Putting the call in - T Williams and E Sanders both finish top 25

[FenixTx972 2]

My guess is Welker won't move from the slot, which leaves E Sanders as a starting WR for the NFLs top offense. He's currently ranked #56WR, projected for 600 yards 4 TDs, a basement Tier 5. The former WR2 in Denver, Decker, finished 2013 with nearly 1300 yards and 11 TDs

 

 

T Williams is a talented 6'2 WR, and will be single covered with Dez and Witten on the field as well"Williams flashed big-play potential, and his 16.7 yards per catch ranked fifth among receivers with at least 40 catches, behind only Josh Gordon, Riley Cooper, Calvin Johnson and Torrey Smith" - ESPN. FFToday has TWill projected for 700 yards and 4 TDs.

Scott Linehan is calling the plays in Dallas.

 

Targeting them going into ALL drafts. Hope my FFToday bros do too.

 

 

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

I agree. Not much else to say.

[FenixTx972 2]

I agree. Not much else to say.

Smart man.

What's some other sleepers?

[IGotWorms 4,022]

Emmanuel Sanders, yes.

 

Terrance Williams, I dunno, he may be too damn dumb to become a consistent threat.

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

Smart man.

What's some other sleepers?

Well I'll continue to promote him where I can but Marvin Jones is a great value right now

[rholio 339]

Agreed on Sanders.

[Matt Mueller 146]

E. Sanders is criminally under-projected here.

 

46-653-4?

[Matt Mueller 146]

I picked up Sanders in the off season in dynasty on waivers and spent the off season shopping him as a FA. I was taking a song for him and no one was biting but I've come around.

 

Denver didn't only lose decker they lost Moreno and his 60 receptions.

 

Surely Ball is going to fill in but that's a huge loss of passing production.

 

Early reports are that sanders is being moved all over the formation. He may arguably be a better fit for Denver's offense then decker by providing home run speed and yac.

 

Looking further down the road Welker is FA in 2015 and I think Denver will fully see what they have in Sanders as a possible replacement with Latimer waiting the wings.

 

Bottom line Denver lost 2 pieces that accounted for 87-1228-11 and 60-548-3.

 

That's a ton of production. I think Sanders gets his.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

I still believe Welker will be the guy in the slot this year.

 

One sleeper that i have on every team I can get my hands on, A.J. Jenkins. Bowe just isn't as good as people thought he would be after that huge 15 td season. Alex Smith is in a contract year and will have his best year statistically imo, even better than last year. He is good at spreading the ball around but his most dynamic weapon is going to be Jenkins. He is my deep sleeper, pretty much can be had for next to nothing anywhere.

[weepaws 3,006]

Lol at them rankings . Where did you find them ranking?

[FenixTx972 2]

Lol at them rankings . Where did you find them ranking?

 

http://www.fftoday.com/

 

Most websites have them around the same range.

[FenixTx972 2]

E. Sanders is criminally under-projected here.

 

46-653-4?

 

ESPN has 970 and 5.

[FenixTx972 2]

Emmanuel Sanders, yes.

 

Terrance Williams, I dunno, he may be too damn dumb to become a consistent threat.

 

Valid point. Stupidity is something I didn't calculate

[OrangeSoda 2]

Im a denver homer - and im still not sold on the hype for Sanders. Does he have a great opportunity - yeah - but i think Defs now know you play denvers WRs Physical other wise you get burned. Sanders is half of Eric deckers size, and welker and JT already preoccupy all the open space short slot routes. Sanders still may have a stat line of 900 yrds and 5 Tds, but i have feeling a lot of that will be wrapped up in 3 games or so, and not consistent throughout the year?

 

Just my 2 cents...

[Matt Mueller 146]

^ I kinda feel that. Even if you look at Decker's game log last year 6 tds and a whole bunch of yards came in 2 games.

 

Don't discount the speed Sanders will add to the team though. Decker was a 4.54 guy and Welker 4.65 going the wrong direction.

 

Sanders brings 4.41 speed, and to highlight your point about Seattle playing them physical, having 2 4.4 guys along with the mismatches that JT and Welker are may just open everything up more.

 

 

I think my point is that for whatever Denver may have lost with Decker's size and they may have gained more with Sanders speed and versatility.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Valid points. Right now im in the wait and see mode for these two. Depending on how they do in camp and preseason will determine if I am targeting them or not.

[DrG 102]

"AJ Jenkins" A sleeper? LOl

[tanatastic 2,062]

I agree with both. TWill especially, he was good last year and should get better.

[ckleinhe 2]

i like terrance williams better than sanders. first, t-will is clearly the #2 wr on a good offense, and the #3 target after Dez/Witten, that can probably improve under scott linehan. i can definitely see him having a great season.

 

as for sanders, he hasn't impressed so far, including last year when he had lots of opportunity with no mike wallace or markus wheaton around. roethlisberger definitely < manning, but he is a decent qb. that's a red flag to me. then in denver, which i know can support a lot of players from a fantasy perspective, you've got plenty of other established targets in demaryius, julius, and welker. sanders starts off as the fourth target probably, plus denver drafted cody latimer. sanders basically has to be good enough to keep latimer off the field and siphon targets away from welker. i do think he'll have a solid season but maybe not top 25.

[Gratefulegg1973 261]

As a Pittsburgh homer, Sanders sucks. Small, not great hands, and always injured. He may put up some numbers with Manning, but I wouldn't expect anything more than a WR3/WR4 season.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Good stuff. I just don't think he needs to siphon targets though.

 

Moreno had 74 targets last year. More than Gio.

 

Decker had 136. More than Fitz for reference.

 

That's 200+ targets. Say ball takes all of Morenos and gets 75 that's still 125 un accounted for.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

"AJ Jenkins" A sleeper? LOl

i think its funny that you dismiss the guy that has the best shot to start for the team this year. He ended on a good note last year, and this is only his third in the league. The biggest concern is his lack of commitment from what i have read. That could easily change.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

Jenkins is 6' and ran a 4.39 40. Sanders is 1-2 inches shorter and slower. Sanders plays with manning i admit, but the reason some players like jenkins get automatically dismissed is beyond me.

 

How come no one is loling at devonta freeman? Dude just isnt very talented.

[Criper 24]

Can't argue with T. Williams. Should have no trouble pushing 1k yards receiving in that offense.

 

Sanders on the other hand, I've been all over the place on trying to project. Yeah, there are a lot of targets to replace in Decker and Moreno, but the Broncos won't chuck it nearly as often as they did last year and there is no reason why Ball shouldn't get most, if not all, of the targets left behind by Moreno. Orange Julius is going to see more targets with the departure of Decker as the Broncos will continue to take advantage of the mismatches that JT provides and there have already been reports that they are looking for more creative ways to use JT this year. I see a slight statistical jump in JT's numbers provided he stays healthy. Demaryius is remarkably consistent in his numbers, so I don't see a big statistical jump in his numbers, however he may see a few more TDs in the redzone due to the loss of Decker.

 

Obviously Sanders and Decker are not the same type of receiver, and Latimer was drafted to replace Decker with an eye towards 2015, when Welker most likely departs and Sanders kicks inside to the slot. For this year however, Sanders should play mostly on the outside unless Welker gets hurt, but I can't see Sanders making the same impact that Decker did in this offense, however I am interested to see how the Broncos plan to use Sanders in the preseason as he's obviously not the physical receiver that Decker is on the outside. To me, it almost feels like Sanders is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole since his game is so different from Decker's, which is why I hope the preseason tells us something about Sanders. Right now, I have a hard time projecting more than the current projection I have for Sanders (69-894-7), which would still be career highs for Sanders.

[lesjroza 70]

If I would have known you were after a song Mull we could have done business but it wasn't clear.

I sing a mean version of "I like Big Butts"

 

It think Criper hit the nail on the head with very tough to project. I do think he is the kind of guy that if he starts off hot you want to sell him, he is defensible once people figure out how he will be used.

I'm not a "Latimer in 2014 guy" but Its very possible he takes red zone snaps away from Sanders at some point in the year.

 

That is, if Sanders even gets RZ snaps at the start, I could see them lining up big instead with a TE plus J.T. in the slot, flashing run with Ball and then play action to DT, JT.

