49ers at Chiefs

[onejayhawk 3]

KC is 2-0, and its not a fluke. Granted they wer badly outgained by the Chargers, but that is not unusual with a team milking a lead. The defense played very well and the ST were decisive. Against Cleveland, they played another Special Teams monster to a standstill, and ground out a win. In both games the ball security was excellent (see threads on Jamaal Charles vs Thomas Jones) and the passing game wretched. That's two wins: a home win vs very good team; a road win vs a decent team.

 

San Fransisco was thought much the better team. They were thumped badly in the first game by an emotional Seattle team that they should beat 9 times out of 10. The principal thing I take from that game is a question about mental preparedness. Against New Orleans, they played well, and could have won. Alex Smith was big and Gore was huge. The OL is taking on the look of a force to be reconned. On the other hand, anyone can get up to play the Super Bowl Champs.

 

Some points.

• In spite of two wins, KC is 30th in yardage offense and 24th in yardage defense. In scoring defense, they rate 8th.
  
• The Chiefs ball security has been excellent, and the 49ers awful.
  
• The Chiefs Special Teams were decisive in game one and controlled Cleveland's in the second game. This is a clear advantage.
  
• Both teams have very effective ground games, but the 49ers ahve a clear edge in passing.
  
• Judging from the Monday Night game, the Chiefs' home field advantage is back.
  

 

So, how do you call it? Will the 49ers walk into another Seattle game, and put Singletary's neck on the block?

Do they get pissed and put the hurt on?

Are these two fairly evenly matched teams that will slug it out?

 

J

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Hope for San Fran's sake they win. If they don't coach is gonna show em the poop shoot again

[Mike FF Today 708]

** Chief Homer Alert **

 

Good points onejayhawk. The Chiefs first two games turned out about like I thought they would and doesn't surprise me at all that they are 2-0. However, I'm predicting a 20-17 SF win on Sunday at Arrowhead for the points you mentioned above - namely their poor offensive performance. Unless Jamaal Charles touches the ball 22 times and Dexter McCluster gets 5-10 touches himself, I don't see how KC can keep win this game on Defensive or Special Teams TDs. San Francisco has far superior talent on both sides of the ball (respective to Cleveland) and it will show.

[jgcrawfish 232]

i'm not big into reading games, i usually prefer to watch them. it's kind of like the whole book vs movie thing...yeah, i know the book has more stuff, better details and crap like that...but i prefer to be fed my entertainment.

 

 

 

 

niners win this one easy

[RSersen 0]

49ers should win on paper, but I have to wonder how much that last second loss on Monday took out of them. Strong possibility that they come out flat, and if the Chiefs jump out early, Arrowhead is the one of the last environments you want to try to play catch-up in.

 

More interested to see the Jones/Charles split. Ever since Haley came out and said that he'll determine touches based on matchups, the thinking at a lot of sites is that this may be the game Charles gets 15-20 touches. Jones would have been featured against Cleveland because they have a weak interior, and would be able to just pound it up the middle. With the 49ers, the best way to beat them is to get outside, and Jones isn't doing that.

 

I'm almost afraid to buy in and start him, but if Charles finally has a breakout game and he's on my bench, it'll be a tough pill to swallow.

[Saint Elistan 106]

I'm still making my thread tomorrow, fockers. You can't stop me!

[jerryskids 6,166]

For those who saw the 2nd Chiefs game (ignore the first, monsoon one) -- is the passing offense really that bad, or was it more of a matter of the running game working and sticking with it? I'm wondering about Bowe, who I'm not quite ready to give up on because no Chiefs WR (OK, maybe the TE a little) has really stepped up.

[FeelingMN 273]

For those who saw the 2nd Chiefs game (ignore the first, monsoon one) -- is the passing offense really that bad, or was it more of a matter of the running game working and sticking with it? I'm wondering about Bowe, who I'm not quite ready to give up on because no Chiefs WR (OK, maybe the TE a little) has really stepped up.

 

NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora believes the Chiefs will "strongly consider" cutting ties with Matt Cassel after the 2010 season.

 

Cassel is due a $4.75 million salary plus a $7.5 million option bonus, which would make him one of the highest paid players in the league next year. The Chiefs upgraded the talent around him, so the excuses for his poor play are running out. Cassel has provided no reason to believe he can develop into a franchise quarterback.

