Dak Prescott stakes his claim to the cowboys backup QB job

[R8RMick 242]

Slap in the face, to who - you? The game had shifted, the landscape isn't the same - the RB position devalued while you were. watching other things. Murray was made a fair offer for what the value of the position. He was coming off a 392 touch season, at 27 - would have been risky to offer him what he wanted.. And to his credit - he found a team to pay his price, good for him.

 

You need a Zeke Elliot to get the utmost out of this line - really? This line is better than it was in 2014, and Zeke wasn't here - how it do? Oh that's right, it turned a 3 round, overlooked, injury prone rb out of OU and made him not only the league's leading rusher, they made him the Cowboys all time single season rushing leader... That's astounding considering Zeke was still at Ohio State.

 

Of the 20 rbs with at least 90 attempts this year, there are 5 averaging the same as Zeke in ypc.. Heck yea Zeke has been phenomenal - but those type guys, with inferior lines - couldn't do similar here? Only a Zeke can get yards behind this line - really?

 

Really? Because you're 6-1 and the best team in the NFC with Alf Morris or Darren McFragile? Right.

 

Downplay DeMarco all you want, and you do it so well, but dude is tearing it up and the second leading rusher in football. Oh yeah, sounds like he's washed up.

 

"Of the 20 RBs with at least 90 attempts, 5 are averaging 5 ypc..." Oh, you mean Shady McCoy, Spencer Ware, Ajayi, Jordan Howard, and Jeremy Hill? Those guys are better than Zeke? You're a funny guy. Not that you're a clown and you amuse me, but that you make me laugh.

 

Let's take a look at different numbers. Instead of 90 carries, how about we shoot for 150? Because of the fellow RBs along with Elliott that have 150 carries, none avg 5 yds. In fact here's the breakdown :

 

DeMarco 4.7 ypc

David Johnson 4.5 ypc

Lamar Miller 4.2 ypc

Blount 3.8 ypc

Forte 3.5 ypc

 

Those numbers are more telling of what this kid is doing. Not only is Elliott leading the league in rushing, but he carries the mail with 22 carries per game. Of his 159 total carries, 43 have gone for 1st downs. That means on 27% of the time Zeke Elliott carries the ball he's busting out a first down. That's a sick number, and it basically allows what would otherwise be a sad sack .500 team to be the best in the NFC.

 

However, with respect to your being the expert on the Cowboys here, and I'm earnest with that, I will digress.

[Cruzer 1,994]

Really? Because you're 6-1 and the best team in the NFC with Alf Morris or Darren McFragile? Right.

 

Downplay DeMarco all you want, and you do it so well, but dude is tearing it up and the second leading rusher in football. Oh yeah, sounds like he's washed up.

 

"Of the 20 RBs with at least 90 attempts, 5 are averaging 5 ypc..." Oh, you mean Shady McCoy, Spencer Ware, Ajayi, Jordan Howard, and Jeremy Hill? Those guys are better than Zeke? You're a funny guy. Not that you're a clown and you amuse me, but that you make me laugh.

 

Let's take a look at different numbers. Instead of 90 carries, how about we shoot for 150? Because of the fellow RBs along with Elliott that have 150 carries, none avg 5 yds. In fact here's the breakdown :

 

DeMarco 4.7 ypc

David Johnson 4.5 ypc

Lamar Miller 4.2 ypc

Blount 3.8 ypc

Forte 3.5 ypc

 

Those numbers are more telling of what this kid is doing. Not only is Elliott leading the league in rushing, but he carries the mail with 22 carries per game. Of his 159 total carries, 43 have gone for 1st downs. That means on 27% of the time Zeke Elliott carries the ball he's busting out a first down. That's a sick number, and it basically allows what would otherwise be a sad sack .500 team to be the best in the NFC.

 

However, with respect to your being the expert on the Cowboys here, and I'm earnest with that, I will digress.

Until you get off this "XYZ" is BETTER than Zeke - you're going to remain in the dark... I've not once said any such thing. I've said I would have diversified my portfolio - gone comparable back with added draft darts to throw at the defense... Zeke is a Ferrari - but behind this line, do you need a Ferrari to get it done, to get similar results? Wouldn't a Mustang Shelby be really damn good behind this line too? I sure and hell think so. Again, give me the star studded line and really good back over the all world back and a line like Minnesota's.

 

You're also still in the dark over this Murray thing... Nobody said he "was" washed up. I've said (as I did then) it was a risky move to gamble on paying him what he wanted. Do you think Belichick does it? Not just no, but double hell no. Coming off the past years of J. Ratliff, M. Austin and others - it was refreshing to not see Jerry cave to emotion and extend another guy coming off a career year and on the verge of possibly slowing down. Damn near all the statistical history (with rare exceptions of say C. Martin) deteriorated (rapidly at times) in the same type situations we found Murray in at the time... Jerry learned a valuable lesson from Miles Austin - no way I'm bashing him for making that call.

[Cruzer 1,994]

 

yes, consistently. when DAL is in base personnel (only 2 WR), it is rare not to see the opposing SS walked down into the box. the FS also cheats down at times.

I would love to see the statistical #'s on how often we are in (only 2 wr) sets.

[nobody 2,468]

 

it hit him in the chest, between both arms. it was a drop pure and simple.

U loco bro?

[R8RMick 242]

Until you get off this "XYZ" is BETTER than Zeke - you're going to remain in the dark... I've not once said any such thing. I've said I would have diversified my portfolio - gone comparable back with added draft darts to throw at the defense... Zeke is a Ferrari - but behind this line, do you need a Ferrari to get it done, to get similar results? Wouldn't a Mustang Shelby be really damn good behind this line too? I sure and hell think so. Again, give me the star studded line and really good back over the all world back and a line like Minnesota's.

 

You're also still in the dark over this Murray thing... Nobody said he "was" washed up. I've said (as I did then) it was a risky move to gamble on paying him what he wanted. Do you think Belichick does it? Not just no, but double hell no. Coming off the past years of J. Ratliff, M. Austin and others - it was refreshing to not see Jerry cave to emotion and extend another guy coming off a career year and on the verge of possibly slowing down. Damn near all the statistical history (with rare exceptions of say C. Martin) deteriorated (rapidly at times) in the same type situations we found Murray in at the time... Jerry learned a valuable lesson from Miles Austin - no way I'm bashing him for making that call.

Thanks for the response, and we'll probably wrap this up I'm off to Oakland tomorrow. I'll caveat my take on your team by simply offering that Dallas is unlike any team in the NFL. Comparisons really can't be made, even in generality, as it's apples and oranges.

 

The Boys are a power running football team, one of the few (if any TN may be another) in the league. The running back position means more, or less, than with most teams. It's proven the run game works, both 2014 and 2016 attest to it. But does it work with a 'Mustang Shelby?' Who knows.

 

But having Zeke Elliott as your workhorse means more to the grand scheme than having another good edge rusher and a JAG at RB. The Raiders have probably the best pass blocking line in football, but we're not going to balk at giving Derek Carr $20 mill in two years because an Alex Smith type can do just as much behind that line.

 

I get it's apples and oranges, it's a QB driven league etc. But for Dallas, for your style of play, it's not. It's a RB driven league, because that's what makes your team the best in the NFC.

[sirensong 111]

U loco bro?

 

look at the picture in the link i posted. ball is inside the frame of his chest, with hands and arms below the ball.

[sirensong 111]

I would love to see the statistical #'s on how often we are in (only 2 wr) sets.

 

can't find the numbers for this week, but through 6 games, DAL went with base or run-type personnel groupings (primarily 12, but also including 13, 21, 22, 23) on 137 out of all 193 non-shotgun snaps (71%). they ran the ball 110 times out of those 137 snaps, or 80% of the time (in shotgun, they ran 22% of the time, for 39 attempts).

 

best average comes out of the 12 package (1RB, 2 TE, 2WR), at 6.1 YPA on 59 attempts in 72 snaps.

[Cruzer 1,994]

I get it's apples and oranges, it's a QB driven league etc. But for Dallas, for your style of play, it's not. It's a RB driven league, because that's what makes your team the best in the NFC.

