Walter34 3 Posted December 24, 2009 Credentials: Manning - 14-0 record, 4213 yds passing, 33 pass TDs, 101 QB Rating. He's won the award with less stats and without him the Colts would be 9-4 or 8-5 right now. many come back wins this year. Negatives: 15 INTs and he and his team have a long history of success, so even an undefeated season is getting largely overlooked as a great accomplishment for Manning. Brees - Leading a former medocre team to a great season. 13-1 record, 4130 Yds, 33 TDs, 109 qb rating. No real negatives to call out here. Arguably has done the same with less. Favre - Raised the level of the Vikes from borderline playoff team to contender @ 11-3. 3565 Yds, 27 Tds, 104 qb rating. Has perhaps the best supporting cast among contenders with Peterson, the oline and the staunch defence. Fading down the stretch a bit. Unless the media is bending the criteria for a good story, I dont see him winning it over the tough class this year. Chris Johnson - 2176 yds from scrimmage, 13 TDs, almost certain to break faulk's record as the Titans will need to play hard to the end of the year. Primary reason for the Titans resurgence the 2nd half of the year. Outside shot at making the playoffs after an 0-6 start. Philip Rivers - 3891 yds, 25 TDs, 103 qb rating. Under appreciated in MVP talks, but could win in other years where there are not as many strong contenders. 9 streaight wins and counting and have wrapped up the bye with the win over Cincy. Defensive player - A few longshot candidates here but no real contenders - jared Allen, Charles Woodson, Elvis Dummervil and darren Sharper are the primary contenders for defensive player of the year. I dont see anyone contending for the real MVP however as it would take a phenominal season, with no other superstars abd a great record to be considered by the media. To me it comes down to Brees vs. manning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted December 24, 2009 Why is Rodgers not on the list (besides your obvious Packer hating reasons )? 4,000 yards; 28 touchdowns, only 7 Ints..... QB rating of 102.4 Add on rushing stats that none of these other quarterbacks can sniff (305 yards and 4 TDs) Winner of five straight games (should be 6.... he did everything in his power to win that sixth game -- 400-plus yards, 4 TDs, led the team for the winning TD with 2 minutes left) 9-5 record (soon to be 11-5) Rodgers has put up the best stats with by far the worst offensive line.... that is what is most impressive..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HardTack 0 Posted December 24, 2009 I think that if the Titans make the playoffs and CJ breaks 2000 yds..he could possibly take it this year. If the Titans do not make the playoffs and the Colts go undefeated....it would be hard not to take Manning. I agree that he does have 15 INTS but I think 6-7 of those came after they hit the receivers hands. What do you mean Brees has done more with less? He has Colston, Meacham, Henderson, Bush, PT, MB, Moore, Shockey...I wouldnt call that less...I would wager that most if not all of those guys have been on someone's roster this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 24, 2009 Peyton, Rivers, Brees, Johnson ............... ............... ............... ............... ............... ...............Favre Rodgers just out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtthom86 5 Posted December 24, 2009 at this point it is Brees vs Manning, both of them probably deserve it. if the colts go 16-0 I think you got to give it to peyton. chris johnson is the offensive player of the year imo. awesome year, thank god I survived vs him in the playoffs last week rodgers certainly deserves a mention, but the QB class this year has just been unbelievable. I'd put him in front of farve however. really just a crazy good year for many of these guys. I wonder if it is a new trend or just an anomaly, just of the top of my head I can't remember a year when so many guys did this amazing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Portis26 0 Posted December 24, 2009 Johnson got my vote - anyone playing above EVERYONE else like he is .. even at 0-5 is the MVP in my book Peyton is always deserving, so I wont be upset if he wins again Johnson Peyton Rivers Brees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gtthom86 5 Posted December 24, 2009 Johnson got my vote - anyone playing above EVERYONE else like he is .. even at 0-5 is the MVP in my book Peyton is always deserving, so I wont be upset if he wins again Johnson Peyton Rivers Brees johnson is having the best year, for certain, but its hard to give it to him when brees and manning have their teams at 14-0 and 13-1. If johnson can run the titans into the playoffs, i think he has a legitimate shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Road_Cats 1 Posted December 24, 2009 I think that if the Titans make the playoffs and CJ breaks 2000 yds..he could possibly take it this year. If the Titans do not make the playoffs and the Colts go undefeated....it would be hard not to take Manning. I agree that he does have 15 INTS but I think 6-7 of those came after they hit the receivers hands. What do you mean Brees has done more with less? He has Colston, Meacham, Henderson, Bush, PT, MB, Moore, Shockey...I wouldnt call that less...I would wager that most if not all of those guys have been on someone's roster this year. Funny and i may not be totally sold on it. But if the Titans make the playoffs and win one game Vince Young should be MVP. No one this season has turned a team around. He may not be fully responsible for it but hey we blamed the previous qb for the short commings. Plus