 

per rotoworld

 

Yeah...just some writer's opinion, but Cassel really does suck that bad. As a fellow Bowe owner, I've given up on the guy. Not dropping him....just not starting him until he shows something.

[Spec7ral 6]

per rotoworld

 

Yeah...just some writer's opinion, but Cassel really does suck that bad. As a fellow Bowe owner, I've given up on the guy. Not dropping him....just not starting him until he shows something.

 

SO would you start Mike WIlliams or Demaryius over Bowe?

[wildbluefan 0]

Hope for San Fran's sake they win. If they don't coach is gonna show em the poop shoot again

 

If they don't...Singletary will blow his aorta in the locker room after the game !

[YoMamasBreathStinks 0]

I see 49ers winning, the Chiefs opened at home in the rain vs a team without it's best player and no identity, then played one of the WORST teams in all of football.

I don't think the Chiefs are really all that good, but it was a good start and things are looking up- maybe 7 or 8 wins is my guess, and that's a hell of alot more than last year.

9ers HAVE to win, 0-3 is just not an option.

[onejayhawk 3]

I see 49ers winning, the Chiefs opened at home in the rain vs a team without it's best player and no identity, then played one of the WORST teams in all of football.

I don't think the Chiefs are really all that good, but it was a good start and things are looking up- maybe 7 or 8 wins is my guess, and that's a hell of alot more than last year.

9ers HAVE to win, 0-3 is just not an option.

Cleveland is not one of the worst teams in the league. The defense is solid, the special teams exceptional, and the offense at least has a good OL. In Peyton Hillis, they may even have a feature back. I would put them in the late teens/early 20s.

 

J

[onejayhawk 3]

** Chief Homer Alert **

 

Good points onejayhawk. The Chiefs first two games turned out about like I thought they would and doesn't surprise me at all that they are 2-0. However, I'm predicting a 20-17 SF win on Sunday at Arrowhead for the points you mentioned above - namely their poor offensive performance. Unless Jamaal Charles touches the ball 22 times and Dexter McCluster gets 5-10 touches himself, I don't see how KC can keep win this game on Defensive or Special Teams TDs. San Francisco has far superior talent on both sides of the ball (respective to Cleveland) and it will show.

Easily. The 49ers can beat themselves.

 

If the Chiefs are +3 on turnovers, SF is going down, and vice versa. If the Saints had four takeaways, because that is how the Saints D operates, its one thing. If they had four takeaways because the 49ers are sloppy ball handlers, it is something very different.

 

San Fransisco certainly has the talent to blow Kansas City out of their home stadium. The question in my mind is, can they work together well enough to do so?

 

J

[FeelingMN 273]

SO would you start Mike WIlliams or Demaryius over Bowe?

 

At some point, on field production counts more than ADP. Like I said, I'm sitting Bowe. There is no reason to believe he'll post solid numbers against arguably the best defense he's faced thus far.

 

I see 49ers winning, the Chiefs opened at home in the rain vs a team without it's best player

 

Phillip Rivers played.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,478]

In the Chiefs win over SD they had a special teams TD and the weather was pretty bad. not easy for Rivers to throw it all over the field.

 

In their win over Cleveland, a pretty bad team, they relied on a defensive TD.

 

At some point they are going to have to do more on offense and not rely on bad weather or bad opponents.

[Turcaso 1]

It's obvious that KC needs a special teams and/or Def TD to win the came....the home croud seems no give them the energy needed to create those types of plays. This offense certainly doesn't look like it's ready to break out. That has more to do with the play calling and offense philosophy than the lake of play makers.

[nzoner 937]

9ers HAVE to win, 0-3 is just not an option.

 

Yeah,sure wouldn't want to be down 0-3 in that monster division of the NFC West.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Before I go on.. I do want to ask the original poster exactly when Cleveland all of the sudden became a decent football team?

 

That being said... despite their opponents, the Chiefs have looked good on defense and special teams. The Niners looked good on Monday in spurts, but still lost at home and had lots of turnovers. Arrowhead is definitely a tough place to play, but I think that a lot of things in that MNF game just fell into place for the Chiefs with the rain (which was definitely to the Chiefs' advantage IMO) and with opening a newly renovated stadium on MNF on the NFL opening weekend.

