Am I crazy?

[Neek 0]

I must be getting slipped something. I am considering starting Cam Newton vs. NO over Tom Brady vs. NYJ. Somebody tell me I'm frigging crazy and I should never even be entertaining this idea.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are crazy

[420allstars 13]

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are crazy

 

 

INSANE!

[Maroon Bells 18]

I'm a Newton owner but I'd play Brady over anyone.

 

Story: I had Brady starting a few years ago in a game I HAD TO win. I tune in to watch him play and to my horror see a field covered in ice and snow. If I had seen that field 10 minutes earlier, I would've benched him, but now it was too late. I was stuck with a QB who, on those few occasions when he'd be able to keep his feet, would clearly would have few options but to run the ball. Instead Brady comes out firing. He had 5 TDs AT THE HALF. Patriots win 59-0.

 

Moral: never bench Tom Brady. No matter the defense. No matter the conditions. Newton's playing well, and I see a good day for Newton against NO, but Carolina's too unpredictable. They could come out running, having decided that their best defense against NO is to keep Brees off the field. I doubt it, but it's possible. You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever.

[Houston Texans 10]

Moral: never bench Tom Brady. No matter the defense. No matter the conditions. Newton's playing well, and I see a good day for Newton against NO, but Carolina's too unpredictable. They could come out running, having decided that their best defense against NO is to keep Brees off the field. I doubt it, but it's possible. You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever.

Oh, really?

 

Towards the end of NE's perfect season (as well as Brady's 50 TD season). For no reason other than gameplan (no injury, etc), Belicheck came out and decided to run the ball 30 times, while "only" throwing it 27. I'm not saying that WILL happen this week, but for you to suggest that "You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" is completely false.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

Oh, really?

 

Towards the end of NE's perfect season (as well as Brady's 50 TD season). For no reason other than gameplan (no injury, etc), Belicheck came out and decided to run the ball 30 times, while "only" throwing it 27. I'm not saying that WILL happen this week, but for you to suggest that "You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" is completely false.

Youre completely false

[The Hood 9]

Oh, really?

 

Towards the end of NE's perfect season (as well as Brady's 50 TD season). For no reason other than gameplan (no injury, etc), Belicheck came out and decided to run the ball 30 times, while "only" throwing it 27. I'm not saying that WILL happen this week, but for you to suggest that "You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" is completely false.

So 4 years ago on a very windy and rainy day in December they were forced to run the ball.

 

Very relevant.

 

 

 

 

Facing rain, wind and chilly gusts above 20 mph, New England relied on Laurence Maroney's rushing instead of Tom Brady's passing and beat the New York Jets 20-10 Sunday in the Spygate rematch to clinch home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs.

[Houston Texans 10]

So 4 years ago on a very windy and rainy day in December they were forced to run the ball.

 

Very relevant.

Fixed. Since my post was extremely relevant, I removed your "rolleyes," & replaced it with a more appropriate thumbs up.

 

Read the original post by "Maron Bells;" pay particular attention to the bolded red text.

I'm a Newton owner but I'd play Brady over anyone.

 

Story: I had Brady starting a few years ago in a game I HAD TO win. I tune in to watch him play and to my horror see a field covered in ice and snow. If I had seen that field 10 minutes earlier, I would've benched him, but now it was too late. I was stuck with a QB who, on those few occasions when he'd be able to keep his feet, would clearly would have few options but to run the ball. Instead Brady comes out firing. He had 5 TDs AT THE HALF. Patriots win 59-0.

 

Moral: never bench Tom Brady. No matter the defense. No matter the conditions. Newton's playing well, and I see a good day for Newton against NO, but Carolina's too unpredictable. They [Car] could come out running, having decided that their best defense against NO is to keep Brees off the field. I doubt it, but it's possible. You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever.

Since Bells said "never bench Tom Brady...No matter the conditions;" and "They [Car] could come out running...You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" posting a link that clearly shows that there have been occasions when conditions have negated Brady's FF value AND that you could have to worry about BB deciding to come out running, my post and link was extremely relevant.

