Hardest thing to do in sports?

[vuduchile 1,941]

Cy Young's win record is more untouchable than that.

Let's ask edjr if all those wins count since he played agaisnt part time bartenders and hay bailers, but not the negroes.

[dain11279 947]

Lasso Drobeski in a rodeo

 

[edjr 6,142]

Let's ask edjr if all those wins count since he played agaisnt part time bartenders and hay bailers, but not the negroes.

 

Stats counting have little to do with greats of all time.

HTH

 

Barry Bonds' stats count, some people choose to disregard what he did.

 

Babe Ruth's stats count, I choose to disregard what he did.

[edjr 6,142]

Cy Young's win record is more untouchable than that.

 

Further proof that stats from that era are a joke

[Hardcore troubadour 13,676]

 

Stats counting have little to do with greats of all time.

HTH

 

Barry Bonds' stats count, some people choose to disregard what he did.

 

Babe Ruth's stats count, I choose to disregard what he did.

Even Ruth's stolen bases?

[NewbieJr 541]

Only kids should wear jerseys, but I did go to Veterans Stadium with a Giants Hat on. Had to straighten out the guy behind me. Was fine after that.

Of course you did

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Stats counting have little to do with greats of all time.

HTH

 

Barry Bonds' stats count, some people choose to disregard what he did.

 

Babe Ruth's stats count, I choose to disregard what he did.

Kind of scary to think that the years that separated Ruth and Aaron are the same as the years that separate Aaron and present day. I remember thinking Babe Ruth played an entirely different game back in ancient history. I guess kids probably think that about Aaron nowadays.

[edjr 6,142]

Kind of scary to think that the years that separated Ruth and Aaron are the same as the years that separate Aaron and present day. I remember thinking Babe Ruth played an entirely different game back in ancient history. I guess kids probably think that about Aaron nowadays.

 

Aaron played when all were allowed to play.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Aaron played when all were allowed to play.

 

I know. He also spent his entire youth, high school, and early pro career working on pitching. Imagine if he just worked on hitting? He may have 1000 home runs

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

Stats counting have little to do with greats of all time.

HTH

 

Barry Bonds' stats count, some people choose to disregard what he did.

 

Babe Ruth's stats count, I choose to disregard what he did.

Bullsh!t.

 

Stats (especially wins) are a huge component of that equation.

 

Bonds, Ruth, Cy, Federer, Woods, Nicklaus, Brady, etc would not be in any GOAT conversation without the numbers.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

Aaron played when all were allowed to play.

Josh Gibson hit 962 homers in 17 seasons in the negro leagues.

 

Who's better, Gibson or Bonds?

[NewbieJr 541]

^{How about all stats before Japanese players came over? Should they count? Also, nowadays, most players are Cuban or Dominican. They were scarce 15-20 years ago., It's dumb to try to minimize anyone's accomplishments because of the era in which he played.}

[edjr 6,142]

^{How about all stats before Japanese players came over? Should they count? Also, nowadays, most players are Cuban or Dominican. They were scarce 15-20 years ago., It's dumb to try to minimize anyone's accomplishments because of the era in which he played.}

 

 

were they segregated or just didn't play?

 

 

Koreans don't play in the NBA, does that mean the stats don't count?

[edjr 6,142]

Josh Gibson hit 962 homers in 17 seasons in the negro leagues.

 

Who's better, Gibson or Bonds?

 

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

were they segregated or just didn't play?

 

 

Koreans don't play in the NBA, does that mean the stats don't count?

There are a lot of reasons that it became easier for Asians and Hispanics to play here now as compared to the 70's and 80's and even 90's. hth I don't hear anyone saying that any stats prior to 2000 are watered down.

[vuduchile 1,941]

^{How about all stats before Japanese players came over? Should they count? Also, nowadays, most players are Cuban or Dominican. They were scarce 15-20 years ago., It's dumb to try to minimize anyone's accomplishments because of the era in which he played.}

Exactly.

 

It's resonanle to assume that athletic abilities of pitchers and hitters have risen at the same pace over the years.