I can agree with that.. What I don't agree with is that Zeke Elliot is the only back on the planet that could make us that. Behind this line - I think there are a few names that could do that very same.

 

When I ask myself (today), would I rather have:

 

* Zeke and Jaylon Smith

or

* A defensive 1st rounder this year (varies depending on who traded with me), Derrick Henry and a combination of extra 1st, 2nds or 3rds?

 

Option 1 could turn out to be all world, J. Smith could turn out to be a stud like Zeke.. But I still go option 2 - I go that way bcoz I feel it gives me the best chance to make my team SB caliber.

 

Maybe I'm just spoiled, even a bit jaded - programmed to believing you build SB winners thru the draft, with as many picks as you can get... Maybe I have been duped by watching Jimmy fleece a Minny team and turn that bounty into 3 titles.. When we look back, did the Triplets alone bring those titles? Absolutely not. They came bcoz Jimmy built a fortress around them. Jimmy knew he needed as many bullets as he could get his hands on to make it happen. And with those picks he did what? He drafted the likes of: Ken Norton Jr., Moose, Stepnoski, L. Allen, Tony Tolbert, R. Maryland, A. Harper, G. Myles, D. Edwards, Erik Williams, L. Lett, K. Smith, R. Jones, Darren Woodson and Darrin Smith... Think about it, all those were draft picks! Many of them from the Minny bounty, and only Maryland was a 1st rounder... I look around today and I see the draft is how Seattle has built their power packed team. I look around and I see that's (in large part) how Minny has built their power packed defense. And they have done it primarily with 2nd rounders and down.

 

It's never a dull topic - always fun to debate.. Safe travels out there in Oak - I'm pulling for the Raiders to be good again as well.

[nobody 2,468]

 

look at the picture in the link i posted. ball is inside the frame of his chest, with hands and arms below the ball.

 

As he's diving. Aren't you supposed to be a Cowboys fan? I've never seen a fan of a team want their quarterback to suck just so they can be right.

 

Cowboys fans most be the only people in the world that think having two good quarterbacks is some kind of crisis situation.

[sirensong 111]

Ken Norton Jr., Moose, Stepnoski, L. Allen, Tony Tolbert, R. Maryland, A. Harper, G. Myles, D. Edwards, Erik Williams, L. Lett, K. Smith, R. Jones, Darren Woodson and Darrin Smith... Think about it, all those were draft picks! Many of them from the Minny bounty, and only Maryland was a 1st rounder.

 

jimmy certainly found some guys, but accuracy is important: kevin smith was a 1st rounder, as was harper. moose, woodson, allen, and smith were 2nd rounders. norton was drafted the year before jerry bought the team.

[sirensong 111]

 

As he's diving. Aren't you supposed to be a Cowboys fan? I've never seen a fan of a team want their quarterback to suck just so they can be right.

 

Cowboys fans most be the only people in the world that think having two good quarterbacks is some kind of crisis situation.

 

you're not thinking clearly.

 

you may be a homer whose evaluation of players is influenced by emotion and fandom, but many people prefer to be coldly objective when it comes to player assessment. dak hit an opposing CB in the chest during crunch time--that's just a fact, no different than when romo has done it in the past. this doesn't mean dak is a bad QB, but it does indicate that he had serious problems, and got extremely lucky that the CB dropped an easy catch. and truly, it's an easy cradle-type catch, almost identical kinematics as catching a punt.

 

if he makes that catch, the cowboys lose, and this week everyone is talking about dak's 48% completion rate, 2 terrible INTs, sloppy mechanics, and very questionable reads. instead, they're talking about 'making plays in clutch time'. the truth is a bit of both. dak is a fighter, but one who got very, very lucky.

 

those are the facts.

[Cruzer 1,994]

 

jimmy certainly found some guys, but accuracy is important: kevin smith was a 1st rounder, as was harper. moose, woodson, allen, and smith were 2nd rounders. norton was drafted the year before jerry bought the team.