[Houston Texans 10]

Youre completely false

See post 8, and try reading the entire thread, including the post I was responding to.

[Axe Elf 0]

Crazy like a fox.

 

Not only should you bench Brady, you should trade him while he still has some name appeal for someone who's about to explode, like David Clowney (this gives your team the coveted QB-WR connection as well)--if you can get the Clowney owner interested enough, that is. But there's no point in having someone like Brady on your bench when you can turn his past performance into current points for your team.

 

 

[nzoner 937]

An old bookie of mine once gave me some great advice,he said,"Think long,think wrong."

[NorthernVike 2,082]

This reminds me of an old joke...

 

 

 

Mickey and Mindy are in divorce court and the judge goes to Mickey...Insanity is not a reason for divorce Mickey. Mickey says, your honor, I did not say she was insane. I said she was focking Goofy.

 

And so are you if you bench Brady.

[Axe Elf 0]

If you're talking about the Mouses, you mean Minnie, not Mindy.

 

 

[The Hood 9]

Oh, really?

 

Towards the end of NE's perfect season (as well as Brady's 50 TD season). For no reason other than gameplan (no injury, etc), Belicheck came out and decided to run the ball 30 times, while "only" throwing it 27. I'm not saying that WILL happen this week, but for you to suggest that "You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" is completely false.

 

 

Fixed. Since my post was extremely relevant, I removed your "rolleyes," & replaced it with a more appropriate thumbs up.

 

Read the original post by "Maron Bells;" pay particular attention to the bolded red text.

 

Since Bells said "never bench Tom Brady...No matter the conditions;" and "They [Car] could come out running...You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" posting a link that clearly shows that there have been occasions when conditions have negated Brady's FF value AND that you could have to worry about BB deciding to come out running, my post and link was extremely relevant.

 

You stated they decided to stop passing and run a lot due only due to a change in the game plan. When the facts were that the weather conditions were so bad in that game that they could not pass the ball with much success so they had to go with the run.

 

 

So yes you're right you can't say "never." Every few years there is chance that the weather might be bad enough late in December to make your point relevant. But its maybe a less important fact to worry about the first week in October than ones like Brady has thrown atleast 2 TD passes for 13 straight games when wondering what the Pats game plan will be.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You stated they decided to stop passing and run a lot due only due to a change in the game plan. When the facts were that the weather conditions were so bad in that game that they could not pass the ball with much success so they had to go with the run.

 

 

So yes you're right you can't say "never." Every few years there is chance that the weather might be bad enough late in December to make your point relevant. But its maybe a less important fact to worry about than those like Brady has thrown atleast 2 TD passes for 13 straight games when wondering what the Pats game plan will be.

... and to add to this, the weather in Foxboro should be beautiful. Upper 70's with clear skies at game time.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

See post 8, and try reading the entire thread, including the post I was responding to.

And... Youre still false. One time constitutes actually trying to pinpoint the next game the pats will run the entire game? And he still through 27 times which isnt bad since brady will pribably complete 21 passes. The point is it happens sooo little that you don't need to worry about it. Also teams, especially the pats, like to run up the score since any team with a decent pass attack has a chance to come back. There may be one instance where they ran it more but i would stick with brady and not bring up that point again because it's pointless.

[Neek 0]

And... Youre still false. One time constitutes actually trying to pinpoint the next game the pats will run the entire game? And he still through 27 times which isnt bad since brady will pribably complete 21 passes. The point is it happens sooo little that you don't need to worry about it. Also teams, especially the pats, like to run up the score since any team with a decent pass attack has a chance to come back. There may be one instance where they ran it more but i would stick with brady and not bring up that point again because it's pointless.

 

OK, then Brady stays in. If I lose this week by Brady's points < Newton's points, I'm going to kick each and every one of you in the nads. If the opposite is true and Brady > Newton is what I needed to win, I will PM each of you a delicious cookie.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

OK, then Brady stays in. If I lose this week by Brady's points < Newton's points, I'm going to kick each and every one of you in the nads. If the opposite is true and Brady > Newton is what I needed to win, I will PM each of you a delicious cookie.

... and we will kick you in the nads.

[steelers2101 7]

Fixed. Since my post was extremely relevant, I removed your "rolleyes," & replaced it with a more appropriate thumbs up.

 

Read the original post by "Maron Bells;" pay particular attention to the bolded red text.

 

Since Bells said "never bench Tom Brady...No matter the conditions;" and "They [Car] could come out running...You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever;" posting a link that clearly shows that there have been occasions when conditions have negated Brady's FF value AND that you could have to worry about BB deciding to come out running, my post and link was extremely relevant.

 

 

So you're not talking about him playing the Jets this week anymore?

 

You've switched to bickering about something that has nothing to do with your original post (unless there are horrible conditions involved) just because you want to be right?

 

Very mature.

 

Don't bench Brady. I benched him last year against the Steelers and will never bench him again. I'll risk the rare bad start rather than bench a great one.

[Neek 0]

I'll risk the rare bad start rather than bench a great one.

 

It's pretty rare to have a 2nd QB on the roster that is performing at an elite level with a much better matchup to make me consider benching Brady with a poor matchup. I mean nobody has Brady/Rodgers or Brady/Brees. This is one of those times that I think it at least deserves some discussion and consideration.

[Axe Elf 0]

OK, then Brady stays in. If I lose this week by Brady's points < Newton's points, I'm going to kick each and every one of you in the nads.

 

 

Well, not each and every one of us. I said to bench Brady.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Well, not each and every one of us. I said to bench Brady.

We should kick you in the nads either way.

[chroniciguana 13]

If the voices in your head are telling you to start Newton, start Newton. But ignore the guy in the elf suit. Don't freaking trade Brady!

 

PS: Nobody but nobody knows whether Newton will post more or fewer points than Brady. I'm starting Newton this week just to shake things up. And because the voice in my head says so.

[steelers2101 7]

Well, not each and every one of us. I said to bench Brady.

 

Given that Rice is on bye for me this week, I hope you are wrong about Brady. I will need every point I can get.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

If the voices in your head are telling you to start Newton, start Newton. But ignore the guy in the elf suit. Don't freaking trade Brady!

 

PS: Nobody but nobody knows whether Newton will post more or fewer points than Brady. I'm starting Newton this week just to shake things up. And because the voice in my head says so.

 

 

Send a message to Brady that you will not tolerate mediocrity. Maybe he will be better motivated for the Dallas game.

[steelers2101 7]

It's pretty rare to have a 2nd QB on the roster that is performing at an elite level with a much better matchup to make me consider benching Brady with a poor matchup. I mean nobody has Brady/Rodgers or Brady/Brees. This is one of those times that I think it at least deserves some discussion and consideration.

 

It definitely deserves consideration, and Cam could outscore Brady, but NO's defense is pretty solid, and benching the best QB in the league on the best offense in the league for a solid QB on a terrible team playing against a superior team that will probably hold the ball most of the game is an unnecessary risk to take. Carolina's positions will be limited by NO's offense and Cam will have to be extremely efficient against a solid defense to have a big game. The downside is more than the upside. I have been wrong many times before, but that is my opinion.

[Franknbeans 46]

bat shit

[chroniciguana 13]

It definitely deserves consideration, and Cam could outscore Brady, but NO's defense is pretty solid ... Carolina's positions will be limited by NO's offense and Cam will have to be extremely efficient against a solid defense to have a big game.

 

The season is young. But through four weeks, the Saints are ranked 20th among NFL defenses in QB points allowed. The stat is more interesting than important. Actually, not all that interesting. The source on this is RealTime Fantasy Sports.

