***Official*** NBA Draft Thread 2015

[Herbivore 1,111]

 

I call bullsh!t. I am the most awesomest human idiot that has ever walked the face of the earth and am clearly more famous that that piddling indicator.

 

I thought it was low also..

[Artista 460]

Spurs reach deal to trade Tiago Splitter to Hawks, create cap space for LaMarcus Aldridge offer..

[phillybear 366]

Not since you stopped posting your good morning fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck off seriously rants years ago...

 

Those were repurposed into incoherent and mostly exasperated recaps on television episodes (LOST, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones). These are also more easily distributed to places outside of this site.

[Artista 460]

Danny Green agrees to four-year, $45 million deal to remain with Spurs.

[phillybear 366]

Curious. When Jordan signs with Dallas. Aldridge with San Antonio, Lopez with Nets, Gasol with Memphis, Love with Cleveland, and Monroe with Portland/NYKnicks, who exactly are the Lakers going to be trying to sign, since they took D'Angelo Russell and assumed they would get a big guy in free agency?

[KSB2424 3,148]

Curious. When Jordan signs with Dallas. Aldridge with San Antonio, Lopez with Nets, Gasol with Memphis, Love with Cleveland, and Monroe with Portland/NYKnicks, who exactly are the Lakers going to be trying to sign, since they took D'Angelo Russell and assumed they would get a big guy in free agency?

Kendrick Perkins

[The Moz 69]

Curious. When Jordan signs with Dallas. Aldridge with San Antonio, Lopez with Nets, Gasol with Memphis, Love with Cleveland, and Monroe with Portland/NYKnicks, who exactly are the Lakers going to be trying to sign, since they took D'Angelo Russell and assumed they would get a big guy in free agency?

Russell was the best pick they could have made and u know it..... ur just piseed u got stuck with Oakafor

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

Russell was the best pick they could have made and u know it..... ur just piseed u got stuck with Oakafor

This.

 

Who are the Sixers getting at point or 2?

[Cruzer 1,995]

We passed on Winslow for Kaminsky?????

 

Noooooooo!!!

You now know how I felt when the Mavs selected Bill Wennington back in '85.

[MDC 7,082]

Russell was the best pick they could have made and u know it..... ur just piseed u got stuck with Oakafor

I think Okafor would've been a much better pick. A team as bad as the Lakers needs to take the next franchise cornerstone. Maybe that's Russell? But Okafor was the better prospect according to just about every scout.

 

LA should be thinking about the future. Instead they're going to sign any big they can in the hopes to squeak into the playoffs. Their best case scenario is 7/8 seed and a first round ass kicking.

 

I'm not saying this as a Sixer fan. I just think LA is a poorly run franchise right now. What big is going to want to sign a max deal with the Lakers knowing it's Kobe's team, the cap goes up soon anyway and they have no shot at title contention?

[DankNuggs 305]

I think Okafor would've been a much better pick. A team as bad as the Lakers needs to take the next franchise cornerstone. Maybe that's Russell? But Okafor was the better prospect according to just about every scout.

 

LA should be thinking about the future. Instead they're going to sign any big they can in the hopes to squeak into the playoffs. Their best case scenario is 7/8 seed and a first round ass kicking.

 

I'm not saying this as a Sixer fan. I just think LA is a poorly run franchise right now. What big is going to want to sign a max deal with the Lakers knowing it's Kobe's team, the cap goes up soon anyway and they have no shot at title contention?

Plenty, max contract in a marquee city with great weather...

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

I think Okafor would've been a much better pick. A team as bad as the Lakers needs to take the next franchise cornerstone. Maybe that's Russell? But Okafor was the better prospect according to just about every scout.

 

LA should be thinking about the future. Instead they're going to sign any big they can in the hopes to squeak into the playoffs. Their best case scenario is 7/8 seed and a first round ass kicking.

 

I'm not saying this as a Sixer fan. I just think LA is a poorly run franchise right now. What big is going to want to sign a max deal with the Lakers knowing it's Kobe's team, the cap goes up soon anyway and they have no shot at title contention?

They can take a year deal knowing kobe is done soon and resign next year when the cap goes way up and Russell and Randle have a year under their belts.

