posty 2,446 Posted February 19, 2021 Wow, $340 million... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Same guys touting exit velocity are the same ones who say “why don’t they just hit it the other way” when it comes to the shift. Nerds. And they will be the same guys who say none of it will matter if they win a WS. Always a debatable fall back position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Same guys touting exit velocity are the same ones who say “why don’t they just hit it the other way” when it comes to the shift. Nerds. Tatis does hit the ball the other way so there you have it. I’ve watched at least 90% of his at bats in his career Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,228 Posted February 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, posty said: Wow, $340 million... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,351 Posted February 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, edjr said: I wasn't aware they have to stop paying him in 2024, or any year before 2035 if he flames out. Thanks for the guidance. This is worse than the Miggy Cabrera contract. 31 million a year until 2025. Laughable Paying him has nothing to do with it. If you have to wait until 2031 to come back and talk about this deal, you're going to be on the wrong side of the argument because if they get 10 great years out of him, then the last 4 are irrelevant. If he wasn't worth the deal, you'll be able to come back here in 2024... you won't have to wait until 2031. Cabrera's extention? Based on what? Cabrera was 35 when he signed that deal. That was tragic. Tatis is only 22 and he'll only be making $24M a year. Based on the going rates of contracts, Tatis will only need to be a 4 WAR player (yearly), over the length of his contract for it to be justified. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: Paying him has nothing to do with it. If you have to wait until 2031 to come back and talk about this deal, you're going to be on the wrong side of the argument because if they get 10 great years out of him, then the last 4 are irrelevant. If he wasn't worth the deal, you'll be able to come back here in 2024... you won't have to wait until 2031. Cabrera's extention? Based on what? Cabrera was 35 when he signed that deal. That was tragic. Tatis is only 22 and he'll only be making $24M a year. Based on the going rates of contracts, Tatis will only need to be a 4 WAR player (yearly), over the length of his contract for it to be justified. This guy gets it. They act like he’s a 30 year old on his final deal. He’s Manny. Had he not signed he would be a free agent after his 25 year old season and get at least a 10/300 deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: Paying him has nothing to do with it. If you have to wait until 2031 to come back and talk about this deal, you're going to be on the wrong side of the argument because if they get 10 great years out of him, then the last 4 are irrelevant. If he wasn't worth the deal, you'll be able to come back here in 2024... you won't have to wait until 2031. Cabrera's extention? Based on what? Cabrera was 35 when he signed that deal. That was tragic. Tatis is only 22 and he'll only be making $24M a year. Based on the going rates of contracts, Tatis will only need to be a 4 WAR player (yearly), over the length of his contract for it to be justified. Boom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Tatis does hit the ball the other way so there you have it. I’ve watched at least 90% of his at bats in his career There were always players capable of doing that. We called them batting champs. People act like everyone could do it. The league wasn’t full of Tony Gwynn’s back in the day. Most hitters have always been pull hitters. The great ones weren’t. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 19, 2021 San Diego has nothing to worry about with this contract, except injury, which I’m sure they are covered. If it doesn’t work out some dopey team like the Yankees, if Cashman is still in charge, or the Dodgers or Boston will take him as a salary dump. See Rodriguez, Alex. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: This guy gets it. They act like he’s a 30 year old on his final deal. He’s Manny. Had he not signed he would be a free agent after his 25 year old season and get at least a 10/300 deal. NO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 19, 2021 5 hours ago, TimmySmith said: Yeah, I don't get it either. What I do get is scouts have all off season to analyze a hitter's weaknesses and pitchers are great enough to hit those spots way more than they miss. The general measure of "lucky" hitting is BABIP. Most guys hover around .300 BABIP. But they can spend some time well below that. Mike Trout, one of the most profilic hitters of our generation, has a lifetime .348 BABIP or so. That's absolutely ridiculous. Tatis had a BABIP over .400 in his rookie year. He WILL NOT hit like that for his career. He came back down to earth some in year 2. And likely has further to drop. The Padres are complete idiots for giving him that deal. That deal basically assumes he has a lifetime .400 BABIP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 19, 2021 Eddie Rosario last year had a career-low .248 BABIP. He is a MUCH better hitter than that. He was terribly unlucky last year. You absolutely buy low on him. But teams are focking stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 19, 2021 I'll put his out there right now. Tatis will never come close to the production of his rookie year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,604 Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: I'll put his out there right now. Tatis will never come close to the production of his rookie year. Wow, that's pretty bold. Agree with a lot your points and think 143 games is way too small of a sample size to award that big of a contract, but I'm not going anywhere near the limb you just walked out on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: The general measure of "lucky" hitting is BABIP. Most guys hover around .300 BABIP. But they can spend some time well below that. Mike Trout, one of the most profilic hitters of our generation, has a lifetime .348 BABIP or so. That's absolutely ridiculous. Tatis had a BABIP over .400 in his rookie year. He WILL NOT hit like that for his career. He came back down to earth some in year 2. And likely has further to drop. The Padres are complete idiots for giving him that deal. That deal basically assumes he has a lifetime .400 BABIP. Last