Consensus thinking: QB edition

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

Just heard the Bucs are projected to take Jameis Winston next draft. Why? They have Mike Glennon. I think he has played well with a bad Bucs team, especially for this only being his second year, and while not getting first team attention in training camp.

 

Some qbs just never get a fair shake, while other qbs become media darlings where the media tries to tell us they are going to be good, like Carr and Bortles.

 

A lot of fans get right back on board too. Most on here think both of those qbs are going to be good. What happens if/when they bust?

[murf74 461]

Just heard the Bucs are projected to take Jameis Winston next draft. Why? They have Mike Glennon. I think he has played well with a bad Bucs team, especially for this only being his second year, and while not getting first team attention in training camp.

 

Some qbs just never get a fair shake, while other qbs become media darlings where the media tries to tell us they are going to be good, like Carr and Bortles.

 

A lot of fans get right back on board too. Most on here think both of those qbs are going to be good. What happens if/when they bust?

 

Glennon has and is still getting a raw deal. You are right, in his rookie year he ran circles around Bortles and Carr but all we hear is they need a new QB.

[Showboat 246]

Having a bad team is no excuse. If the QB isn't making the team better (i.e. winning games), he will not last. First round picks obviously get a little longer leash - usually into their second of third season - that's just the way it is. If guys like Brady, Warner and even Wilson hadn't won right away, they probably would've been replaced with a prospect coming out of college.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,044]

Having a bad team is no excuse. If the QB isn't making the team better (i.e. winning games), he will not last. First round picks obviously get a little longer leash - usually into their second of third season - that's just the way it is. If guys like Brady, Warner and even Wilson hadn't won right away, they probably would've been replaced with a prospect coming out of college.

 

good point, see Brees-Rivers

[gtthom86 5]

anytime a team drafts in the top three, they are going to look at the potential franchise QBs. its almost the only place you can find one, since they rarely hit the open market or are traded - and outside of a few REALLY crappy franchises, your probably not going to be drafting from the 1,2, or 3 hole more than once a decade.

 

mike glennon is not a good enough to dissuade the bucs from taking a shot on the potential of a mariota or winston type talent

[Frozenbeernuts 1,883]

anytime a team drafts in the top three, they are going to look at the potential franchise QBs. its almost the only place you can find one, since they rarely hit the open market or are traded - and outside of a few REALLY crappy franchises, your probably not going to be drafting from the 1,2, or 3 hole more than once a decade.

 

mike glennon is not a good enough to dissuade the bucs from taking a shot on the potential of a mariota or winston type talent

I understand wanting to take a shot at a high profile guy, even with glennon on the roster, but jameis winston? Head case that doesnt seem like a consistently elite passer, which almost all top qbs in the nfl were in college. Just some qbs didnt get the same spotlight.

[DaBeerz 88]

Just heard the Bucs are projected to take Jameis Winston next draft. Why? They have Mike Glennon. I think he has played well with a bad Bucs team, especially for this only being his second year, and while not getting first team attention in training camp.

 

Some qbs just never get a fair shake, while other qbs become media darlings where the media tries to tell us they are going to be good, like Carr and Bortles.

 

A lot of fans get right back on board too. Most on here think both of those qbs are going to be good. What happens if/when they bust?

 

Winston has all the signs of being a huge bust. If he does go #1 overall, he will be a huge bust who never lives up to the pick, I'll say that right now. How many red flags does he have to throw up for teams to avoid taking the risk?

[Gepetto 1,192]

No one knows what the Bucaneers are going to do in the draft. I would disregard any reports claiming what a team is going to do in a draft.

[DaBeerz 88]

No one knows what the Bucaneers are going to do in the draft. I would disregard any reports claiming what a team is going to do in a draft.

 

Well especially with the season only being 2/3 complete and we don't even know what each teams final draft spot would be.

 

Regardless, I don't have any pity for a team that takes Winston with a top 10 pick, I think it's a huge mistake.

[JT 137]

There is no consensus thinking because the majority of fans are unable to look at their own team pragmatically, and others are so enamored of stats and fantasy performance that they can't look past that to the real world.

 

If it's your team, it "gives them a better chance to win" and the guy tossed aside can't play.

 

If it's another team, that can quickly become "they have a bad organization and haven't given the kid a chance".

 

If he's on your ff team, it depends on what he did last game and who is on the waiver wire.

 

That aside, I would HATE to be part of a business, any business, that abandoned as many top- level decisions as quickly as NFL teams do. Inept management won't be overcome, even by talent.

[weepaws 3,006]

Let's,see it is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers . Enough said

[gtthom86 5]

I understand wanting to take a shot at a high profile guy, even with glennon on the roster, but jameis winston? Head case that doesnt seem like a consistently elite passer, which almost all top qbs in the nfl were in college. Just some qbs didnt get the same spotlight.

 

 

when i said "mariota or winston type" i wasn't referring to either specifically, but to the one, two or three top QB prospects that come out in any given year. QB is so important, that the value of great players at that position is extremely high so GMs are gonna reach at guys that have the talent to possibly be a great franchise guy. You have to be really, really bad to have a shot an elite qb prospect. So when teams end up in the 1 through 3 slot, and there is a potential franchise guy avialable teams will more often or not pull the trigger unless they are 100% set at the position.

 

rather or not its smart take a risk on someone with the character concerns that winston does is another story. i think it basically comes down to the fact QB is so hard to play at an elite level in the nfl, and you need a rare blend of altheleticism, talent, and intangibles, scouting a true franchise guy is tough since there are more NFL teams that guys who can actually do it. can't miss prospects like luck only come around once in a great, great while. so most years even drafting from the 1 spot entails huge risks (although less so than before the rookie wage scale).

 

on the topic of winston specifically, i agree i'd be scared as hell if my team drafted him. but if the kid finishes his season like he did last year, i'd think some team drafts him near the top of the draft.

 

but really, the season is not even close to being over, so the draft order is still any ones guess. heck the college season isn't even over, and perceived value of quarterback prospects can take drastic turns leading up to the draft - its too early to slot a specific guy to any team. however glennon has not shown enough to this point to stop the buccs from taking a quarterback at the top of the draft if they are at the podium and a elite QB is still on the board