what else did they change other than QB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcgangstas 41 Posted December 25, 2009 I gave it to Peyton as MVP, and Chris Johnson as Offensive Player of the Year. Manning stepped his already lofty ability up another level, bringing along Garcon and Collie and compensating for the loss of Gonzalez and of course Marvelous. I must say that Chris Johnson is simply amazing. He's the closest thing I've seen to Gale Sayers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted December 25, 2009 Funny and i may not be totally sold on it. But if the Titans make the playoffs and win one game Vince Young should be MVP. No one this season has turned a team around. He may not be fully responsible for it but hey we blamed the previous qb for the short commings. Plus what else did they change other than QB Started giving the ball to Chris Johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted December 25, 2009 Aaron Rodgers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0 Posted December 25, 2009 tony romo is the mvp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted December 25, 2009 tony romo is the mvp No, Brady is. Remember which username you log in on, toolbox . On a realistic note, it's obviously Manning. I would've said Brees had an advantage if they went undefeated, and Indy lost 1 or 2 - but the Colts train is unstoppable in terms of MVP steam. He's got this locked up this year and deserves it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted December 26, 2009 Why is Rodgers not on the list (besides your obvious Packer hating reasons )? 4,000 yards; 28 touchdowns, only 7 Ints..... QB rating of 102.4 Add on rushing stats that none of these other quarterbacks can sniff (305 yards and 4 TDs) Winner of five straight games (should be 6.... he did everything in his power to win that sixth game -- 400-plus yards, 4 TDs, led the team for the winning TD with 2 minutes left) 9-5 record (soon to be 11-5) Rodgers has put up the best stats with by far the worst offensive line.... that is what is most impressive..... Let's be realistic Donny, he doesnt have the stats of the top two, nor the wins. You could argue that he should have been on the list instead of Rivers perhaps, but he has no shot at winning and may not get any votes at all. In the end, too many losses and few quality wins. The only wins against winning teams were dallas and balt. They lost to Cincy, Minn x2, Pitt. 2-4 against good teams. Also, what the hell happened against TB? Your only argument is the offensive line that you have focused on. That by itself doesnt cut it. They've given up a ton of sacks, but how much of that is on Rodgers? You can call it hate if you want Donny, but it was blind homerism that got him mentioned in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted December 26, 2009 Favre has played his way off this list and Rodgers should take his place My vote is for CJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sprewell43 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Fantasy MVP - not even close - Chris Johnson - he has boatraced every other position player out there. Probably from a late 1st round to 2nd round pick also. Not even close. For league MVP I believe CJ too because of what he has done for an average team. And for those of you who have watched his scores - they are nothing short of spectacular. Mind boggling. Even Faulk or LT a few years back did not have the prolific, amazing runs and screens as this guy. That all being said, its tough to pass on QBs for teams that are 14-0 and 13-1. I dont see CJ winning although I believe he should. Manning and Brees have all the complimentary parts around them (though they are still great), CJ has an average squad, and really no other offensive threats on his team. 8 in the box, 9 in the box? Dont matter, 85 yards to the house.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 583 Posted December 27, 2009 Not quite sure how you would take Rivers OFF the list. The Chargers are averaging 28 ppg with the 30th ranked run offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,758 Posted December 27, 2009 Manning. Unless the Titans get into the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yer mom 2 Posted December 27, 2009 Its Peyton Manning no contest. I see it this way, if you take Brees out of NO and another QB is there with the great coach that is Sean Payton, there are enough weapons around that they could/probably would still be going to the playoffs, probably not the same record. You take Manning away from the Colts with a new HC, not only are they probably a 8-6 team right now, but you wouldnt know who Austin Collie or Pierre Garcon are. Peyton takes offensive nobodys and goes undefeated, many times pleying from behind. Rivers would be the most deserving runner up IMO. Chris Johnson is fantastic, but it was Vince Young coming back to play that created nightmares for DC's. With Young doing what he does back there, you could have a few different RB's you could put back there to get the results they have now, namely MJD, ADP, S Jax and possibly a few others. Peyton cannot be replaced or equal to, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 583 Posted December 27, 2009 Manning. Unless the Titans get into the playoffs. Titans are already eliminated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted December 27, 2009 Chris Johnson. Brees would be second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted December 27, 2009 Let's be realistic Donny, he doesnt have the stats of the top two, nor the wins. You could argue that he should have been on the list