[MDC 7,082]

They can take a year deal knowing kobe is done soon and resign next year when the cap goes way up and Russell and Randle have a year under their belts.

Why would they take a one year deal to play for a bad team with no shot at title contention? Kevin Love wants to win 35 games in nice weather?

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

Why would they take a one year deal to play for a bad team with no shot at title contention? Kevin Love wants to win 35 games in nice weather?

Well love happens to be from the Portland area no? (One of the rumored teams along with LA. altho he resigned with Cleveland anyway)

 

I'm just giving you the answEr. MAx contracts this year are not what they will be next year.

 

If you sign with the Lakers you're not signing to win a title this year wether you do a 1 year or multi year deal. You're not signing with 90 percent of teams in order to win a title this year anyway

 

You'd be signing to play in a certain market as the number 2 banana knowing that the top banana is near the end of the line and they have a pair of good young players in place with a cap that goes way up next year and allows the Lakers to bring in another max guy

[phillybear 366]

Russell was the best pick they could have made and u know it..... ur just piseed u got stuck with Oakafor

No, not at all. I am rooting for the Lakers to be as terrible as possible since the Sixers own the Lakers first round pick next draft, top 3 protected. I want them to whiff in free agency.

[MDC 7,082]

Well love happens to be from the Portland area no? (One of the rumored teams along with LA. altho he resigned with Cleveland anyway)

 

I'm just giving you the answEr. MAx contracts this year are not what they will be next year.

 

If you sign with the Lakers you're not signing to win a title this year wether you do a 1 year or multi year deal. You're not signing with 90 percent of teams in order to win a title this year anyway

 

You'd be signing to play in a certain market as the number 2 banana knowing that the top banana is near the end of the line and they have a pair of good young players in place with a cap that goes way up next year and allows the Lakers to bring in another max guy

I guess my question is, if you're going to sign a 1-year deal anyway why would you do it with a team that's not a title contender and can only offer one max contract? The Lakers with Love may not even be a playoff team.

[phillybear 366]

This.

 

Who are the Sixers getting at point or 2?

 

Doesn't matter for this season, no worries. . They are going to look at the kids on the roster to see what is there at guard and if they could be a part of the roster down the road. Hollis Thompson is the #2, Tony Wroten the #1. Sixers were actually booked on the national Jimmy Butler visit tour until Chicago ended the drama, so a free agent bid is a remote possibility, a lower level guy.

 

Bottom line, Sixers will have very likely 4 first round picks next season and possibly Saric coming over. That's when you can expect some effort at finding the future starting PG and SG and the switch gets flipped to "compete".

[phillybear 366]

Well love happens to be from the Portland area no? (One of the rumored teams along with LA. altho he resigned with Cleveland anyway)

 

I'm just giving you the answEr. MAx contracts this year are not what they will be next year.

 

If you sign with the Lakers you're not signing to win a title this year wether you do a 1 year or multi year deal. You're not signing with 90 percent of teams in order to win a title this year anyway

 

You'd be signing to play in a certain market as the number 2 banana knowing that the top banana is near the end of the line and they have a pair of good young players in place with a cap that goes way up next year and allows the Lakers to bring in another max guy

 

You would think a max free agent wants to go somewhere for a year where they could be the #1 option to showcase their talents going into another free agent year. A guy signing with the Lakers could be the fourth banana theoretically.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

 

You would think a max free agent wants to go somewhere for a year where they could be the #1 option to showcase their talents going into another free agent year. A guy signing with the Lakers could be the fourth banana theoretically.

 

how do you figure? lets say a guy like DeAndre Jordan signs with the lakers. He would be #1 talent wise and #2 on the billboard. Unless you think he's going to regress and Kobe is going to play forever... if not, then at worst he will probably be #2 there for a long long time IF Russell ends up being a perennial all star.

 

Jordan, Randle, Kobe, Russell..... not a bad sell to stay in the LA market.