 

Walter Johnson was generally regarded as having the fastest fastball during his era and was as tough to hit as Nolan Ryan or Aroldis Chapman.

 

 

 

But watch old footage of him throwing and he looks like he could barely break 80 with that sidearm sh!t.

 

 

He wouldn't do well in today's game, but that's a different conversation.

 

50 years from now, some kid will be throwing 115 mph curve balls and some other kid will have figured out how to hit one of them 750 ft.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

I thought all the best athletes back then were in the negro leagues?

[NewbieJr 541]

I thought all the best athletes back then were in the negro leagues?

He's laughing because you ripped his theory to shreds and doesn't want to look too uncomfortable.

[jerryskids 5,842]

Exactly.

 

It's resonanle to assume that athletic abilities of pitchers and hitters have risen at the same pace over the years.

 

Walter Johnson was generally regarded as having the fastest fastball during his era and was as tough to hit as Nolan Ryan or Aroldis Chapman.

 

 

 

But watch old footage of him throwing and he looks like he could barely break 80 with that sidearm sh!t.

 

 

He wouldn't do well in today's game, but that's a different conversation.

 

50 years from now, some kid will be throwing 115 mph curve balls and some other kid will have figured out how to hit one of them 750 ft.

Agreed. The only way to compare players is relative to the era they played in. Otherwise you end up picking whatever subjective criteria fits your narrative, like edjr is doing.

[NewbieJr 541]

I suppose that none of Nolan Ryan's accomplishments really mean much because Sadahara Oh hit his 868 his home runs in Japan.

[vuduchile 1,941]

Agreed. The only way to compare players is relative to the era they played in. Otherwise you end up picking whatever subjective criteria fits your narrative, like edjr is doing.

edjr is famous for that. It's his M.O.

[edjr 6,142]

He's laughing because you ripped his theory to shreds and doesn't want to look too uncomfortable.

 

did they play against everyone?

 

 

Link to where I said negro leagues had the best athletes?

 

 

Why couldn't the negro leagues have the 1/2 the best and MLB had the other half?

 

did they play against Latin and Domincan players?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

did they play against everyone?

 

 

Link to where I said negro leagues had the best athletes?

 

 

Why couldn't the negro leagues have the 1/2 the best and MLB had the other half?

 

did they play against Latin and Domincan players?

Your theory has been blown to smithereens. Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

[edjr 6,142]

Your theory has been blown to smithereens. Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

Sure it hasn.t

 

i'll be waiting on that link, dink.

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

did they play against everyone?

 

 

Link to where I said negro leagues had the best athletes?

 

 

Why couldn't the negro leagues have the 1/2 the best and MLB had the other half?

 

did they play against Latin and Domincan players?

Jim Brown played against whites and blacks. What was your argument against him as an all time top 10?

 

The linebackers and linemen were all his size or smaller than him? Hahaha.

 

Were they all as fast and agile as him too?

[NewbieJr 541]

Lol. Ouch

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,902]

topic shift successful

 

score one for me

[edjr 6,142]

Jim Brown played against whites and blacks. What was your argument against him as an all time top 10?

 

The linebackers and linemen were all his size or smaller than him? Hahaha.

 

Were they all as fast and agile as him too?

 

 

I don't deny his numbers.

 

I can't put him on *MY* top 10 list, because *I* never saw him play.

 

Do *I* believe he had an advantage playing against lesser talent than the RBs of today, absolutely.

[edjr 6,142]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brown is a Trump man?

 

I take back everything I said.

 

Greatest Of All Time!

 

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

 

I don't deny his numbers.

 

I can't put him on *MY* top 10 list, because *I* never saw him play.

 

Do *I* believe he had an advantage playing against lesser talent than the RBs of today, absolutely.

His advantage was that he was a beast of a man who could run over, around, through, or by almost anyone on the field.

 

There were no other RBs from that era doing what he did against those same defenders.

 

He was special, just like Sanders, OJ, Walter, Faulk, Bell, etc have been in their respective eras.

 

Where do you draw the line? Overall, defenders weren't as quick when OJ and Payton played.

 

They get better, stronger and faster every year.