instead of Rivers perhaps, but he has no shot at winning and may not get any votes at all. About 100 yards less than both Brees and Manning; 33 to 32 TDs (Rodgers has 4 on the ground).... Not really much difference... Rodgers has far less INTs (he has less than half of what Manning has!).... If that's not valuable to a team; I'm not sure what is.... Rodgers also has 305 yards on the ground.... You can argue that with what Rodgers does with his legs and the fact that he throws far less INTs makes his stats better than the first two..... but I digress... In the end, too many losses and few quality wins. The only wins against winning teams were dallas and balt. They lost to Cincy, Minn x2, Pitt. 2-4 against good teams. Yes, Rodgers plays on a worse team (and much younger team) than both the Saints and the Colts.... Does that make what he has done less outstanding or him less valuable??? Doubtful.... Just mentioning the Pitt game as your rationale exemplifies how terrible your critieria is (or what a hater you are).... He accounted for over 400 yards and 4 TDs and led his team to the game-winning score with less than 2 minutes left. Because GB's defense is suckier than Indi's are NO's, Rodgers shouldn't be considered for the MVP? Likewise, against Minn.... he threw for 750 yards and 5 TDs with 1 Int and scored a ton of points.... He played excellent in some really challenging circumstances (terrible, terrible crapass line) that the other two never have had to face... "Quality wins" is garbage.... a QB is just one of 53 players on a team.... and when he performs stellarly like Rodgers did in the aforementioned scenarios, there is nothing more you can do.... Rodgers has extremely comparable stats playing with a far worse offensive line than both.... that is what makes him the most valuable.... HTH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bushy 0 Posted December 27, 2009 Yes, Rodgers plays on a worse team (and much younger team) than both the Saints and the Colts.... The Colts are actually the 2nd youngest team in the league: older only than the Packers. It's clear that Rodgers has the numbers. His time will come. He should get some consideration this year, but Manning and Brees (and maybe Rivers) are more deserving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted December 27, 2009 The Colts are actually the 2nd youngest team in the league: older only than the Packers. It's clear that Rodgers has the numbers. His time will come. He should get some consideration this year, but Manning and Brees (and maybe Rivers) are more deserving. I'm just asking for some consideration (he's not on even on Walter 34's list).... You also need to factor in Rodgers off-the-charts 3rd-down passing statistics; which are not only clutch but extremely "valuable".... There is also something to be said about times when Brees or Manning would clearly be sacked or throwing INTs (which on the Packers, especially early on, would be many), Rodgers is making great plays on his feet (and through the air on the run).... most crucially on third down.... That is extremely valuable. You'd think with the Bears having 37 quarterbacks over the last decade and a half, that Walter34 would be a better quarterback evaluator ..... but he seems to only be able to judge bad quarterbacks It's funny that he uses Rodgers three best games of the season (Minn x 2 and Pitt) as a knock on Rodgers. Yes, 1150 yards and 9 touchdowns and 90 points for the Packers (plenty to win a game)......is a knock on Rodgers...... he should have thrown for 2,000 yards 18 touchdowns and scored 180 points in 3 games... HAHAHAHAHA! But I'm used to Walter34's schtick.... I find it funny.... And I have nothing but admiration for Brees and Manning, just think that Rodgers excellent resume this season (especially with that terrible o-line) should at least put him in the discussion... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted December 27, 2009 I'm just asking for some consideration (he's not on even on Walter 34's list).... You also need to factor in Rodgers off-the-charts 3rd-down passing statistics; which are not only clutch but extremely "valuable".... There is also something to be said about times when Brees or Manning would clearly be sacked or throwing INTs (which on the Packers, especially early on, would be many), Rodgers is making great plays on his feet (and through the air on the run).... most crucially on third down.... That is extremely valuable. You'd think with the Bears having 37 quarterbacks over the last decade and a half, that Walter34 would be a better quarterback evaluator ..... but he seems to only be able to judge bad quarterbacks It's funny that he uses Rodgers three best games of the season (Minn x 2 and Pitt) as a knock on Rodgers. Yes, 1150 yards and 9 touchdowns and 90 points for the Packers (plenty to win a game)......is a knock on Rodgers...... he should have thrown for 2,000 yards 18 touchdowns and scored 180 points in 3 games... HAHAHAHAHA! But I'm used to Walter34's schtick.... I find it funny.... And I have nothing but admiration for Brees and Manning, just think that Rodgers excellent resume this season (especially with that terrible o-line) should at least put him in the discussion... There is no schtick Donny. I'm not from the area and therefore do not have the same hate for rivals that locals would. As much as you like to imply that all my posts are homer based or GB hating, it simply isnt the case. I'll give you that his stats are up there with the top group and that he should have been on the list, but I still dont think he has a realistic shot at the hardware. The poll was about who the MVP would be, not