 

plus, while you are correct that someone signing a 1 year deal wants to showcase their talents, next year when the cap goes up, their current team would still be able to offer more than any other team, no? So lets say DeAndre wants to be a Laker long term. Likes what they have in pieces and likes that Kobe will soon be out of the picture. He would then get the most money from the team he wants to be with anyway come 2016 free agency.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

I guess my question is, if you're going to sign a 1-year deal anyway why would you do it with a team that's not a title contender and can only offer one max contract? The Lakers with Love may not even be a playoff team.

 

because the cap goes up by a lot next season. And the team you're playing for can offer you more than any other team and still be able to probably bring in another max guy unless their cap situation is THAT bad. (disclaimer, I don't know how Kobes bad contract impacts the Lakers for NEXT season) but I have to assume that Randle and Russell still being cheap would allow a guy like DeAndre to resign and they can still bring in another high level FA.

 

Also, how many teams are really title contenders? It comes down to money for a lot of these guys.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

 

Doesn't matter for this season, no worries. . They are going to look at the kids on the roster to see what is there at guard and if they could be a part of the roster down the road. Hollis Thompson is the #2, Tony Wroten the #1. Sixers were actually booked on the national Jimmy Butler visit tour until Chicago ended the drama, so a free agent bid is a remote possibility, a lower level guy.

 

Bottom line, Sixers will have very likely 4 first round picks next season and possibly Saric coming over. That's when you can expect some effort at finding the future starting PG and SG and the switch gets flipped to "compete".

 

so with a log jam at 4 and 5 and not enough minutes to go around, how much on the dollar do the sixers get on whichever unproven big man (men) they trade away?

 

the current NBA is ruled by guards and athletic wings. Not big men.

[MDC 7,082]

Lakers striking out all over the place today. I hope they suck just enough to get the 4th pick and Okafor destroys them in both meetings.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

also i should note that i just using Jordan as an example. I think he likely ends up in Dallas

[phillybear 366]

What kind of bonehead would dare question our Lord and Savior Sam Hinkie for anything, including last week’s draft? What kind of meathead takes things at face value and doesn’t realize Sam is smarter than every other human being on this planet? Oh, that dummy is me. Who else can put an exclamation point at the end of the first day of free agency big news with a stunning trade where clearly he fleeced Sacramento.

 

!!Sauce Castillo!!

 

Sixers trade #47, #60 picks in 2015 draft and a future 2^nd round pick

 

Sacramento trades Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, Nik Stauskas, a first round pick in either 2018 or 2019 (top ten protected and pending conveyance to Chicago), and gives up right to Sixers to swap first round picks in 2016 and 2017.

 

Dear NBA:

 

When your front office is in shambles and you have an owner trying to fire his new coach, and a rookie GM, and Sam Hinkie is calling you, do not, and I can’t stress this enough, DO NOT PICK UP THE PHONE. You will suffer the same fate as Drew Barrymore in Scream if you pick up the mother focking phone. Sam Hinkie is coming. And he’s a bad mother focker. He’s going to wrap his c0ck in barbed wire and jam it right up your poop hole. Sacramento, Sacramento, what have you done?

 

Remember when I said I was disappointed in how the Sixers used their 2^nd round picks this year? Turns out, I think this deal was in place pre-draft. Hinkie does not trade down for Hezonja in the first round because he knows he has Stauskas in the pocket. He doesn’t force taking a guard at #3 and takes Okafor. He makes bizarre choices in the 2^nd because that is who Sacramento wanted him to select for them.

 

Sixers turned their 5 second round picks this year and one future second round pick into:

Nik Stauskas

Carl Landry

Jason Thompson

JP Tokoto

Richaun Holmes

1 future first round pick from Sacramento

2 future second round picks from NY Knicks

Rights to swap first round picks next two seasons with Sacramento

 

Landry or Thompson could be waived. Maybe not. We will know next week. Thompson is a local kid, so he might stick, went to college at Rider. Look, I know what everybody is thinking. Stauskas didn’t play well last year. Fair enough. He started playing well around March and finished the season strong. His 3 point shooting went from 26% pre All star break to 42% post All star break. He lost a competition with Ben McLemore for starting SG in preseason and lost his confidence. He suffered through a coaching change mid season. He was playing 15 minutes a game. The Sixers will give him minutes and shooting instruction and build up his confidence. Brett Brown and his developmental staff have done wonders with the shooting ability of their players over the past year to two years, especially the young guys. The only two guys whose shooting did not improve during that time, Michael Carter Williams and KJ McDaniels, were traded. Coincidence?