[Matt Mueller 146]

I feel like I have taken on the token role of pushing the Sanders bus so I'll keep it moving.

This is a pretty solid article talking up the Sanders scheme fit and how it might possibly be an upgrade?

http://milehighmaniac.com/2014/07/05/emmanuel-sanders-u/

[Matt Mueller 146]

I kind of think Sanders will be a piece they move all around the formation. Probably not a full down player and Les as you mentioned might not get some redzone looks. He actually shouldn't really with all other options there...

 

But if he's seeing a ton of single coverage he has the speed to get deep and make big plays and the quickness to play in the screen game as well.

 

 

This isn't much to see but here's a 56 yard td on a 3rd and 2 where Sanders burned Chrome. He had 5 yards on him easy.

 

I think if you get defenses having to 'worry about' everyone else..I almost think Sanders can 'get lost' in the Denver scheme and hit on some big plays.

 

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Steelers-at-Jets-Emmanuel-Sanders-55-yd-touchdown/7da91792-3a15-48ec-bd0d-63dec99b466a

[BobSanders_33 127]

'I have a hard time valuing Sanders but not a hard time valuing the WR2 position in the Denver offense. I'm targeting Sanders as my WR2 along with Williams/Cooks and then hedging my bet and taking Latimer a round or even two early.

[lesjroza 70]

'I have a hard time valuing Sanders but not a hard time valuing the WR2 position in the Denver offense. I'm targeting Sanders as my WR2 along with Williams/Cooks and then hedging my bet and taking Latimer a round or even two early.

 

This is not really hedging a bet in this case IMO. If anything there is a more reasonable chance the 2 could end up sharing snaps along the way rather than Latimer winning the job outright, in which case you end up with 2 marginal pieces.

Sanders value is going to come down to where he sits in the pecking order of targets, not whether he stays healthy or loses his job to Latimer so its not a clear handcuff that will necessarily have a significant benefit if the handcufee tanks.

I'm not saying the idea of taking one, the other, or even both is unreasonable, just not loving the hedge reasoning.

Not hating just offering another point of view. I had the same thoughts and ruled it out.

[Raider 84 29]

Peyton most likely won't throw 55 tds this year. If he has 40-42 tds, which is still great, 13-15 tds have to be taken away from someone. I think Sanders will have 6-7 tds.

[jdon 28]

I want to believe in Williams but I am not quiet sold...

he definitely seems to have some value as a high upside guy I guess... but i lack faith in Romo and I wonder if there are enough targets out there for williams...

jdon

 

[tanatastic 2,062]

Just take guys with good qbs. Honestly most wrs production comes from their QB and Oline, there are very few wrs who determine their own stats based on their talent, maybe 5-10 in the whole league. You can take a great wr and stick him on a bad team with a crap qb and all of a sudden we are saying he sucks. Conversely, you take a guy and put him with peyton and all of a sudden hes talented and productive. Its mostly the Qbs guys, wrs are just mostly just fast guys who can catch. You think welker is a stud without Peyton and Brady? How did Stokely do when he had 1000 10 w peyton then cashed in elsewhere? Whoever is with peyton and rodgers is the guy ill take. So sign me up for Boykin and sanders as late round wr fillers.

[vrabinec 19]

No way on Sanders. I just went through the whole scenario in the "WHo are you gambling on this year?" thread. Sanders is NOT a front line receiver. That's why Denver already has Latimer running with the first team. Sanders will get the 4th receiver numbers in Denver. They'll split 150-170 targets, with Latimer getting 60%-70% of those, and ALL of the red zone plays included in those targets because of his size.

 

At this point, I'd say Latimer will end up with 1000 yards and 8 TDs, Sanders will end up with 500 yards and 3 TDs

 

Williams, I think his numbers go up, but not into the stratosphere. He'll definitely top 1000 yards, but I'm not sure he gets double digit TDs

[tiggo25 4]

I dunno about Sanders. Do you think Manning will throw for 55 tds again? I think he'll have a great year, but 55 TDs on 450 receptions doesn't look repeatable to me. He's also playing the NFC West this year.