Accuracy helps - but the draft is a #'s game. The law of averages says you aren't going to hit on all of them - you need as many bullets as you can get.. I forgot Harper was a 1st rounder - but I do remember how we got that pick. It was one of the picks we got in the Walker deal - so again, it was an extra bullet Jimmy loaded up on, for the draft... The rest were 2nd rounders and below for sure - pretty sure I mentioned that... But I don't have to travel back in time to see this method work - I can look at teams like Seattle, Minnesota and Denver to see it in real time. The Broncos are literally littered with mid round picks they drafted on the defense.

[Cruzer 1,994]

 

you're not thinking clearly.

 

you may be a homer whose evaluation of players is influenced by emotion and fandom, but many people prefer to be coldly objective when it comes to player assessment. dak hit an opposing CB in the chest during crunch time--that's just a fact, no different than when romo has done it in the past. this doesn't mean dak is a bad QB, but it does indicate that he had serious problems, and got extremely lucky that the CB dropped an easy catch. and truly, it's an easy cradle-type catch, almost identical kinematics as catching a punt.

 

if he makes that catch, the cowboys lose, and this week everyone is talking about dak's 48% completion rate, 2 terrible INTs, sloppy mechanics, and very questionable reads. instead, they're talking about 'making plays in clutch time'. the truth is a bit of both. dak is a fighter, but one who got very, very lucky.

 

those are the facts.

True.. Then again, you could say we're still celebrating a win if Beasley doesn't over throw a wide open Williams on the flicker.. Going back to Week 1, this Philly loss could have been Dak's 1st loss had the Giants not got lucky - Dak had not 1, but 2 dropped tds... You could say that too - those are also the facts.

 

But I think you'd have to be crazy to say we've not been fortunate - only several instances. We have to remember - Romo is not totally healed yet, Romo has not been cleared to play yet. So for the first 7 games - we were (stuck if you will) with Dak... We've been fortunate he's had some breaks go his way and we've been fortunate for some breaks to go this team's way in general... But breaks are part of it - I don't have to tell you that... 2014, with Romo, with Dez and with Murray - we were lucky as hell to get a call in the Detroit game. Even the most rabid homer has to admit, the Lions got hosed there. If we don't get that break - we never travel to GB and Romo has yet another scar on his postseason resume.

 

Maybe the biggest break of all is that Dak is getting to play, and learning mass amounts of invaluable experience - all the while still winning. How often does that get to happen? Whatever happens with this Romo/Dak saga, Dak is light years ahead of schedule just from what he's getting to experience on the field now.

[sirensong 111]

True.. Then again, you could say we're still celebrating a win if Beasley doesn't over throw a wide open Williams on the flicker.. Going back to Week 1, this Philly loss could have been Dak's 1st loss had the Giants not got lucky - Dak had not 1, but 2 dropped tds... You could say that too - those are also the facts.

 

 

sure, but beasley's job on the football team isn't to throw passes, any more than it's tyron's job to catch them (even though either of them might have to fill one of those roles on occasion). and absolutely dak has suffered from some drops, just like he has egregiously missed wide open WRs. and of course he has now had 3 or 4 should-be INTs that were dropped (not counting the Twill end-zone OPI mugging).

 

my point is merely that people need to tap the brakes on dak. all the hysteria right now is identical to the romo-mania that took place in 2006. people were absolutely wetting themselves over the ZOMGgreatestQBevar!!!, instead of looking at him as a young QB with a lot of potential but still a lot of learning to do. they're getting blinded by the "he was clutch when it counted" narrative, and ignoring the fact that luck had an enormous amount to do with it.

[Cruzer 1,994]

my point is merely that people need to tap the brakes on dak. all the hysteria right now is identical to the romo-mania that took place in 2006. people were absolutely wetting themselves over the ZOMGgreatestQBevar!!!, instead of looking at him as a young QB with a lot of potential but still a lot of learning to do. they're getting blinded by the "he was clutch when it counted" narrative, and ignoring the fact that luck had an enormous amount to do with it.

Oh no question - and no question "this" Dak is not as good as "Romo 2014"... But of all the problems we've had here - this is one I can live with.

 

I heard on the drive in, Romo looked sharp and strong in full 11 on 11 practice.. Both Dez and Witten were heard saying, "Romo was throwing missles." ........... I truly do wish like hell he was cleared and ready to go this week. Sorry Cleveland, not to overlook you - but this would be a great opportunity to see what he has.