 

In a rare candid moment that the Sixers just do not give up publicly, during the last NBA season, Brett Brown was giving an after game press conference, around the time MCW was traded. He let slip that the Sixers plan last season going into the draft was to take Wiggins and Stauskas at #3 and #10. Then Embiid got injured, the draft shifted for everybody, and the plan went sideways. There was talk the Sixers were looking to move up from #10 to take somebody with the Sacramento pick at #7 last season, including trading MCW straight up for the Kings pick. It is clear that the Sixers have liked Stauskas for a while and now they got him. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t. Shame on Sacramento for giving up on a lottery pick after one season, but one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. There is a excellent chance he will be the starting SG for the Sixers this season.

 

The Sixers absorbed 15 million in salaries and pretty much the rest of the NBA is calling Sacramento stupid. For focks sake, the Sixers didn’t even have to give up Saric in the trade. Vlade, Vlade, Vlade, I’m just shaking my head. The owner must really want to win now badly if they did all that just to try to free up money to sign Rondo or Ellis or God knows what else.

 

The Sixers have acquired 6 lottery picks in the past 3 years, Nerlens Noel, Michael Carter Williams, Joel Embiid, Nik Stauskas, Dario Saric, Jahlil Okafor; they shipped out MCW for a highly probable upcoming lottery pick, but expect multiple lottery picks added next season. They have 4 first round picks next season most likely, the opportunity to swap with Sacramento on top of that. They have multiple shots at a top 3 lottery pick each of the next few seasons. Another first rounder from Sacramento coming up soon, and a hundred more second round picks. It’s stunning how many assets Hinkie has acquired so quickly.

 

If Houston remains in the hunt for Aldridge, the Sixers have talked with Houston about a salary dump involving Terrence Jones or Boris Diaw for considerations. Even after the Sacramento salary dump, the Sixers are still 20 million below the salary floor. They can eat a whole lot more bad money contracts and keep stockpiling draft picks.

[phillybear 366]

This.

 

Who are the Sixers getting at point or 2?

 

I think last night answered half of that question.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

 

I think last night answered half of that question.

Stauskas? . Not as bad as he was last year but not a great 2.

 

Good for you guys getting another 1st rounder but you took on another teams salary dump In case you didn't notice. There is no room on the team for Thompson or Landry unless you forgot about noel Embiid Okafor and saric.... so Landry might he waived. Thompson like you said might stick as a local kid... Stauskas Is not inspiring.

 

Time will tell all but this just feels like a 7 year process in a league where no other teams are waiting that long

[cbfalcon 825]

I do always enjoy the early days of NBA Free Agency. Early thoughts:

 

- I think my Mavericks will end up with Deandre Jordan. And when he agrees, I think Wesley Mathews will follow. I've read plenty on the Mathews injury, and hopefully it's a gamble worth taking..If those guys sign and are healthy, it vaults them back into tier 2 Contender status. Dallas would also need another PG on the cheap to go with Devin Harris (I'd actually like Jeremy Lin to pair with Mathews in the back court). And we would be short on depth. Hopefully some of that could be addressed by signing and trading Chandler to Phoenix, along with either Ellis or Rondo to wherever they end up. They have to S&T two of the 3 to be an over the cap team, which gives them their mid level exception to play with, etc.

 

- I like LaMarcus Aldridge, but count me as a guy that thinks he is being over rated a little bit. I think Bosh is a decent comparable in that he can get you 20 and 10 every night. But LA isn't the guy the crunchtime assassin that I think can carry you to a title. Now, put him on the Spurs in which the system and whose open truly dictates everything, and it works. Hell, I could even see Cyborg Duncan playing another 3 years if he is convinced they can be playing for titles while allowing guys like Kawai and Aldridge to carry the burden in the regular season.

 

- I think it's funny that the Lakers blew it with Aldridge because they let Kobe talk, and Kobe had the audacity to say "It'll be just like me with Gasol".

