Commishes please help me with wild card tie-breaker

[FrankRizzo 0]

As for points and ties these rules also have ben around for over ten years..

 

TIEBREAKER RULES

 

AT THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON IF TWO OR MORE TEAMS ARE TIED WITH THE SAME RECORD THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO MAKE IT INTO THE PLAYOFFS.

 

1. BEST WIN-LOSS RECORD

2. MOST POINTS SCORED DURING REGULAR SEASON. (THERE IS A REASON FOR PUTTING MOST POINTS SCORED AS A TIEBREAKER BEFORE HEAD-TO-HEAD COMPETITION.) ANY FANTASY TEAM COULD GET LUCKY DURING THE SEASON AND HAVE A GOOD GAME AGAISNT A GOOD TEAM. THE TRUE TEST OF A GOOD TEAM IS HOW IT FARES THROUGHT THE ENITIRE SEASON. THIS IS A BETTER REFLECTED BY A COMPARISON OF THE POINTS SCORED DURING THE ENTIRE SEASON.

3. HEAD-TO-HEAD COMPETITION

4. BEST CONFERENCE RECORD

PLAYOFF TIES

IF TWO FANTASY TEAMS TIE DURING THE PLAYOFFS THE SAME RULES MENTIONED ABOVE WILL GO INTO EFFECT.

 

Good rules ... but why do they have to be so LOUD?

 

Pretty sure we've beat it into this guy that his rules need to be changed.

He needs help figuring out who's in/out based on their CURRENT CRAPPY RULES.

[Mephisto 15]

Team A.

 

You can't use "Division Record" when teams involved in the tiebreaker are not in the same division. It matters not how the rules are written - when multiple divisions are involved, the division record tiebreaker is voided.

 

IMO, it's all about who has the best winning percentage amongst all tied teams (H2H). It doesn't matter that some team played weaker teams more times than others... it doesn't matter that their records are unbalanced. That's the breaks.

[Dan 62]

Team A.

 

You can't use "Division Record" when teams involved in the tiebreaker are not in the same division. It matters not how the rules are written - when multiple divisions are involved, the division record tiebreaker is voided.

 

IMO, it's all about who has the best winning percentage amongst all tied teams (H2H). It doesn't matter that some team played weaker teams more times than others... it doesn't matter that their records are unbalanced. That's the breaks.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, for sure, even when it's not meritable. There is a reason that the NFL runs the head-to-head tiebreaker the way they do.

[nobody 2,461]

You're entitled to your opinion, for sure, even when it's not meritable. There is a reason that the NFL runs the head-to-head tiebreaker the way they do.

 

 

The problem is his rules don't say that he has to use the NFL method of breaking multiway ties across divisions. It just says head-to-head.

[Stewburtx8 67]

Actually, working head-to-head as a percentage is very much not fair. Sorry to be argumentative, but think about what you're saying. In the current scenario, A has the best winning percentage. However, that team obviously was having its way with teams B & C, and you could argue that they had the opportunity to "pad" their percentage by playing them multiple times. Regardless, it wasn't clean, because A then lost to D - which didn't have the opportunity to pad against weaker division opponents (theoretically), but D turned around and lost to B or C. Sooooo . . .

 

Do it the NFL way. Head-to-head only works with a sweep. ONLY a team who wins all those head-to-head games, or loses all those head-to-head games is taken out of the tie.

 

This is not complicated, folks. This tie-breaker ought to be decided at the total points option, and even in your "letter of the law", COMMISSIONER, you have the right to understand the spirit in which it was written. Most tie-breaker options are chosen by name, and those grabbed verbatim from the NFL's "titles" for said tie-breakers. If you grasp at the division record tie-breaker to put Team A in, it will absolutely look like you're working angles.

 

Use some common sense, folks. There is no justification for turning off your brains.

 

 

I agree with this. If I'm team D and get bumped out by "head to head" record or "division" record when I'm not in any of those teams division, and only played each of those teams once (with a good 2-1 record), I'd be absolutely livid. You can't use a head to head tiebreaker unless there is a clear cut team that beat everyone else. And division record can only be used to break ties within a division. I'd definitely go to total points here.

 

Like Dan said above, the spirit of the written rules should be to get the most deserving team in. I would defer to the opinions of some of the guys who were there when the rules were written and do not have a stake in this (assumimg those guys are still around). How did they understand the rules when they were written? If they are not, then why are you still going by rules that someone else wrote up. Is the original commish still around? Ask him.

[Dan 62]

The problem is his rules don't say that he has to use the NFL method of breaking multiway ties across divisions. It just says head-to-head.

 

First, I was responding to the "thems the breaks" attitude. Second, I explained your concern here in a previous post, probably in more than one of them.

 

I would bet that there are a lot of leagues that don't "describe" head-to-head. You can argue that this is poor planning, but I would suggest that simply keeping one's mind engaged through understanding what is meant will get you through this sticky spot.

 

I'm contending with the notion that somehow Head-to-Head as a tie-breaker means "Head-to-head percentage." That is just as interpretative an execution of the tie-break option as mine. Only mine makes sense. The percentage does not. I brought the NFL into this because they don't use the winning percentage in the head-to-head tie-breaker, either, and there is a reason for that.

[nobody 2,461]

That condescending attitude is awesome. Keep it up. I hope it works for you.

 

Tell the NFL how unfair head-to-head percentage is.

 

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

 

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

[nobody 2,461]

Also, total points is a sucky tiebreaker. Breakdown record is much better. Blowing up one week to gain a points advantage is just as lucky as head-to-head. I see it every year. However, if you are consistently beating more teams per week than another team but are getting unlucky with wins and losses, the breakdown record will reflect that. The points won't necessarily do that.

[Dan 62]

That condescending attitude is awesome. Keep it up. I hope it works for you.

 

Tell the NFL how unfair head-to-head percentage is.

 

1) Apparently, I stand corrected.

1a) I still think that percentage is poor.

 

2) I didn't mean to sound condescending. Sorry.