ICEMAN 41 Posted January 13, 2011 What the hell is Carloina going to do about that anemic offense? If Ron Rivera had any sense he would hire Josh McDaniels. Let him figure out whether Jimmy Clausen can be an NFL QB, or not. McDaniels would be able to step right in and take the reigns of the offense and let Rivera focus on the Big Picture stuff and what he knows best, defense. The only thing that I could think of that would stop something so logical would be that McDaniels pricetag might be a little to high for Jerry Richardson. Thoughts? ICEMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,100 Posted January 13, 2011 While Josh McDaniels might be an offensive "guru", I wouldn't want to hire him as a coordinator. He seems to make waves everwhere he goes and the first chance he gets he would be out of there for HC job and then you have to start over with a new system. I'm thinking Brad Childress as OC and Vince Young as QB. The ressurection team. Clausen isn't ready (may never be) for a starting job in the NFL. He's marginal at this point and needs more time. The offensive line had lots of injuries. They get those guys back and add some depth on Defense through the draft (#1 pick) and we might have something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted January 13, 2011 The Vikings had McDaniels in for an interview last Friday....but it looks like he ain't coming here. Rumor has it that he's seeking ~$2M per year as an OC. Pretty steep price for these newbie head coaches who probably aren't getting a lot of coin themselves. I do think they need someone else besides Clausen though. Vince Young kinda makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,017 Posted January 13, 2011 I wouldn't touch McDaniels with a ten foot pole. Not right now anyway. Let him come back to Earth a bit and then give him a shot of redemption. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorrycharlie 0 Posted January 13, 2011 I wouldn't try to build a team around a mentalcase like VY either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted January 13, 2011 Carolina's turn to go from worst in division to first. It happens every year somewhere in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 13, 2011 I wouldn't touch McDaniels with a ten foot pole. Not right now anyway. Let him come back to Earth a bit and then give him a shot of redemption. Exactly. He was over-rated to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,100 Posted January 13, 2011 Carolina's turn to go from worst in division to first. It happens every year somewhere in the NFL. There is some merit to this statement. 2010 was the perfect storm for the Panthers. Loads of injuries to key positions, young QB, and lame duck coach. It wasn't going to go well. However there are some really nice pieces and ballers on the team. All they need is stability at the QB position (Free Agency) and to stay somewhat healthy. If those two things happen they could be the suprise team next season. The Defense was underrated last season and adding back the injured players plus the #1 pick will help, plus Rivera as HC. Offensively, the running game will always be there and the two rookie WR's (Gettis and Lafell) showed loads of promise. Staying healthy on the O-Line is the key. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flgatorguy87 160 Posted January 13, 2011 There is some merit to this statement. 2010 was the perfect storm for the Panthers. Loads of injuries to key positions, young QB, and lame duck coach. It wasn't going to go well. However there are some really nice pieces and ballers on the team. All they need is stability at the QB position (Free Agency) and to stay somewhat healthy. If those two things happen they could be the suprise team next season. The Defense was underrated last season and adding back the injured players plus the #1 pick will help, plus Rivera as HC. Offensively, the running game will always be there and the two rookie WR's (Gettis and Lafell) showed loads of promise. Staying healthy on the O-Line is the key. I agree with this, and as a titans fan I don't think Vince Young is a good option. Although I could see the immature thing working for VY, with him having that "I want revenge mentality". I would personally prefer Orton much more, or even try to trade for somebody like Flynn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted January 13, 2011 If they get a QB there offense is okay they got a solid running game and a stud wr in Smith and a up n comer in Gettis. And they need there oline finally healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gregzeetheking 0 Posted January 14, 2011 IF Steve Smith stays, they should Franchise DeAngelo and trade him, maybe get Orton, Flynn, or even Kolb....at the least maybe McNabb or Hasselbeck.