Media looks at primary stats, not rushing TDs and the media looks at wins. You can look at the Pitt game and say he did all that he could, but at the end of the day, its a loss - that is all that the media sees in the end. You can look at each loss and say that he played great - again, very few media people look that deep. Pass Yds, TDs and wins are what they look at. He's had a great year for sure, but in the end, will likely not get a first place vote. Rightly or wrongly, Rivers and CJ are getting some talk for MVP. I agree that Favre's late season swoon is costing him a shot as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted December 27, 2009 There is no schtick Donny. I'm not from the area and therefore do not have the same hate for rivals that locals would. As much as you like to imply that all my posts are homer based or GB hating, it simply isnt the case. You are an incredible homer.... I have your pre-season analysis that has almost every Bear position rated higher than Packer position.... including Cutler over Rodgers (HAHAHAHAHA) Just because I'm classy enough not to bump it, doesn't mean that you aren't an incredible homer.... and just because you are in Kitchener rather than Schaumburg, doesn't make you any more objective.... especially when it comes to evaluating Packers... But point taken Media looks at primary stats, not rushing TDs Primary stats? How are rushing yards and scoring TDs not primary stats? You're saying that if CJ was in a neck-and-neck race with another RB, that they wouldn't consider his 900* passing yards and 4 TDs passing? But I digress.... all I think is that Rodgers should be in the discussion... If the Packers win the Super Bowl, would you consider Rodgers then? Happy Holidays to you, btw... *running back passing equivalent to 300-some yards rushing by a QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psunate77 0 Posted December 27, 2009 Colts go unbeaten Manning will win it hands down... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted December 27, 2009 You are an incredible homer.... I have your pre-season analysis that has almost every Bear position rated higher than Packer position.... including Cutler over Rodgers (HAHAHAHAHA) You must be drunk or still living back in the glory years of the board. I havent posted a position analysis for the division at all this year and it may be a few years back since I have. I rarely post here at all anymore. Go ahead and look for it if you must But I digress.... all I think is that Rodgers should be in the discussion...If the Packers win the Super Bowl, would you consider Rodgers then? No - its a regular season award. If we have a thread where its titled guys that have had a damn good year that wont sniff the MVP award - he's there. Happy Holidays to you, btw... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted December 27, 2009 Also, what the hell happened against TB? I guess Brees is off the MVP list! HAHAHAHA.... And he lost at home! At the end of the season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yer mom 2 Posted December 28, 2009 Its Peyton Manning no contest. I see it this way, if you take Brees out of NO and another QB is there with the great coach that is Sean Payton, there are enough weapons around that they could/probably would still be going to the playoffs, probably not the same record. You take Manning away from the Colts with a new HC, not only are they probably a 8-6 team right now, but you wouldnt know who Austin Collie or Pierre Garcon are. Peyton takes offensive nobodys and goes undefeated, many times pleying from behind. Rivers would be the most deserving runner up IMO. Chris Johnson is fantastic, but it was Vince Young coming back to play that created nightmares for DC's. With Young doing what he does back there, you could have a few different RB's you could put back there to get the results they have now, namely MJD, ADP, S Jax and possibly a few others. Peyton cannot be replaced or equal to, period. Do you need a better analysis with the results of this weekend? Absolutely. Positively. Solidified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted December 28, 2009 If Peyton or Brees had gone undefeated I would have given it to them. But now I have to say Chris Johnson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,055 Posted December 28, 2009 Im moving Rivers up to no 2 now, slightly behind Manning CJ is the Offensive player of the year, but no way can an MVP be on a team that doesnt make the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted December 28, 2009 I think after seeing the trainwreck that is The Colts Without Peyton Manning, I'm inclined to give an emphatic vote of confidence to Peyton Manning for MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9-Route 0 Posted December 28, 2009 Manning. Unless the Titans get into the playoffs. correct. johnson must make the playoffs, much like brees last yr----hit the ultra elite stat [5000 pass yds/ 2000 rush yds], but could not use it to push the team into the playoffs. the voters simply have not given it to players with the stats but without the postseason berth [even barry sanders' late 90s 2000yd campaign got him co-mvp with favre because they barely made the wildcard]. furthermore, yesterday's atrocious happening in indy solidified it for manning. rivers, brees, rodgers, etc are all top candidates, but they didn't show us the actual occurrence of the age old statement, "how good is that team without him?" geez, what a way to prove how important u r [ie first pass play after u leave the field= sack, fumble, fumble rec TD] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