year prorated he was worth 7+ WAR. That is surplus value of 50+ mil annually. Nobody thinks he will have a babip of 400. With as hard as he hits the ball ie THE HARDEST in baseball a .330 babip is reasonable. That being said it’s 24 mil AAV. Even in years his bat might be down he still produces value as an elite defender with elite speed and elite base running. He’s a second year player who was in the running for MVP. You act like he has no room to improve. All the dude has done is produce. I don’t understand the hate. But you enjoy your Eddie rosarios Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted February 19, 2021 He is going to get focked in taxes and he owes an investment company $27m right off the bat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: He is going to get focked in taxes and he owes an investment company $27m right off the bat. He will make that in royalties from merch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Isles 583 Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: He is going to get focked in taxes and he owes an investment company $27m right off the bat. Yeah that company sure made out on that hedge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 20, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 1:50 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said: You act like he has no room to improve. All the dude has done is produce. I don’t understand the hate. But you enjoy your Eddie rosarios The odds of him EVER doing better than his rookie year are very poor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 20, 2021 Tatis signed a "cash advance" as a minor leaguer with a company that, in exchange for the instant cash, will forever take a cut of his future earnings. Unknown is the terms of the deal. https://sports.yahoo.com/fernando-tatis-jr-padres-340-million-minor-league-deal-mlb-000100819.html Fernando Tatis Jr. won't be seeing all of that $340 million, thanks to a deal he made as a minor leaguer Jack Baer Thu, February 18, 2021, 4:01 PM Baseball's latest massive payday arrived on Wednesday, this time in the form of Fernando Tatis Jr.'s 14-year, $340 million extension with the San Diego Padres. The deal is the longest in baseball history, the third largest in terms of total money committed and will keep a potential face of MLB in San Diego for the long term. It's a transformative deal for the Padres and the league as a whole. Tatis, however, won't be be able to enjoy as much of it as you would expect. The reason: a deal he made as a 19-year-old, more than a year before his MLB debut. What is Big League Advance, and why is it getting part of Fernando Tatis' contract? As The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal noted Thursday, a portion of Tatis' deal with the Padres will be going to Big League Advance, a company with a very specific, and some would say predatory, business model. Essentially, Big League Advance is an investment company, but instead of investing in businesses and properties, it invests in players. The company approaches minor leaguers and offers them a one-time payment in exchange for a small but significant cut of their earnings as an MLB player. If the minor leaguer's career doesn't pan out and he never makes it to MLB's lucrative free agency, it's a good deal for the player. However, if that player, say, becomes an MVP candidate and signs one of the largest contracts in baseball history, it's a bonanza for Big League Advance. The latter case is exactly what will happen in the case of Tatis, who reportedly signed a deal with Big League Advance during the 2017-18 offseason. The exact amount Tatis will be handing over to Big League Advance is unknown, but the company's website offers the following pay structure as an example: For example, Big League Advance may offer a player $50,000 for every 1% of his future professional earnings. If a player wanted to sign a deal for 5%, he would receive $250,000, or if he wanted to sign a deal for 10%, he would receive $500,000. While our offer amounts are non-negotiable, the percentage the player would like to give up is up to the player. So if Tatis took the largest payment, he would be set to pay Big League Advance $34 million over the course of 14 years. Not every player Big League Advance buys into will make the majors, but the possibility of landing a breakout player like Tatis seems to make it all worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Isles 583 Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, JustinCharge said: Tatis signed a "cash advance" as a minor leaguer with a company that, in exchange for the instant cash, will forever take a cut of his future earnings. Unknown is the terms of the deal. https://sports.yahoo.com/fernando-tatis-jr-padres-340-million-minor-league-deal-mlb-000100819.html Fernando Tatis Jr. won't be seeing all of that $340 million, thanks to a deal he made as a minor leaguer Jack Baer Thu, February 18, 2021, 4:01 PM Baseball's latest massive payday arrived on Wednesday, this time in the form of Fernando Tatis Jr.'s 14-year, $340 million extension with the San Diego Padres. The deal is the longest in baseball history, the third largest in terms of total money committed and will keep a potential face of MLB in San Diego for the long term. It's a transformative deal for the Padres and the league as a whole. Tatis, however, won't be be able to enjoy as much of it as you would expect. The reason: a deal he made as a 19-year-old, more than a year before his MLB debut. What is Big League Advance, and why is it getting part of Fernando Tatis' contract? As The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal noted Thursday, a portion of Tatis' deal with the Padres will be going to Big League Advance, a company with a very specific, and some would say predatory, business model. Essentially, Big League Advance is an investment company, but instead of investing in businesses and properties, it invests in players. The company approaches minor leaguers and offers them a one-time payment in exchange for a small but significant cut of their earnings as an MLB player. If the minor leaguer's career doesn't pan out and he never makes it to MLB's lucrative free agency, it's a good deal for the player. However, if that player, say, becomes an MVP candidate and signs one of the largest contracts in baseball history, it's a bonanza for Big League Advance. The latter case is exactly what will happen in the case of Tatis, who reportedly signed a deal with Big League Advance during the 2017-18 offseason. The exact amount Tatis will be handing over to Big League Advance is unknown, but the company's website offers the following pay structure as an example: For example, Big League Advance may offer a player $50,000 for every 1% of his future professional earnings. If a player wanted to sign a deal for 5%, he would receive $250,000, or if he wanted to sign a deal for 10%, he would receive $500,000. While our offer amounts are non-negotiable, the percentage the player would like to give up is up to the player. So if Tatis took the largest payment, he would be set to pay Big League Advance $34 million over the course of 14 years. Not every player Big League Advance buys into will make the majors, but the possibility of landing a breakout player like Tatis seems to make it all worth it. On the moon - we already alluded to this Justin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,604 Posted February 20, 2021 Tatis' contract expires one year before Bobby Bonnillas does! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, JustinCharge said: The odds of him EVER doing better than his rookie year are very poor. and the odds of him not being worth 5 WAR annually are very poor as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: and the odds of him not being worth 5 WAR annually are very poor as well And the odds of him being traded to a big market team down the road are near certain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: And the odds of him being traded to a big market team down the road are near certain. I doubt that, the Padres are going to be one of the biggest markets going forward top 10 as long as Seidler is alive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I doubt that, the Padres are going to be one of the biggest markets going forward top 10 as long as Seidler is alive So was Texas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So was Texas. Texas didnt have the farm system to sustain it though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Texas didnt have the farm system to sustain it though They did in the beginning. That’s why A Rod signed there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: They did in the beginning. That’s why A Rod signed there. guess id have to look back, Padres just moved over 30 prospects and still have the most top 100 prospects including two top 10 I am trying to remember any prospects that Texas produced back then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: guess id have to look back, Padres just moved over 30 prospects and still have the most top 100 prospects including two top 10 I am trying to remember any prospects that Texas produced back then It doesn’t matter if they did. It’s what they were telling him. Farm systems don’t stay at the top for long. You start winning and getting worse picks if it works out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It doesn’t matter if they did. It’s what they were telling him. Farm systems don’t stay at the top for long. You start winning and getting worse picks if it works out. outside of Gore, none of the Padres top prospects are draft picks, they are always top 3 international signing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 5:48 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said: guess id have to look back, Padres just moved over 30 prospects and still have the most top 100 prospects including two top 10 I am trying to remember any prospects that Texas produced back then rays have the most top 100 prospects. they have 1, 19, 34, 50, 72, 84, 85, 90. padres have the 6, 8, 45, 62. but yah the rays can trade snell because they have young arms coming up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 22, 2021 indians have a chain of trades going on. the indians signed bartolo colon in 1993. they traded colon in 02 and in return got back cliff lee. in 2009, they traded lee and in return got carlos carassco and jason donald. the carlos carassco branch just got sent away in 2021 in a package for isaiah greene, josh wolf, andres gimenez, and ahmed rosario. the jason donald branch was traded in 2012 along with OF shin-soo choo, lars anderson and tony sipp in a 3 team trade in return for travor bauer. bauer was traded in another 3 team trade for logan allen and franmil reyes. this chain has so far involved 3 Cy Young award winners (colon, lee, bauer) for the moment it is up to logan allen to win a cy young. another oddity is that the indians drafted another logan allen last year. both logan allens are lefty pitchers. you can win via the draft, via top international signings, or by trading for prospects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 22, 2021 I know the chargers are in LA now, but is San Diego the only place with a baseball and a football team that never won a championship in either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I know the chargers are in LA now, but is San Diego the only place with a baseball and a football team that never won a championship in either? Yes. Although in modern times, you might better ask about Super Bowls / World Series. Even then, you are only adding Cleveland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted February 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I know the chargers are in LA now, but is San Diego the only place with a baseball and a football team that never won a championship in either? you can add basketball too ironically they also have the winningest franchise in professional sports history The San Diego Sockers won 13 championships in 16 seasons of Indoor Soccer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 28, 2021 There are 4 teams that have never won the Lamar Hunt AFC trophy: The Browns, Texans, Jaguars, and Jets. The Jets went to the Super Bowl before the Lamar Hunt trophy existed. Only 1 team has never won the George Halas NFC trophy: The Lions. The last team to win their first conference trophy was the Chiefs 2 years ago. And the trophy is named after a Chief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,961 Posted February 28, 2021 Who holds the all time home run record for the Padres? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,228 Posted March 1, 2021 21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Who holds the all time home run record for the Padres? Tony Gwynn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,975 Posted March 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Who holds the all time home run record for the Padres? Adrian gonzalez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