[lod 0]

If you're talking about the Mouses, you mean Minnie, not Mindy.

 

There was one person on this planet that didn't know it was Minnie Mouse and you just screwed that up.

[Houston Texans 10]

You stated they decided to stop passing and run a lot due only due to a change in the game plan. When the facts were that the weather conditions were so bad in that game that they could not pass the ball with much success so they had to go with the run.

So, what you're saying is that because of the weather, they ran the ball the majority of the time instead of passing it?

And I thought the first poster said "you don't have to worry about that with NE. Never;" which is why I posted an example of how you COULD have to worry about that. Huh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yes you're right you can't say "never."

Oh, okay-that's what I thought.

[Houston Texans 10]

And... Youre still false.

No, I'm not. Bells said "You don't have to worry about that [the Pats running more than they throw] with the Patriots. Ever." Ever means "always or at any time." Therefore if there is even one example when you would have to worry about that, then that statement is not true.

 

One time constitutes actually trying to pinpoint the next game the pats will run the entire game?

Who said anything pinpointing when the Pats will run? I never did. Maybe you should try actually comprehending what is posting instead of assuming you know what it means.

 

The point is it happens sooo little that you don't need to worry about it.

No, the point is the original poster said it NEVER happened, and I proved that it can.

 

There may be one instance where they ran it more but i would stick with brady and not bring up that point again because it's pointless.

Okay, I got it. It's pointless to demonstrate that in horrible weather, the Pats could decide to change their game plan. That way if someone has to decide between Brady in crappy weather and Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Newton etc in perfect weather, they'll have the flawed belief that the Pats will NEVER change their game plan.

 

That's great advice.

[The Hood 9]

 

"Neek" can feel a little better since we found someone crazier.

[Neek 0]

FWIW, Dave Richard and Nathan Zegura agree with Newton over Brady this week, while Jamey Eisenberg says Brady is the play:

 

http://2tfl.football.cbssports.com/news/15691107

 

Just more discussion

[patweisers44 745]

There are a few FF standards that folks around here live by:

 

*McNair > Pennington

*No trade Vetos

*Doorbell....family....face

*Never bench Stephen Davis, i.e. never bench your studs.

 

Cam has had 4 really good weeks, but he's not earned the title of "everyweek stud" yet.

[Neek 0]

There are a few FF standards that folks around here live by:

 

*McNair > Pennington

*No trade Vetos

*Doorbell....family....face

*Never bench Stephen Davis, i.e. never bench your studs.

 

Cam has had 4 really good weeks, but he's not earned the title of "everyweek stud" yet.

 

I'm not claiming he's an every week starter. But instead of Brady vs. the Jets...maybe.

[Antiramie 50]

NBB...Never Bench Brady

[Neek 0]

Well I should be OK. Up by 82 points going into tonight and my opponent has Rodgers, Starks, and Roddy White. So no nad kicks and no cookies are likely to be sent. However I did leave 8 points on the board by starting Brady over Cam Newton.

[Bui 1]

Brady's point totals trend:

 

Wk 1: 34

Wk 2: 28

Wk 3: 23

Wk 4: 17

Wk 5: 14

 

.....Week 6, 10 points? Wtf is up with this severe downward spiral... it's really concerning me.

[Houston Texans 10]

They could come out running, having decided that their best defense against NO is to keep Brees off the field. I doubt it, but it's possible. You don't have to worry about that with the Patriots. Ever.

 

I say again, Oh, really?

 

More runs than passes, because the Jets were game-planning to stop the NE spread, BB decided to "come out running," especially in the 2nd half.

 

It's a good idea not to use absolute statements like "always" or "never." They will often come back and bite you in the ass.

[Axe Elf 0]

Crazy like a fox.

 

 

Once again, Axe Elf stands alone as the sole fount of fantasy wisdom, like a lighthouse above the rocks of popular folly, leading anyone who will attend to his light through the narrow straits of lineup pitfalls into the safe harbor of championship strategies.