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted January 14, 2011 Take Fairley #1 overall, follow up with Dalton in the second, then BPA the rest of the draft that fits what Rivera wants to do on D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavern 70 Posted January 14, 2011 IF Steve Smith stays, they should Franchise DeAngelo and trade him, maybe get Orton, Flynn, or even Kolb....at the least maybe McNabb or Hasselbeck.... i actually like kolb as a fit in carolina. the others mentioned here - just don't seem right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ICEMAN 41 Posted January 14, 2011 Kolb would be the best thing for them, but the cost would prohibitive. The Eagles would want at least two first round picks for him as a starting point and I just don't know if Rivera would be able to give up those big building blocks before day one. Maybe he would. If it were me, I'd give those picks up in a heartbeat for Kolb. And while I agree that letting McDaniels stew for a year would give him some much needed humility and appreciation for his place in the order of things (as far as NFL coaches go), I think that he is the real deal. I am a Pat's fan and I knew that Mangini was fools gold from the get-go. Don't lump McDaniels in with the rest of the Coordinator castoffs from the Patriots (Mangini, Weiss & Crennel). McDaniels just got caught reading too many of his own press clippings at too young an age. There is some substance there, though. I don't think that he is HC material, but I think that he can be a top 5 Offensive Coordinator in the league. He's a smart guy that's really creative and has a great feel for the offensive flow of the game. ICEMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,476 Posted January 14, 2011 too bad Luck is staying in college. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,476 Posted January 14, 2011 Kolb would be the best thing for them, but the cost would prohibitive. The Eagles would want at least two first round picks for him as a starting point and I just don't know if Rivera would be able to give up those big building blocks before day one. Maybe he would. If it were me, I'd give those picks up in a heartbeat for Kolb. And while I agree that letting McDaniels stew for a year would give him some much needed humility and appreciation for his place in the order of things (as far as NFL coaches go), I think that he is the real deal. I am a Pat's fan and I knew that Mangini was fools gold from the get-go. Don't lump McDaniels in with the rest of the Coordinator castoffs from the Patriots (Mangini, Weiss & Crennel). McDaniels just got caught reading too many of his own press clippings at too young an age. There is some substance there, though. I don't think that he is HC material, but I think that he can be a top 5 Offensive Coordinator in the league. He's a smart guy that's really creative and has a great feel for the offensive flow of the game. ICEMAN no way any team should give up that price for Kolb. You can find QB's alot of places these days. Just look at guys like Orton and Fitzpatrick who have ended up bieng more than servicable when they were originally thought to only be stopgaps. They may not be franchise QB's but players like that can hold you over until you find the future without giving up everything. no way a team like carolina can afford to give up 2 firsts. And no way Kevin Kolb is worth that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,753 Posted January 15, 2011 Eagles fan here - there is NO WAY they're asking two first rounders for Kolb. I'd be delighted if they got one first rounder or a 2nd plus another pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,476 Posted January 15, 2011 Eagles fan here - there is NO WAY they're asking two first rounders for Kolb. I'd be delighted if they got one first rounder or a 2nd plus another pick. im not sure what the ultimate asking price will be but I also heard 2 firsts a few times. what eagles fans want is probably different than what the organizations wants or thinks it can get, at least right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,753 Posted January 15, 2011 im not sure what the ultimate asking price will be but I also heard 2 firsts a few times. what eagles fans want is probably different than what the organizations wants or thinks it can get, at least right now. If there's a rumor out there about the Eagles asking two first rounders for Kolb that is ALL about Philly trying to inflate the asking price. In reality they'd be very lucky to get a low first rounder plus another pick. Anything less and they're probably better off franchising Vick and holding on to Kolb as a backup, unless Double K is really fed up. He's been the ultimate class guy for years now and they owe him a chance to start. I just don't buy any team giving up that much for a QB who's been more or less okay in very limited action for an offense that seems to make every QB look pretty good. Especially after DMac sucked it up this past year. My two cents. I'd cream my shorts if the Eagles got two first rounders for Kolb and with all the holes on the OL and along the defense they should jump at that kind of deal in a minute, I just don't realistically see it happening. Kolb might get traded but it will be for a more reasonable deal, roughly equivolent to the high 2nd plus a 3/4 they got for McNabb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorrycharlie 0 Posted January 16, 2011 They won't get 2 1sts for Kolb, and the Iggles owe him nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,476 Posted January 16, 2011 If there's a rumor out there about the Eagles asking two first rounders for