[thePRO 78]

The Browns are going to be a challenge, surprisingly. Say what you guys want, but it's going to be a close game and I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland pulled out a 24-23 win or something. Just not feeling this game for the Cowboys.

 

I wanna see Dak play better and this offense look unstoppable. Dak missed too many easy passes last week.

[sirensong 111]

yeah, brownies have been competitive in almost every game so far. according to the DAL beat writers i follow, this was a big "don't eat the cheese" week in the locker room. guys like lee and witten have been hammering on good prep and not overlooking a team based on its record.

[sirensong 111]

just to put paid to this topic, sunday was the final criterion i had listed (winning a shootout against a good offense). i now fully support the continuation of dak as the starter. not because i think he's a better QB than romo (he's not), but rather in the sense of not making a change when the whole thing is working this well.

 

so i retract all my earlier resistance to the idea.

[Cruzer 1,994]

just to put paid to this topic, sunday was the final criterion i had listed (winning a shootout against a good offense). i now fully support the continuation of dak as the starter. not because i think he's a better QB than romo (he's not), but rather in the sense of not making a change when the whole thing is working this well.

 

so i retract all my earlier resistance to the idea.

I admit - I sure am curious to see what Romo has left in the tank still... I'm starting to believe Jerry has already made his mind up on something else too - that Romo is going to either be traded, or a post-June 1st cut next year. There is no way we can afford a backup with that much cap commitment.

[sirensong 111]

i firmly believe that with romo under center, this team is 9-0 and challenging for one of the greatest offensive seasons in NFL history. remember, in 2014 romo was still pretty broken, and nevertheless had one of the all-time greatest seasons by a QB even with an additional injury during the season. this year was his first full offseason since 2012, and he was awe-inspiring in camp. between romo's quick release (0.26 sec compared to marino's gold standard of 0.30), dez/witten, zeke's pass pro, the offseason expansion of beasley's route tree, and dunbar's ability in space, blitzing would be suicide.

 

but that's speculative, and you can't steer the ship with it. dak is the guy. jerry will work a release/immediate retire for romo, and the team will absorb the $20M in dead money either split between the next 2 seasons or accelerated into next year's cap (which surprisingly doesn't really hurt much, given the cap savings).

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

i firmly believe that with romo under center, this team is 9-0 and challenging for one of the greatest offensive seasons in NFL history. remember, in 2014 romo was still pretty broken, and nevertheless had one of the all-time greatest seasons by a QB even with an additional injury during the season. this year was his first full offseason since 2012, and he was awe-inspiring in camp. between romo's quick release (0.26 sec compared to marino's gold standard of 0.30), dez/witten, zeke's pass pro, the offseason expansion of beasley's route tree, and dunbar's ability in space, blitzing would be suicide.

 

but that's speculative, and you can't steer the ship with it. dak is the guy. jerry will work a release/immediate retire for romo, and the team will absorb the $20M in dead money either split between the next 2 seasons or accelerated into next year's cap (which surprisingly doesn't really hurt much, given the cap savings).

3700 yards and 34 TD's is one of the all time great seasons now? News to those guys with 40 plus and 4000 yards and up. There's a few of them.

[sirensong 111]

3700 yards and 34 TD's is one of the all time great seasons now? News to those guys with 40 plus and 4000 yards and up. There's a few of them.

 

113.2 is the 6th highest full season passer rating in league history. other than foles (who only played a partial season), the only guys ahead of romo will be first ballot HOFers: rodgers, p. manning, brady.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

 

113.2 is the 6th highest full season passer rating in league history. other than foles (who only played a partial season), the only guys ahead of romo will be first ballot HOFers: rodgers, p. manning, brady.

Oh, passer rating. They still use that?

[Cruzer 1,994]

Thing about this kid - he simply doesn't turn it over. Which as we all know, for all his greatness - Romo did. Call it lucky, call it whatever - it is what it is.

 

Tell you another thing, don't look now, but Dak appears to have figured out that #82 is a chain moving, 6'6" life preserver.

