Alec Baldwin killed a woman

[MLCKAA 512]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Props don't normally fire live rounds.  HTH.

You’re deliberately ignoring the fact that it was being used as a movie prop and was given to him to use as such.  He’d never have any reason to think it would have live rounds.  This is all preposterous.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

Damn I'm  good.

Correction...WE'RE good. 

[Gepetto 1,192]

15 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

You’re deliberately ignoring the fact that it was being used as a movie prop and was given to him to use as such.  He’d never have any reason to think it would have live rounds.  This is all preposterous.

There are guns used in movies called Prop Guns - incapable of firing ammunition.

There are real guns used in movies which can be either unloaded, loaded with blanks, or loaded with live ammunition.

The gun involved in the Alec Baldwin case was Not a prop gun by the definition of a prop gun.

[MLCKAA 512]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

There are guns used in movies called Prop Guns - incapable of firing ammunition.

There are real guns used in movies which can be either unloaded, loaded with blanks, or loaded with live ammunition.

The gun involved in the Alec Baldwin case was Not a prop gun by the definition of a prop gun.

What I’ve read is that most “prop” guns are real guns for the purpose of authenticity.  The point is, if an actor is handed a gun to use while filming a scene, he’d have no reason to believe it had live rounds because it is only for prop purposes.

[Gepetto 1,192]

7 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

What I’ve read is that most “prop” guns are real guns for the purpose of authenticity.  The point is, if an actor is handed a gun to use while filming a scene, he’d have no reason to believe it had live rounds because it is only for prop purposes.

You make good points. 

[Patented Phil 1,275]

5 hours ago, peenie said:

I'm glad he is getting tried for this. That woman's life mattered. 

Was she black?

[IGotWorms 4,028]

16 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Was she black?

Don’t be a d0uche, Phyllis 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Wait, we can question the courts now? I’m so confused. I thought we were supposed to respect their findings? 

[seafoam1 2,537]

2 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

What I’ve read is that most “prop” guns are real guns for the purpose of authenticity.  The point is, if an actor is handed a gun to use while filming a scene, he’d have no reason to believe it had live rounds because it is only for prop purposes.

Would you take that chance? I wouldn't. Plus, it's rule to not point it at anyone. He didn't follow that either.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,051]

He had live round on his belt too. He could have got away with the perfect crime. 

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

13 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

You’re deliberately ignoring the fact that it was being used as a movie prop and was given to him to use as such.  He’d never have any reason to think it would have live rounds.  This is all preposterous.

 

Things I've stated multiple times, you are wasting your breath. 

This case has turned political and hence the reason for the charge, IMO. This trial will end with a not guilty verdict against Baldwin. The armorer probably will be found guilty though, as should the asst. director who inspected the gun, but cut a deal.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Things I've stated multiple times, you are wasting your breath. 

This case has turned political and hence the reason for the charge, IMO. This trial will end with a not guilty verdict against Baldwin. The armorer probably will be found guilty though, as should the asst. director who inspected the gun, but cut a deal.

Where else in America can you shoot someone and blame it on someone else for not inspecting the gun properly and making sure there were no live rounds in it?

The duty is upon the person holding and firing the gun to ensure it is not loaded with live rounds.  That is the DE-FACTO rule #1 when dealing with firearms.  It is NOT a suggestion or a guideline.  It is literally a rule.  Always assume it is loaded unless you, yourself have visually inspected it.

I don't understand why you're having such a hard time with this.  Any other Joe Blow would have been charged.

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Where else in America can you shoot someone and blame it on someone else for not inspecting the gun properly and making sure there were no live rounds in it?

The duty is upon the person holding and firing the gun to ensure it is not loaded with live rounds.  That is DE-FACTO rule #1 when dealing with firearms.  Always assume it is loaded unless you, yourself have visually inspected it.

I don't understand why you're having such a hard time with this.  Any other Joe Blow would have been charged.

If it was a war movie, and the prop guy handed him a grenade that he is to throw at the enemy and he does it and it was live, would you charge the actor or prop master for not doing there job. No, you would charge the person who gave them a live grenade.  It was not his job to be an expert in weapons, it was not his job to inspect the gun(most sets, they are told not to mess with the guns ever). They can request to be shown that there are no lives round in the gun, but prop or safety person is the one that is supposed to do that for the actor.  IF they have ben told that has in fact happened(as he was assured that it was done twice on his set), they are not under any obligation to triple check that---nor would he have the knowledge to know the difference between live and dummy rounds that were loaded into the gun for realism(this was supposed to be shot facing the camera---so dummy rounds should have been loaded) That DE-FACTO rule is on a movie set, it's the armorer and safety person's job RESPONSIBILITY for this,  the actor is a playing a role and assuming they have expert knowledge of everything around them is silly. 

Everyone here seems to be having a hard time understanding that fact. 

 

[lickin_starfish 1,786]

Why did Baldwin lie and say he didn't pull the trigger?

[Strike 4,815]

Just wondering if any of those who defended Baldwin in this thread change their minds if there is video footage of him repeatedly being reckless with guns on set:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/06/20/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-video-gun-handling/

[iam90sbaby 2,300]

Not sure about the case but I do know one thing... If Alec Baldwin was a conservative Mike Honcho would say he needs be behind bars

[seafoam1 2,537]

3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Not sure about the case but I do know one thing... If Alec Baldwin was a conservative Mike Honcho would say he needs be behind bars

There is no bigger on the planet. 

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White 114]

33 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Not sure about the case but I do know one thing... If Alec Baldwin was a conservative Mike Honcho would say he needs be behind bars

Nah more like electric chair 

[seafoam1 2,537]

2 minutes ago, Ron 'Tator Salad' White said:

Nah more like electric chair 

honcho suffers in life daily. All his own doing. 