 

I still say Manning will have a excellent year but looking at 40-45 tds. That's at least 10 tds less than last year. Someone will be losing those tds. I think Sanders with 4-5 TDs sounds about right.

[snatchit 108]

ya I read Jenkins looks way better than Sanders

[philmckracken 3]

No way on Sanders. I just went through the whole scenario in the "WHo are you gambling on this year?" thread. Sanders is NOT a front line receiver. That's why Denver already has Latimer running with the first team. Sanders will get the 4th receiver numbers in Denver. They'll split 150-170 targets, with Latimer getting 60%-70% of those, and ALL of the red zone plays included in those targets because of his size.

 

At this point, I'd say Latimer will end up with 1000 yards and 8 TDs, Sanders will end up with 500 yards and 3 TDs

 

Williams, I think his numbers go up, but not into the stratosphere. He'll definitely top 1000 yards, but I'm not sure he gets double digit TDs

^^This. Last year Latimer had ONE drop in 119 targets last year. Manning will come to love him.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Is Welker a front line WR? His first season worked out pretty ok. I could poke holes in his week to week production but on a whole? Pretty good.

 

All the signs are pointing to Latimer taking over outside long term with Welker probably being released and Sanders shifting inside.

 

Is Denver not going to at least see if Sanders is up to the task before letting Welker walk?

 

Will Welker miss more games with concussions?

 

I don't have the answers but saying Sanders will not have have a chance to produce bc of reports that Latimer is running limited in OTAs seems shortsighted to me.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Some of this come down to offensive scheme stuff too.

 

Chicago ran an offense with 2 massive beasts on the outside and tossed it up frequently to them. Jeffery on a 50-50 deep ball? Sure all day.

 

Some teams like the Pats run a bunch of little white dudes out there for timing patterns and mismatches.

 

One of the key reasons Denver lost in the Super Bowl is that no one aside from DT was beating press coverage. They couldn't get open fast enough before Manning was engulfed.

 

If the key to them 'fixing' that possible issue is to throw a big bodied great at winning 50-50 balls rookie redzone presence into the mix maybe that's what they do.

 

Or maybe they find ways to use Sanders speed in different spots on the field in a variety of situations.

 

I don't know. I'm just saying.

[Boilermaker04 11]

Do you remember once upon a time we argued over who was the player to own, Sanders or Brown?

Brown won, because Sanders just isn't that good.

A great situation / opportunity will make up for some of that, and it's not like you would be burning a high pick for him....but I'd keep digging.

[Matt Mueller 146]

^ Brown had 1,000 yards in his 2nd year...he was pretty great early on. I am not making Sanders out to be any world beating talent. He might just be a nice player in a good situation. Or maybe a mediocre player who will fail to take advantage of a nice situation.

 

Make of this stuff what you will:

 

It’s all about space for Sanders, a thought that apparently already has Denver GM John Elway giddy over all of the possibilities. When recently asked how Sanders might be used, Elway gushed over his new addition, saying, “He can play anywhere. He can play inside, he can be outside. He’s explosive…great separation skills. He can do it all.”

 

http://milehighmaniac.com/2014/03/22/2014-fantasy-outlook-denver-broncos-wr-emmanuel-sanders/

 

 

There's there's the thought that Sanders might not have been a great compliment to Brown. Brown himself isn't really a true #1 and maybe Sanders wasn't good enough on his own to consistently win on the other side.

 

'I’m not saying that me and (Steelers wide receiver) Antonio Brown didn’t complement each other, but I feel like we’re too much of the same,’’ Sanders said. “D.T. (Demaryius Thomas) is a big receiver. He’s a big, physical receiver and I’m a more a smaller, quick, faster receiver that can stretch the field.'

 

http://fansided.com/2014/06/02/emmanuel-sanders-better-fit-denver-broncos-eric-decker/#!biLMxg

 

In Pitt last year defenses had to worry about Brown, Cotchery, and a post ACL Miller. Denver it's gonna be both Thomas's and Welker. I think the focus will be completely off him and he could benefit...unlike if he went to the Jets or something.

 

Any who at some point I will stop sticking up for the guy.