[sirensong 111]

Thing about this kid - he simply doesn't turn it over. Which as we all know, for all his greatness - Romo did. Call it lucky, call it whatever - it is what it is.

 

 

 

call it not having to carry the whole team by himself. call it having a top run game and top scoring defense, which combine to take a lot of pressure off. and don't forget that dak has exposed the ball plenty, both hitting defenders with it and putting it on the ground. his lack of turnovers isn't so much his careful play as defenders not making plays.

 

career int%:

 

joe montana: 2.6

 

romo: 2.7

roethlisberger: 2.7

p. manning: 2.7

 

aikman: 3.0

marino: 3.0

[sirensong 111]

Oh, passer rating. They still use that?

 

 

yes. it is very strongly associated with effectiveness of QB play.

[Ray_T 721]

Thing about this kid - he simply doesn't turn it over. Which as we all know, for all his greatness - Romo did. Call it lucky, call it whatever - it is what it is.

 

Tell you another thing, don't look now, but Dak appears to have figured out that #82 is a chain moving, 6'6" life preserver.

Yep. I think a turnover is worth 50 yards passing. Factor that in, and it is very tempting to leave him in as starter.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

 

 

yes. it is very strongly associated with effectiveness of QB play.

That's the one where Chad Pennington is better than Marino?

[thePRO 78]

Thing about this kid - he simply doesn't turn it over. Which as we all know, for all his greatness - Romo did. Call it lucky, call it whatever - it is what it is.

 

Tell you another thing, don't look now, but Dak appears to have figured out that #82 is a chain moving, 6'6" life preserver.

Romo wasn't a turnover machine either. In fact he has one of the better TD/TO ratios. Dak hasn't had to take risks and really hasn't had to make the tough throws. Turnovers will come eventually. Especially if we're having a tough day running the ball.

 

Romo would have had similar stats, maybe an InT or 2 more, but probably a handful of more TDs.

[Cruzer 1,994]

call it not having to carry the whole team by himself. call it having a top run game and top scoring defense, which combine to take a lot of pressure off. and don't forget that dak has exposed the ball plenty, both hitting defenders with it and putting it on the ground. his lack of turnovers isn't so much his careful play as defenders not making plays.

 

career int%:

 

joe montana: 2.6

 

romo: 2.7

roethlisberger: 2.7

p. manning: 2.7

 

aikman: 3.0

marino: 3.0

You mean like Aikman, that kind of not having to carry a whole team by himself? Or the the top kind of run game Romo had with Murray? And scoring defense - when did we get that? This defense is the ultimate bend-and hope to not break- defense, hardly a scoring defense.

[Cruzer 1,994]

Romo would have had similar stats, maybe an InT or 2 myore, but probably a handful of more TDs.

You might want to run the stats from Romo's glory 2014 season - when he also had the league's leading rusher. Compare those turnovers to Dak's thru the same period.

[R8RMick 242]

You might want to run the stats from Romo's glory 2014 season - when he also had the league's leading rusher. Compare those turnovers to Dak's thru the same period.

 

That TD pass to Bryant was sweet. The kid sort of has an unorthodox delivery, but who cares? Elliott is beasting it man.

[Cruzer 1,994]

 

That TD pass to Bryant was sweet. The kid sort of has an unorthodox delivery, but who cares? Elliott is beasting it man.

I've never seen a young qb utilize and go thru his progressions like Dak does. Yea part of it is having the time to do so, but even when he's under the gun and on the move - he seems to find somebody. It's like somebody is calling into his helmet, "Hey, T-Will is running free on the backside." ............ One of the things that Aikman did that was so under appreciated was his ability and precision in throwing to a "spot" - whether the guy was there or not. Dak is showing flashes of that of late. But like I said - maybe the biggest thing he's doing now, he's figured out Witten is money... I'd still like to see Dak handle to full on blitz better and I'd like to see him burn these teams with his 3 step drops - but hey, he's still 23 and he's still learning.

 

No question about Zeke - he's a man among boys sometimes... The 75 yarder td off the screen pass was phenomenal - prolly only a couple of backs that could make that play... I hope like hell we start using him more out of the backfield like that. Emmitt was unstoppable, and uncoverable on the quick dump - Zeke could be too.