Kolb that is ALL about Philly trying to inflate the asking price. In reality they'd be very lucky to get a low first rounder plus another pick. Anything less and they're probably better off franchising Vick and holding on to Kolb as a backup, unless Double K is really fed up. He's been the ultimate class guy for years now and they owe him a chance to start. I just don't buy any team giving up that much for a QB who's been more or less okay in very limited action for an offense that seems to make every QB look pretty good. Especially after DMac sucked it up this past year. My two cents. I'd cream my shorts if the Eagles got two first rounders for Kolb and with all the holes on the OL and along the defense they should jump at that kind of deal in a minute, I just don't realistically see it happening. Kolb might get traded but it will be for a more reasonable deal, roughly equivolent to the high 2nd plus a 3/4 they got for McNabb. again, no one is saying the Eagles should or will get 2 firsts. Just saying it is what they currently want. Andy Reid would be more than content with both Vick and Kolb being back in Philly next year. As for McNabb, he was/is nearing the end. The only teams really interested in him were those with very deep pockets and those who felt they were a veteran QB away. Kolb is young enough that if any team or GM truely believes he has shown what it takes to be a good starter in this league, they would likely be willing to part with a little more than what the Iggles got for McNabb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted January 16, 2011 They're asking two firsts for Kolb simply becaues they really have no intention of moving him, but if someone was stupid enough to meet that price, the Birds can make a new plan. Both Vick & Kolb will be Eagles next year. Vick will be franchised, and Kolb is already signed pretty cheap. He can gripe if he wants, but he's got no bargaining position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,100 Posted January 28, 2011 Franchise Deangelo Willams and trade him with Jimmy Clausen and the 2011 #1 for Larry Fitzgerald and the 2011 #5 right effing now. Use the #5 on the best available Defensive player and go get K.Orton. Somebody put me in the front office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavlov 0 Posted January 28, 2011 I'll trade (franchise) Deangelo Willams, Jimmy Clausen, and the #1 Overall for Larry Fitzgerald and the #4 right effing now. Use the #4 on the best available Defensive player and go get K.Orton. Somebody put me in the front office. I think someone would have to put you in Arizona's front office to make that happen--trading away a team's only viable star player for someone who is pretty roundly known to be terrible and back who hasn't been healthy for a few years who will start barking for an extension from day one isn't going to sell a lot of season tickets and luxury suites. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,100 Posted January 28, 2011 I think someone would have to put you in Arizona's front office to make that happen--trading away a team's only viable star player for someone who is pretty roundly known to be terrible and back who hasn't been healthy for a few years who will start barking for an extension from day one isn't going to sell a lot of season tickets and luxury suites. Don't ruin my daydream that will never come to fruition. Also, nobody likes Russians. Espcially those that ring bells and play with dogs. So please excuse yourself from this thread and go drink some vodka or something. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavlov 0 Posted January 28, 2011 Don't ruin my daydream that will never come to fruition. Also, nobody likes Russians. Espcially those that ring bells and play with dogs. So please excuse yourself from this thread and go drink some vodka or something. TIA You know, in the 8+ years since I made this profile, I think you're the only one to mention the irony of taking the name Pavlov on a site based around getting advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 211 Posted September 8 This franchise in trouble, they’re awful. Bryce Young is worse than Zach Wilson with the Jets. He needs to be permanently benched for Dalton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,192 Posted September 8 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: This franchise in trouble, they’re awful. Bryce Young is worse than Zach Wilson with the Jets. He needs to be permanently benched for Dalton. Adam Thielen and Andy Dalton were lighting it up last year when Dalton was allowed to play. Today was so bad. I would have thought Bryce Young would be much improved with the offseason, training camp with a new coaching staff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 128 Posted September 8 8 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Adam Thielen and Andy Dalton were lighting it up last year when Dalton was allowed to play. Today was so bad. I would have thought Bryce Young would be much improved with the offseason, training camp with a new coaching staff. Welcome to Bama QBs. The only reason Hurts is decent at times is thanks to his year with Lincoln Riley after Bama ran him off. It’s easy to look like a world beater in college when you have the best talent in the league blocking and catching for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,461 Posted September 9 They might have to contract this franchise. They're reaching levels of ineptitude heretofore not seen on the NFL landscape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,390 Posted September 9 19 hours ago, JagFan said: Welcome to Bama QBs. The only reason Hurts is decent at times is thanks to his year with Lincoln Riley after Bama ran him off. It’s easy to look like a world beater in college when you have the best talent in the league blocking and catching for you. Didn't Tua go to Alabama? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,390 Posted September 9 I'm not saying Young is good, but I've said this I'm other posts about Tampa, Dave Canales isn't as good as people are making him out to be. Young isn't going to be the lone reason this team will be drafting in the top 3 next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 128 Posted September 9 2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: Didn't Tua go to Alabama? Do you think Tua is good? Mark Sanchez would look good with those two WRs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 718 Posted September 9 11 minutes ago, JagFan said: Do you think Tua is good? Mark Sanchez would look good with those two WRs. I think at the very least you need to give him credit for not screwing it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 128 Posted September 9 18 minutes ago, Ray_T said: I think at the very least you need to give him credit for not screwing it up. That’s fair Ray. I’m just sour after yesterday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 718 Posted September 9 Just now, JagFan said: That’s fair Ray. I’m just sour after yesterday that is also fair. I'll be honest, the reason for his rough start to his career was partly attributed to the poor line play. they did bring in some free agents to shore up the line some. and they brought in Dionte who I felt should be an improvement to the WR. I figured Bryce would take a step forward. it may still happen. but this was an embarrassing performance. Not just for young, but the team as a whole I never watched but I may take a peek on NFL replay to see if I can get some insight as to where the issue likely is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 128 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Ray_T said: that is also fair. I'll be honest, the reason for his rough start to his career was partly attributed to the poor line play. they did bring in some free agents to shore up the line some. and they brought in Dionte who I felt should be an improvement to the WR. I figured Bryce would take a step forward. it may still happen. but this was an embarrassing performance. Not just for young, but the team as a whole I never watched but I may take a peek on NFL replay to see if I can get some insight as to where the issue likely is. I don’t know. As an Auburn fan I watch a lot of Bama football. The thing that stood out to me about Bryce was how he reacted to pressure…which he didn’t face very often behind those Bama lines. He’s great when he has time to react or move a little. Not so much once he gets rattled, and it doesn’t take much to rattle him. I don’t think most people realize what it was like for those Bama QBs. They played behind NFL level talent at the college level so games weren’t much different than practice for them…they rarely got hit. Bryce was shaky once he got hit or pressured a couple of times in a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 718 Posted September 9 2 minutes ago, JagFan said: I don’t know. As an Auburn fan I watch a lot of Bama football. The thing that stood out to me about Bryce was how he reacted to pressure…which he didn’t face very often behind those Bama lines. He’s great when he has time to react or move a little. Not so much once he gets rattled, and it doesn’t take much to rattle him. I don’t think most people realize what it was like for those Bama QBs. They played behind NFL level talent at the college level so games weren’t much different than practice for them…they rarely got hit. Bryce was shaky once he got hit or pressured a couple of times in a game. That is a problem. you can overcome these issues but you need a good line. This used to be the scouting report for Dak Prescott. can get rattled when you get in his face and make bad decisions. but he landed in Dallas playing behind what might have been the best O line in the league at the time and he was fine. Lessons can be learned here. Hopefully they fix this up before they ruin their top prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,363 Posted September 9 4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: Young isn't going to be the lone reason this team will be drafting in the top 3 next season. He's the reason they'll be picking a QB in the Top 3 though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,390 Posted September 9 3 hours ago, JagFan said: Do you think Tua is good? Mark Sanchez would look good with those two WRs. At worst, he's on par with Lawrence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