 

In the end, the game could go either way. I don't expect the Chiefs offensive struggles to get any better vs the Niners. But for now, I am still hesitant to say the Chiefs are for real for the time being. If they win at home vs the Niners, then it will be a different story.

[idiotec 31]

The only consistent thing between the Niners first two games are the mistakes. It is tough to win any game in the NFL when you lose the turnover battle. If the Niners protect the ball, I thnk they win this game. I do think it is a must win for the Niners, so hopefully they come out with that sort of enthusiasm.

 

Go Niners!

[onejayhawk 3]

Before I go on.. I do want to ask the original poster exactly when Cleveland all of the sudden became a decent football team?

 

That being said... despite their opponents, the Chiefs have looked good on defense and special teams. The Niners looked good on Monday in spurts, but still lost at home and had lots of turnovers. Arrowhead is definitely a tough place to play, but I think that a lot of things in that MNF game just fell into place for the Chiefs with the rain (which was definitely to the Chiefs' advantage IMO) and with opening a newly renovated stadium on MNF on the NFL opening weekend.

 

In the end, the game could go either way. I don't expect the Chiefs offensive struggles to get any better vs the Niners. But for now, I am still hesitant to say the Chiefs are for real for the time being. If they win at home vs the Niners, then it will be a different story.

Decent in the 6-10 sense, with 8-8 as an upside. Its a step down from fairly good, which is a 8-8 kind of team.

 

I agree it could go either way. It depends on which 49er team shows up. If it is the team that played much of the Saints game, things could get ugly. If it is the disinterested, butterfingerd bunch that played the rest of the sesason, it could get differently ugly. Or, it could be some of both.

 

J

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,045]

sorry but cleveland is not a decent team

 

at best they are the 29th best team in football.

 

32. Buff

31. Ariz

30. STL

29. Cleve

28. Caro

 

these 5 teams may be adjusted

at best they are a 3-13 team

[YoMamasBreathStinks 0]

Cleveland is decent?

Really, since when?

Who is their QB, you know that guy, he's the one that touches the ball the most BY FAR and is responsible for making decisions..who? Delhomme? Wallace?

PLEASE

 

They will be LUCKY to win 6 games, talk about ridiculous homerism.

[onejayhawk 3]

sorry but cleveland is not a decent team

 

at best they are the 29th best team in football.

 

32. Buff

31. Ariz

30. STL

29. Cleve

28. Caro

 

these 5 teams may be adjusted

at best they are a 3-13 team

Where are the Lions? Put Detroit where Cleveland is. I would pick some team other than Carolina, but the Panthers are close. Over the season, I think Clausen fills the biggest gap.

 

Here is a headliner: Oakland vs St Louis.

 

J

[Kent 228]

The game will go like this. T.Jones, 25 carries for 73 yards. KC hopes for a defensive TD. May win 10-7. Or lose 45-6.

[onejayhawk 3]

The game will go like this. T.Jones, 25 carries for 73 yards. KC hopes for a defensive TD. May win 10-7. Or lose 45-6.

If Jones gets 25 carries, it will be for more than 73 yards. In fact, if he gets 25 carries, i would predict a Chiefs win. Too many things would have to go right for it to happen.

 

This game is about composure. If the 49ers keep their head, and play solid football, they win easily. That is a big "if".

 

J

[Boilermaker04 11]

In the Chiefs win over SD they had a special teams TD and the weather was pretty bad. not easy for Rivers to throw it all over the field.

 

In their win over Cleveland, a pretty bad team, they relied on a defensive TD.

 

At some point they are going to have to do more on offense and not rely on bad weather or bad opponents.

 

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[Boilermaker04 11]

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Oops.

[onejayhawk 3]

In the Chiefs win over SD they had a special teams TD and the weather was pretty bad. not easy for Rivers to throw it all over the field.

 

In their win over Cleveland, a pretty bad team, they relied on a defensive TD.

 

At some point they are going to have to do more on offense and not rely on bad weather or bad opponents.

^

 

 

Oops.

Yeh.

 

I thought this game was about composure, and I have rarely been more right.

 

J