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

I hate kobe but you hve to admit he took gasol from a soft and infused some toughness He badly needed

[phillybear 366]

Stauskas? . Not as bad as he was last year but not a great 2.

 

Good for you guys getting another 1st rounder but you took on another teams salary dump In case you didn't notice. There is no room on the team for Thompson or Landry unless you forgot about noel Embiid Okafor and saric.... so Landry might he waived. Thompson like you said might stick as a local kid... Stauskas Is not inspiring.

 

Time will tell all but this just feels like a 7 year process in a league where no other teams are waiting that long

 

The Sixers were making moves around the trade deadline last year just to reach the salary floor; this year is more of the same of taking on bad contracts. Sure, it was a salary dump. That helps in reaching the salary cap floor. The Sixers will try to find even more salary dumps.

 

I found it interesting that 2 seasons ago the Sixers failed to reach the cap floor. What happens in that situation is the difference of actual team salary and the cap floor, whatever the total amount comes to, is split up amongst the active players on the roster. The players got a bonus check basically at the end of the year. Last year, the Sixers made moves to trade for JaVale McGee at the dealine and pick up Thomas Robinson off waiver just to reach the floor.

[MDC 7,082]

Stauskas? . Not as bad as he was last year but not a great 2.

 

Good for you guys getting another 1st rounder but you took on another teams salary dump In case you didn't notice. There is no room on the team for Thompson or Landry unless you forgot about noel Embiid Okafor and saric.... so Landry might he waived. Thompson like you said might stick as a local kid... Stauskas Is not inspiring.

 

Time will tell all but this just feels like a 7 year process in a league where no other teams are waiting that long

The Nets certainly aren't waiting that long. Billy King will make sure they're a middling playoff team in a bad conference with few assets and no shot at a title for 10 years.

 

He would never trade cap space for a role player and a future first. That's just not his style.

[cbfalcon 825]

I hate kobe but you hve to admit he took gasol from a soft ###### and infused some toughness He badly needed

I didn't watch Gasol nightly in Memphis, but he was a 20-9 guy there, and on the Lakers he was an 18-10 guy. I know he started winning, but did he play tougher for the Lakers? Or was he just a victim of "Tall white Euro that isn't super physical, so he must not play tough" rep.

 

I saw it for years with Dirk. Guy would horrifically roll ankles and be back 6 minutes later. I've sen him have his teeth knocked out.. I watched Tim Thomas get physical with him in the playoffs and call him a "pu**y" in a 2-2 series, only for Dirk to say nothing, but then go into assassin mode and put up 50 points on Thomas in that game.....When he got engaged to that con artist, the story went public just before a series against Denver, most dudes would have been embarrassed. Before that same series, Dirk humbly said Denver had some great defenders and he would just do his best. For that Charles Barkley called him a wimp and said Dirk's attitude should be one of "Nobody can guard me". Well, Dirk averaged 34 points, 11 rebounds, on 53% shooting that series, yet Barkley and others were stuck on his soft attitude still, despite what he did on the court.

 

I can come up with 10 stories like that, but because Dirk was a tall white Euro that didn't act cocky, people kept calling him soft. Then he carried a team to a title, and they said he wasn't soft anymore. Is it possible this is the same thing that happened to Gasol?

[Artista 460]

Shocked I tell you that Love is staying with Cleveland.. oh the drama that was.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Greg Monroe signs with.........The Milwakee Bucks.

 

Turns down same money from both Lakers and Knicks.

 

[MDC 7,082]

Greg Monroe signs with.........The Milwakee Bucks.

 

Turns down same money from both Lakers and Knicks.

 

Bucks also kept Middleton. They've had a nice offseason. Their new unis are focking awesome too.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

The Nets certainly aren't waiting that long. Billy King will make sure they're a middling playoff team in a bad conference with few assets and no shot at a title for 10 years.

 

He would never trade cap space for a role player and a future first. That's just not his style.

Again I'm not a billy.king fan but if you think the situation the nets are in is his fault rather than prokorov you are sadly mistaken.

 

The move to bring in KG and pierce was prokorov and I don't mind what they did as much as most people do. When you've already committed to deron aND JJ, binging in experienced veteran leaders with Lebron killing pasts was about the best they could do to go "all in". The bigger mistake was Deron in general.

