svtballa 8 Posted September 9, 2015 In the 7 games he started last year he was a RB7 or higher 6 times. Full off season/Peyton Manning Offense/Kubiak system I feel sorry for all the people that passed on him. Im glad I didnt! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swampdonkey 5 Posted September 9, 2015 I think he's gonna do good, but why feel sorry for anyone who passed? If anyone passed on him they probably picked a more consistent high floor player, I don't think cj Anderson is worth the risk that comes with him. I mean if he fell to me in the third I would love him. Since when is 7 game statistics worth justifying a first round pick or top of second rd pick lol but I do think he'll do good things, I'm with ya there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,062 Posted September 9, 2015 In the 7 games he started last year he was a RB7 or higher 6 times. Full off season/Peyton Manning Offense/Kubiak system I feel sorry for all the people that passed on him. Im glad I didnt! I'm glad you and others didn't also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 9, 2015 In the 7 games he started last year he was a RB7 or higher 6 times. He was better than a 7th string RB. He was an RB1, in point of fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megatron's mom 6 Posted September 9, 2015 Guy is a stud. If he stays healthy hes a top 10 RB in a Kubiak offense no question. The worry I have is the word that Manning has looked horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegame 8 Posted September 9, 2015 Been bit by the "second half wonder" too many times to count. No thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted September 9, 2015 Been bit by the "second half wonder" too many times to count. No thanks. That's why you make sure you draft his backup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted September 9, 2015 People are still drafting bronco RBs high after all these years? Forget shanahan, last 3 years complete turnover at the position yearly. I would barely trade Hillman for CJ at this point. Sounds crazy but im almost serious. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted September 9, 2015 I think he's gonna do good, but why feel sorry for anyone who passed? If anyone passed on him they probably picked a more consistent high floor player, I don't think cj Anderson is worth the risk that comes with him. I mean if he fell to me in the third I would love him. Since when is 7 game statistics worth justifying a first round pick or top of second rd pick lol but I do think he'll do good things, I'm with ya there We see this every year. Some player had a great finish the prior season. Now they are a lock for top at that position. It rarely works out that way. I also think Hillman is going to hurt CJ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megatron's mom 6 Posted September 9, 2015 He carried that team at times last year while peyton struggled. I think he proves his worth this go around. I think people that have passed on him are trying to make them selves feel better. Kubiak is notorious for making average to above average guys fantasy relevant . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTL99 34 Posted September 9, 2015 CJ Anderson will be the bust of the year. All the suckers bought into the hype. Noobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 725 Posted September 9, 2015 well, I really dont think he will be worth his ADP (or auction value) whether he is a total bust remains to be seen. I just dont think he will be the RB stud he was projected to be. Recent comments from the coaches lead me to believe there is a chance this will be a committee. Without a doubt he will be the leader of this committee. anyhow When I look at all the facts, and look at the game tape, I just dont see a stud RB. I'm thinking Low end RB1 or high end RB2. not Stud RB1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 9, 2015 CJ Anderson will be the bust of the year. All the suckers bought into the hype. Noobs. I bought into the production on the field. When he plays football he scores tons of fantasy points. We saw this last year. That's not hype. I don't think you know what hype means. Maybe the word you're looking for is "expectation". I'm buying into the expectation he's going to continue to score lots of fantasy points. It's not like this guy is a rookie and we haven't seen him do anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 If Anderson was a lock for top 5, he would be a first round RB. People are drafing the following RB before Anderson: AP Lacy Bell Charles Lynch Sorry OP, he's not necessarily a lock for top 5, but if you had said top 10, I'd agree. The issue is Hillman and even Thompson are capable backs as well and may vulture carries/GL carries (Thompson is a bigger back). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 9, 2015 If Anderson was a lock for top 5, he would be a first round RB. People are drafing the following RB before Anderson: AP Lacy Bell Charles Lynch Sorry OP, he's not necessarily a lock for top 5, but if you had said top 10, I'd agree. The issue is Hillman and even Thompson are capable backs as well and may vulture carries/GL carries (Thompson is a bigger back). Hillman isn't a goal line package type back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 Hillman isn't a goal line package type back. I was talking about Thompson. Again it's all speculation. Hillman is a 3rd down back kind of guy to spell CJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted September 9, 2015 We see this every year. Some player had a great finish the prior season. Now they are a lock for top at that position. It rarely works out that way. I also think Hillman is going to hurt CJ? You mean like A Foster following his rookie year..under Kubialk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted September 9, 2015 If Anderson was a lock for top 5, he would be a first round RB. People are drafing the following RB before Anderson: AP Lacy Bell Charles Lynch Sorry OP, he's not necessarily a lock for top 5, but if you had said top 10, I'd agree. The issue is Hillman and even Thompson are capable backs as well and may vulture carries/GL carries (Thompson is a bigger back). Does it matter where he is drafted? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted September 9, 2015 You mean like A Foster following his rookie year..under Kubialk Maybe, I don't remember the details of that. Who was the prior year starter that Kubiak raved about the following preseason? I guess if he was comparable to Hillman you could say they are the same situations. Even if they are does that mean history has to play out the same way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted September 9, 2015 Does it matter where he is drafted? Yes it does since we are still in the preseason. If the consensus was he is a top 5 lock he would have been drafted as a top 5 RB. That is the flaw in the OPs statement. He may feel CJ is a top 5 but the majority of the FF community does not (or he would be drafted as such). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beyond Chaos 75 Posted September 9, 2015 There is no such thing as a lock in the NFL. How quickly some are to forget that Hillman was above Anderson on the depth chart until an injury allowed for Anderson to step up. It wasn't because Hillman was a worse player. Anderson may have a good season, but I think there is too great a chance Hillman will be taking some of his carries. There's too much of a chance that Denver turns into a RBBC if it's not already for my liking. But who knows, Anderson may prove to be the one and only there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted September 9, 2015 Kubiak doesn't rbbc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 20 Posted September 9, 2015 He's not a top 5 stud. Maybe top 10. Not buying that he's a "stud". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 725 Posted September 9, 2015 Denver also had someone who was supposed to be a top 5 lock last year. what was his name again????? lol anyhow, I have him ranked closer to #10. Not that it matters. he went in my league way earlier than he should have and someone else made him their problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted September 9, 2015 The experts here have him ranked 7th and 3rd, which is an average of 5. Bam! All fantasy football is, is simple math and it does not lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 725 Posted September 9, 2015 yes, and we can probably find enough experts to justify any value we want. I suppose if we got a few more experts we could move that average up to 4 or down to 7, it just comes down to finding the experts whose opinion supports our opinion. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 Does it matter where he is drafted? Yeah, if the OP says he's going to be top 5, I think the 5 mentioned above him have a better chance of staying in the top 5. I just don't see the value in picking CJ first round, I'd go for something else, but I don't think it's a bad pick early in the second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaBeerz 88 Posted September 9, 2015 Denver also had someone who was supposed to be a top 5 lock last year. what was his name again????? lol anyhow, I have him ranked closer to #10. Not that it matters. he went in my league way earlier than he should have and someone else made him their problem. I owned that useless tit Ball last year, and it nuked my season all season long I struggled to find RBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 462 Posted September 9, 2015 I passed on CJ drafting from spot #8, and picked up Dez instead. CJ was then available to me coming back around in Round 2; pick #17. Later, I picked up Hillman. I feel pretty good about CJ @ #17. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted September 9, 2015 I passed on CJ drafting from spot #8, and picked up Dez instead. CJ was then available to me coming back around in Round 2; pick #17. Later, I picked up Hillman. I feel pretty good about CJ @ #17. Perfect, you got the best case scenario there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMMensaMind 462 Posted September 9, 2015 Perfect, you got the best case scenario there. Yeah, I've had three drafts (you saw the first one). My others went better, drafting from the #8 spot and #12 spot (in which my keeper was OBJ). I'll probably put up the lineups to get opinions later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Socnorb11 7 Posted September 9, 2015 There is no such thing as a lock in the NFL. How quickly some are to forget that Hillman was above Anderson on the depth chart until an injury allowed for Anderson to step up. It wasn't because Hillman was a worse player. Anderson may have a good season, but I think there is too great a chance Hillman will be taking some of his carries. There's too much of a chance that Denver turns into a RBBC if it's not already for my liking. But who knows, Anderson may prove to be the one and