[thePRO 78]

You might want to run the stats from Romo's glory 2014 season - when he also had the league's leading rusher. Compare those turnovers to Dak's thru the same period.

 

You don't have to, but I discount the 49ers game. It was terrible and he didn't look right that game. Almost looked like he needed one more week to get in the swing of things after his offseason surgery.

 

The next 9 games, Cowboys went 8-1. Romo 21 TDs 3 INTs

 

Dak's 8-1 record: 14 TDs 2 INTs

[Cruzer 1,994]

 

You don't have to, but I discount the 49ers game. It was terrible and he didn't look right that game. Almost looked like he needed one more week to get in the swing of things after his offseason surgery.

Hold on a minute, so we're only counting the games they looked good in? Bcoz the ones they looked bad and not right in don't count?

[thePRO 78]

Hold on a minute, so we're only counting the games they looked good in? Bcoz the ones they looked bad and not right in don't count?

 

Typical. Ignore my point then. Did you watch the game? I was comparing their similar 9 game stretch of going 8-1. It's not like I excluded a game in the middle of that stretch. Even if you include the 9ers game, Romo has 22TDs and 6INTs.

 

But if we compare the 9 game stretch of going 8-1 like we have this season, despite the same TD/INT ratio, Romo looks like he gives us a little extra big play ability/redzone success. Because that fade from Dak to Dez isn't quite working like it did with Romo/Dez.

[SpenceToons 70]

 

 

 

But if we compare the 9 game stretch of going 8-1 like we have this season, despite the same TD/INT ratio, Romo looks like he gives us a little extra big play ability/redzone success. Because that fade from Dak to Dez isn't quite working like it did with Romo/Dez.

 

A quick check of Dez's bio shows he played in all 16 games in 2014 but only 6 here in 2016. Perhaps if Dez had been as available to Dak as he was to Romo in 2014, Dak would be registering readings on the "firepower" scale that are similar to Romo's.

[sirensong 111]

You mean like Aikman, that kind of not having to carry a whole team by himself? Or the the top kind of run game Romo had with Murray? And scoring defense - when did we get that? This defense is the ultimate bend-and hope to not break- defense, hardly a scoring defense.

 

correct--romo threw INTs at a substantially lower rate than aikman, even though aikman had a far better team structure supporting him. romo had one year of a top run game, and after the first half of the first game, he threw 6 picks and 34 TDs.

 

and you know that the football statistic 'scoring defense' refers to how many points the defense surrenders per game, right? better scoring defense = less pressure on the offense.

[sirensong 111]

 

A quick check of Dez's bio shows he played in all 16 games in 2014 but only 6 here in 2016. Perhaps if Dez had been as available to Dak as he was to Romo in 2014, Dak would be registering readings on the "firepower" scale that are similar to Romo's.

 

perhaps.

 

then again, maybe if 2014 romo had the 2016 O-line (instead of a rookie martin and a 2nd year frederick), he would have faced less pressure (the 2014 line graded out as excellent in run blocking, but mediocre in pass pro), not had to lead a comeback win with a broken spine, not had to sit out the next game, and put up even bigger numbers.

 

and the "if only dak had dez" argument falls pretty flat anyway, since dak hasn't exactly set the house on fire targeting dez. dez's 44% catch rate is largely due to dak's inaccuracy.

 

there is really no question: other than running the football, there is no QB technique in which dak even approaches romo's class. romo understands the game better, executes the offense better, and throws the ball better. staying with dak is the right decision, but is based on intangibles. trying to argue that dak has similar ability right now is just silly.

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and you know that the football statistic 'scoring defense' refers to how many points the defense surrenders per game, right? better scoring defense = less pressure on the offense.

It could be both.. Depending on who you ask and what context - it could be the other as well.

 

You do know (going into last week) Dallas had faced the #1, Easiest schedule of any team in the league so far - right? Baltimore was ranked 2nd and NE 3rd.. And when we marched into Pittsburgh - well, we all saw how that vaunted "scoring defense" did.