[MDC 7,082]

Again I'm not a billy.king fan but if you think the situation the nets are in is his fault rather than prokorov you are sadly mistaken.

 

The move to bring in KG and pierce was prokorov and I don't mind what they did as much as most people do. When you've already committed to deron aND JJ, binging in experienced veteran leaders with Lebron killing pasts was about the best they could do to go "all in". The bigger mistake was Deron in general.

My point is that getting a future first plus last year's lottery pick for nothing at all is a great deal for the Sixers. But you wouldn't know that, because you're a fan of NY's redheaded stepchild franchise and Billy King is the worst GM ever.

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

 

I didn't watch Gasol nightly in Memphis, but he was a 20-9 guy there, and on the Lakers he was an 18-10 guy. I know he started winning, but did he play tougher for the Lakers? Or was he just a victim of "Tall white Euro that isn't super physical, so he must not play tough" rep.

 

I saw it for years with Dirk. Guy would horrifically roll ankles and be back 6 minutes later. I've sen him have his teeth knocked out.. I watched Tim Thomas get physical with him in the playoffs and call him a "pu**y" in a 2-2 series, only for Dirk to say nothing, but then go into assassin mode and put up 50 points on Thomas in that game.....When he got engaged to that con artist, the story went public just before a series against Denver, most dudes would have been embarrassed. Before that same series, Dirk humbly said Denver had some great defenders and he would just do his best. For that Charles Barkley called him a wimp and said Dirk's attitude should be one of "Nobody can guard me". Well, Dirk averaged 34 points, 11 rebounds, on 53% shooting that series, yet Barkley and others were stuck on his soft attitude still, despite what he did on the court.

 

I can come up with 10 stories like that, but because Dirk was a tall white Euro that didn't act cocky, people kept calling him soft. Then he carried a team to a title, and they said he wasn't soft anymore. Is it possible this is the same thing that happened to Gasol?

I guess it's possible but I wouldn't base it on stats from gasols Memphis days versus laker days. Kobe was the scorer so you wouldn't expect gadols numbers to go way up offensively. But I definitely think Kobe toughened him up.

[phillybear 366]

Sacramento creates cap space up to 26 million after the salary dump trade with Philadelphia last night so they can chase free agents.

 

Today Sacramento offers Monta Ellis 4 years, 48 million. Very quickly, Monta signs with Indiana for 4 years, 44 million. Yes, he took less money. What athlete does that? Other than to avoid that mess in Sacramento. Sacramento turns around and signs James Anderson to a contract. Yes, THE James Anderson. A guy the Sixers cut last preseason, a guy not good enough to make the Sixers roster last year. James Anderson played prestigious Lithuania brand basketball last year in some league with some barns they call basketball courts. Sauce Castillo is Lithuanian. It is all cosmically connected. I think one of the 2nd rounder Euros the Sixers coughed up yesterday played in Lithuania or something.

 

Oh, and Sacramento is in serious trouble now.

[Artista 460]

D-Wade staying with Heat!

[WhiteWonder 2,673]

Sacramento creates cap space up to 26 million after the salary dump trade with Philadelphia last night so they can chase free agents.

 

Today Sacramento offers Monta Ellis 4 years, 48 million. Very quickly, Monta signs with Indiana for 4 years, 44 million. Yes, he took less money. What athlete does that? Other than to avoid that mess in Sacramento. Sacramento turns around and signs James Anderson to a contract. Yes, THE James Anderson. A guy the Sixers cut last preseason, a guy not good enough to make the Sixers roster last year. James Anderson played prestigious Lithuania brand basketball last year in some league with some barns they call basketball courts. Sauce Castillo is Lithuanian. It is all cosmically connected. I think one of the 2nd rounder Euros the Sixers coughed up yesterday played in Lithuania or something.

 

Oh, and Sacramento is in serious trouble now.

 

any free agents signing with Philly so far? I havn't kept myself totally up to date.

 

 

edit: before you respond that god almighty hinkie isn't trying to sign any free agents until NEXT year, I would pose the question of what big fish is coming to philly next season..