TimmySmith 2,782 Posted August 31, 2016 bo jackson was a second round draft pick by the yankees as a senior in high school, played 4 years of baseball at auburn and then 'quit' football and played almost a full season of minor league ball before getting a callup to the majors. tim tebow was a good, but undrafted HS baseball player who stopped playing for 12 years. they arent remotely the same. It's a stretch, but Tebow was a QB headed for a major college. It makes sense that he dropped everything else to concentrate on football. If he played baseball as a senior in HS, he would have been drafted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Scout Grade Now/Future This is on a 20 to 80 scale. Power - 70/70 Run - 50/50 Throw 40/40 Field 35/45 Not bad, some team will give him a look. 50 is considered average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 It's a stretch, but Tebow was a QB headed for a major college. It makes sense that he dropped everything else to concentrate on football. If he played baseball as a senior in HS, he would have been drafted. But he didnt. And Bo did. And none of that changes the fact that Tebow is nearing 30, and has mostly average to below average baseball skills. Could he get better? Absolutely. If he spends the next two years absolutely devoted to getting better, maybe he would get good enough to earn a spot on a low level minor league team. I dont see how he ever gets good enough to play in the MLB. Just my opinion though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 Scout Grade Now/Future This is on a 20 to 80 scale. Power - 70/70 Run - 50/50 Throw 40/40 Field 35/45 Not bad, some team will give him a look. Is "Power" their only hitting criteria, or is it just the only one they reported on Tebow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted August 31, 2016 Scout Grade Now/Future This is on a 20 to 80 scale. Power - 70/70 Run - 50/50 Throw 40/40 Field 35/45 Not bad, some team will give him a look. Maybe in the independent league to sell some jerseys, but no legit MLB team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Is "Power" their only hitting criteria, or is it just the only one they reported on Tebow? Its just the only thing he did well. He hit a couple of BP dingers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Maybe in the independent league to sell some jerseys, but no legit MLB team Thank you. ;highfive; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 Its just the only thing he did well. He hit a couple of BP dingers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 31, 2016 RP, know when you're wrong and walk away you do not have to be a 6'6 TE to be good in the NFL Except that all the good ones except Reed are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,731 Posted August 31, 2016 Is "Power" their only hitting criteria, or is it just the only one they reported on Tebow? Just linking the article, I think average is one of the tools they usually grade on too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Just linking the article, I think average is one of the tools they usually grade on too. Five tools speed power throwing fielding overall hitting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted August 31, 2016 If you want to make a categorical statement about athleticism in sport, then it's soccer and not close. The whole reason youth soccer is popular is because any kid can run around and kick at the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 If you want to make a categorical statement about athleticism in sport, then it's soccer and not close. Pretty dumb statement. Do you really think the average soccer player is an appreciably better athlete than say the average hockey player? Hockey is basically soccer, but played on ice skates and you have to use a stick to control a tiny puck, not just kick a focking ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 The whole reason youth soccer is popular is because any kid can run around and kick at the ball. there has been a world of stupid chit spoken on FFT over the years. This is top 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Pretty dumb statement. Do you really think the average soccer player is an appreciably better athlete than say the average hockey player? Hockey is basically soccer, but played on ice skates and you have to use a stick to control a tiny puck, not just kick a focking ball. Yeah but hockey players only play for like 45 seconds at a time. Then they go sit on the bench for like 5 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted August 31, 2016 Jesus Christ, what happened to you guys? One thread is talking about crying and the other is debating athleticism of soccer players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Jesus Christ, what happened to you guys? One thread is talking about crying and the other is debating athleticism of soccer players? Im chopping onions!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 Yeah but hockey players only play for like 45 seconds at a time. Then they go sit on the bench for like 5 minutes. Meh, and soccer players spend half their time walking around too. Some games are played more in short burst rather long runs, those bursts take a whole different kind of athleticism. Downhill skiers never do anything for longer than about 2 minutes and they are incredible athletes. I'm not saying soccer players aren't very athletic, I'm saying it's dumb to say it's "not close". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 Meh, and soccer players spend half their time walking around too. Some games are played more in short burst rather long runs, those bursts take a whole different kind of athleticism. Downhill skiers never doing anything for longer than about 2 minutes and they are incredible athletes. I'm not saying soccer players aren't very athletic, I'm saying it's dumb to say it's "not close". Well im the guy who thinks David Ortiz is an athlete, so what do i know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 Jesus Christ, what happened to you guys? One thread is talking about crying and the other is debating athleticism of soccer players? Does somebody need a hug? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 Meh, and soccer players spend half their time walking around too. I'm not getting into the athletic argument. name one professional soccer player that is average body size, let alone tubby. just one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 593 Posted August 31, 2016 I'm not getting into the athletic argument. name one professional soccer player that is average body size, let alone tubby. just one If have a hard time just naming more than one professional soccer teams let alone a player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted August 31, 2016 But he didnt. And Bo did. And none of that changes the fact that Tebow is nearing 30, and has mostly average to below average baseball skills. Could he get better? Absolutely. If he spends the next two years absolutely devoted to getting better, maybe he would get good enough to earn a spot on a low level minor league team. I dont see how he ever gets good enough to play in the MLB. Just my opinion though I am agreeing with you, mostly. His age works against him, but in reality he is as good a prospect as 80% of the players drafted this year. Which is to say, has about a snowballs chance of making the bigs. He is worth a flyer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted August 31, 2016 I'm not getting into the athletic argument. name one professional soccer player that is average body size, let alone tubby. just one Well for starters I probably couldn't name five soccer players on a bet, but I doubt there are many tubby ones. They have incredible cardio conditioning, but even it that's how you define athleticism name me a tubby downhill skier, or lacrosse player, or water polo player, or a motocross rider, or sprinter, or distance runner, or gymnast or.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 If have a hard time just naming more than one professional soccer teams let alone a player exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 31, 2016 The whole reason youth soccer is popular is because any kid can run around and kick at the ball.nailed it ..it's a simplistic sport anyone can learn, play and even coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 nailed it ..it's a simplistic sport anyone can learn, play and even coach. explain to me offsides in soccer. it's so simplistic, you should know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 31, 2016 explain to me offsides in soccer. it's so simplistic, you should know it's when a player goes offsides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 i bet drobs is furiously googlin right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 31, 2016 i bet drobs is furiously googlin right nowhow much ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 it's when a player goes offsides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southcarolina 166 Posted August 31, 2016 how much ? everything. the economy of the whole universe in its entirety. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 31, 2016 everything. the economy of the whole universe in its entirety.it's on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,731 Posted August 31, 2016 At least it was a full sentence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,439 Posted August 31, 2016 Guys like Ortiz, Sabathia, Colon, David Wells, Babe Ruth, Prince Fielder, etc etc are not athletic, and would probably be the first to say they weren't. Hell, even Tom Brady says he's not an athlete. Hand eye coordination and being able to throw a ball artfully doesn't require athletic ability. If you want to make a categorical statement about athleticism in sport, then it's soccer and not close. Dumbest thing ever said here. Well done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 31, 2016 Dumbest thing ever said here. Well done hoyts not known for being funny, but that was a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,043 Posted August 31, 2016 Dumbest thing ever said here. Well done I couldn't work up enough 'care' to form a response.. Absurd statement from a moron, it's kind of his thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted August 31, 2016 there has been a world of stupid chit spoken on FFT over the years. This is top 5 Spoken like a guy whose main sport was soccer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted August 31, 2016 I'm not getting into the athletic argument. name one professional soccer player that is average body size, let alone tubby. just one Being in shape is not the same as being athletic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,307 Posted August 31, 2016 Being in shape is not the same as being athletic I'm not getting into the athletic argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites