind.

[kutulu 1,625]

Sure I hate Kate. 99% of LOST fans do too.

 

It's actually about 77%.

[jvirne 0]

Jack is consumed with Kate and everything he wants to do is inspired by Kate.

 

Jack is also a doctor. He doesn't usually leave sick people behind, but he did at the Swan in 1977. He was so desperate to be given another chance with Kate, he left Sayid to die, hoping the bomb would reset things so as a side benefit Sayid could live. Now, he probably feels some guilt, and needs to fix Sayid because he neglected him because of Jack's obsession with Kate. Jack wasn't going with Kate because he knew she was going chasing after Sawyer. He knows he hasn't won her back yet, so let Sawyer drive her away again back into Jack's arms. Jack returned to the island because off island Kate didn't want anything to do with him anymore. He needed to get island Kate back.

 

Would you be offended if I labeled this The Chick Love Theory?

 

Because I'm pretty sure it's what all the female LOST viewers want to believe.

[jvirne 0]

It's actually about 77%.

 

I'm 50-50.

 

One head says she's the worst actress on the show.

 

The other head watches her ass and chest in tight grungy clothes and begs for more bikini scenes. It'd also kill to get blown by that mouth.

[Lackman 0]

The other head watches her ass and chest in tight grungy clothes and begs for more bikini scenes. It'd also kill to get blown by that mouth.

 

I'd rather stick my pickle in Eloise Hawking's pooper. The geriatric version.

 

I'd rather have Vincent lick peanut butter off my taint.

 

I'd rather lick Rose's armpits.

 

I'd rather share a sleeping bag with Tom Friendly.

 

I'd rather be fisted by Keamy.

 

I'd rather be butt focked to death by the Smoke monster

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I'd rather stick my pickle in Eloise Hawking's pooper. The geriatric version.

 

I'd rather have Vincent lick peanut butter off my taint.

 

I'd rather lick Rose's armpits.

 

I'd rather share a sleeping bag with Tom Friendly.

 

I'd rather be fisted by Keamy.

 

I'd rather be butt focked to death by the Smoke monster

 

 

Yea man... serious hate issues.

 

Hate her acting. Hate her character. Hell, hate her sometimes goofy lookin mouf if ya want. But don't be hatin that sweet little ass. That is just crossing the line.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I'd say it's more like 42%

 

 

 

Also, Kate is a hot piece of ace. I would really question a heterosexual man if he were to deny this. I agree that young Eloise may be the hottest chick to ever appear on the show. However, he on-island character sucks, i do like the fugitive Kate though.

 

Mr.Eko is still the best character ever.

[jvirne 0]

Mr.Eko is still the best character ever.

 

He definitely rivals Locke. It's a real shame the actor became a ###### and left the show. The writers admitted that they had big plans for the Eko character. Instead they had to have smokey kill him prematurely.

 

I always wondered why the actor left. His stated reason was he didn't like Hawaii.

 

Wat?

 

Yea.

 

I say he either thought he had a brilliant film career ahead of him (not!), or he was feuding with someone on the set.

[jvirne 0]

Refresh my memory -

 

What happened to Desmond in 2007? Wasn't he last seen making plans to sail for the island....or am I misremembering that?

[kutulu 1,625]

Hey Lacky, you huge doosh..where's this weeks write up? I need soemthing to read on the train.

[jvirne 0]

Hey Lacky, you huge doosh..where's this weeks write up? I need soemthing to read on the train.

 

It's all a love story. Kate sucks. I want to see her killed in X, Y, and Z ways, preferably with power tools in an S&M pit.

 

Oh and did you see what I saw? It's all a loop.

 

Til next week!

 

[kutulu 1,625]

Refresh my memory -

 

What happened to Desmond in 2007? Wasn't he last seen making plans to sail for the island....or am I misremembering that?

 

He got shot by Ben at the marina.

[kutulu 1,625]

It's all a love story. Kate sucks. I want to see her killed in X, Y, and Z ways, preferably with power tools in an S&M pit.

 

Oh and did you see what I saw? It's all a loop.

 

Til next week!

 

 

I know it.

 

 

 

 

 

Still I'll read it along with the other 20+ articles I read each week pertaining to LOST.

[jvirne 0]

He got shot by Ben at the marina.

 

Right. So his story was left at the hospital, where Eloise and Whitmore were discussing Faraday.

 

For some reason I thought he was headed for the island...