only there. Hillman wasn't a good pass blocker, and wasn't an effective running back. That's why he never got his job back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Socnorb11 7 Posted September 9, 2015 Denver also had someone who was supposed to be a top 5 lock last year. You're completely ignoring the Kubiak factor. The Kubiak factor alone makes CJ Anderson worth his ADP. Steve Slaton (who?) averaged over 16 fantasy points per game under Kubiak in 2009 and 2010. Clinton Portis rushed for 5.5. yards per carry in his first 2 seasons (under Kubiak), and never topped 4.3 yards per carry after he left Denver. I don't need to tell you how good Arian Foster was under Kubiak. Forsett was a 29 year old journeyman running back going into last year, and Kubiak's zone blocking scheme turned him into a RB8. If you look at the history of Peyton Manning running backs, they have averaged 6th best in the league in fantasy points per game. CJ Anderson averaged 24 fantasy points per start without Kubiak last year. Everything points to a tremendous fantasy year for CJ Anderson. Maybe it won't happen, but if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's no reason to not call it a duck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cousinal111 57 Posted September 9, 2015 Hillman wasn't a good pass blocker, and wasn't an effective running back. That's why he never got his job back. Thank you, someone finally speaking the truth here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,859 Posted September 9, 2015 I drafted CJ as the 6th (I think) RB off the board at 11 overall and got Hillman in the 13th. My big concern isn't a time share because I think Hillman is a pure change of pace runner and not a goal line back. My big concern is that Peyton falls off so much that Denver's O on the whole doesn't produce the same amount of opportunities. That said, after the top 5 RBs / Top 3 WRs and Rogers / Luck were off the board CJ seemed like a gamble worth taking. Kubiak is a great RB coach who tends to favor bell cow backs and assuming Peyton has one more big year left CJ could easily be a 1,500 yard / double digit TD back. At the 1-2 turn that's pretty good value. I feel better taking him at 11 and hedging my bets with a deep RB roster than I would have drafting AP or Bell in the Top 3-4. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beyond Chaos 75 Posted September 9, 2015 Kubiak doesn't rbbc And you're wrong: But there's something different about the San Diego State product now. As the offense as a whole searches for consistency in a tweaked scheme, Hillman appears more comfortable than ever before. "He’s moved himself up. He’s had a really good camp," Head Coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's game. "... He deserves more reps and if he keeps playing like that he’ll continue to get some more." Kubiak has always noted that he won't strictly have No. 1 and No. 2 running backs; instead, they will be 1 and 1a. The best example of how that worked for him came in the 2011 season with the Houston Texans, when backup Ben Tate had 175 carries -- 62.9 percent as many as first-teamer Arian Foster. They combined for 2,166 yards and the Texans sprinted to their first division title. The No. 2 back will play -- and he could see a lot of work. from: http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/As-Ronnie-Hillman-flourishes-he-focuses-on-the-job-in-front-of-him/368ffd6d-2466-4052-97e3-abee3082965b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 10, 2015 And you're wrong: But there's something different about the San Diego State product now. As the offense as a whole searches for consistency in a tweaked scheme, Hillman appears more comfortable than ever before. "He’s moved himself up. He’s had a really good camp," Head Coach Gary Kubiak said after Saturday's game. "... He deserves more reps and if he keeps playing like that he’ll continue to get some more." Kubiak has always noted that he won't strictly have No. 1 and No. 2 running backs; instead, they will be 1 and 1a. The best example of how that worked for him came in the 2011 season with the Houston Texans, when backup Ben Tate had 175 carries -- 62.9 percent as many as first-teamer Arian Foster. They combined for 2,166 yards and the Texans sprinted to their first division title. The No. 2 back will play -- and he could see a lot of work. from: http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/As-Ronnie-Hillman-flourishes-he-focuses-on-the-job-in-front-of-him/368ffd6d-2466-4052-97e3-abee3082965b Tate could pass protect. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,062 Posted September 10, 2015 Hillman avg 4.7 yards per rush in four games he started . That's good stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted September 10, 2015 The experts here have him ranked 7th and 3rd, which is an average of 5. Bam! All fantasy football is, is simple math and it does not lie. Awesome! Fantasy football is as simple as math and predictions. I'm going to take this to DFF and become a billionaire. Everything is a prediction at this point. Your "math" would say Doug Martin is a top 5 back, Monte Ball before that and so on and on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted September 10, 2015 http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110808190404/simpsons/images/thumb/e/e6/Jimmy_apollo.jpg/250px-Jimmy_apollo.jpg forum won't allow images but this is always what I think of when I see these kind of posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