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Just wondering if any of those who defended Baldwin in this thread change their minds if there is video footage of him repeatedly being reckless with guns on set:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/06/20/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-video-gun-handling/

Based on that article, it doesn't change my mind, but I will reserve judgement until I see the evidence. 

[Engorgeous George 1,785]

1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

Not sure about the case but I do know one thing... If Alec Baldwin was a conservative Mike Honcho would say he needs be behind bars

I find Honcho to be fairly reasonable. 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

First day of trial, Baldwin’s lawyers are trying to walk back his claim that he didn’t pull the trigger. Jesus that was a dumb thing to have claimed

 

At trial, the actor’s lawyers appeared to temper that claim a bit, saying that no witnesses had seen Mr. Baldwin “intentionally” pull the trigger on the set that day. But even if he did, his defense argued, it would not be against the law to do so while filming a scene for a movie.

“On a movie set, you’re allowed to pull the trigger,” Mr. Spiro said in court. “So even if — even if — he intentionally pulled the trigger like the prosecutor just demonstrated, that doesn’t make him guilty of homicide.”

Mr. Spiro warned the jury against deciding a case based on whether or not a defendant “misspoke” or said something that ended up not being correct.

[seafoam1 2,537]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

First day of trial, Baldwin’s lawyers are trying to walk back his claim that he didn’t pull the trigger. Jesus that was a dumb thing to have claimed

 

At trial, the actor’s lawyers appeared to temper that claim a bit, saying that no witnesses had seen Mr. Baldwin “intentionally” pull the trigger on the set that day. But even if he did, his defense argued, it would not be against the law to do so while filming a scene for a movie.

“On a movie set, you’re allowed to pull the trigger,” Mr. Spiro said in court. “So even if — even if — he intentionally pulled the trigger like the prosecutor just demonstrated, that doesn’t make him guilty of homicide.”

Mr. Spiro warned the jury against deciding a case based on whether or not a defendant “misspoke” or said something that ended up not being correct.

I don't think anyone believes it's homicide, they simply know it's manslaughter. At least not necessarily a murder. 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

25 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't think anyone believes it's homicide, they simply know it's manslaughter. At least not necessarily a murder. 

Personally I don’t think it’s anything. Well other than whoever is responsible for the real bullet getting on set

[seafoam1 2,537]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Personally I don’t think it’s anything. Well other than whoever is responsible for the real bullet getting on set

So you don't think someone pointing, and shooting a gun at someone, should in any way be held accountable for the result of that action? I mean, it takes a whole society of people to function properly to make a safe environment, doesn't it? 

It's called measures of checks and balances right? Everyone involved is responsible? 

So if someone hands me a gun, and I shoot it at someone and they get killed by it, I good to.go if I say I didn't think it was loaded? 

And wasn't this guy in charge of the whole production and it's processes? 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

18 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

So you don't think someone pointing, and shooting a gun at someone, should in any way be held accountable for the result of that action? I mean, it takes a whole society of people to function properly to make a safe environment, doesn't it? 

It's called measures of checks and balances right? Everyone involved is responsible? 

So if someone hands me a gun, and I shoot it at someone and they get killed by it, I good to.go if I say I didn't think it was loaded? 

And wasn't this guy in charge of the whole production and it's processes? 

You’re aware they were on a movie set, right? Filming a movie? You know that Alec Baldwin is a movie actor, yes? 

[Alias Detective 1,313]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Filming a movie?

 

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re aware they were on a movie set, right? Filming a movie? You know that Alec Baldwin is a movie actor, yes? 

Not at that moment.  He was screwing around practicing.  I believe. 

[seafoam1 2,537]

14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re aware they were on a movie set, right? Filming a movie? You know that Alec Baldwin is a movie actor, yes? 

And producer AND human regular being AND a guy who thinks and breathes. People aren't responsible for irresponsible activity when they are on a movie set focking around with a gun? 

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re aware they were on a movie set, right? Filming a movie? You know that Alec Baldwin is a movie actor, yes? 

He's aware that Alec Baldwin portrayed Trump for 4 years. 

[Gepetto 1,192]

Prosecution screwed up. Seth Kenney had delivered ammo related to the set to the Sheriff, that the prosecution never informed the defense about.

CASE DISMISSED by the Judge.

Alec Baldwin in tears when he heard the judge dismiss the case. Wife in tears.

Charges cannot be refiled as case was dismissed with prejudice.

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

Bummer, I was expecting he prosecution to present this "case" and then a directed verdict of "Not Guilty" for failing to prove their case. 

[seafoam1 2,537]

11 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Bummer, I was expecting he prosecution to present this "case" and then a directed verdict of "Not Guilty" for failing to prove their case. 

I'm at least glad he had to go through the whole ordeal. He's a piece of shlt. Him crying like a baby in public works for me.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

Wow.  somebody died through negligence and no one is going to be held responsible.

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wow.  somebody died through negligence and no one is going to be held responsible.

I were person plead guilty for a reduced sentence and one person is in jail.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I were person plead guilty for a reduced sentence and one person is in jail.  

You don't think they're getting out now?  I do.  The prosecution fubared this six ways to Sunday.

[Mike Honcho 4,731]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You don't think they're getting out now?  I do.  The prosecution fubared this six ways to Sunday.

When that happens we can revisit the "no one is going to be held responsible."  IMO, the two people responsible have been held accountable, as I have explained many times in this thread.

But I agree 100% the prosecution fubared this six ways to Sunday when they charged Baldwin with this crime.  

[seafoam1 2,537]

24 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

When that happens we can revisit the "no one is going to be held responsible."  IMO, the two people responsible have been held accountable, as I have explained many times in this thread.

But I agree 100% the prosecution fubared this six ways to Sunday when they charged Baldwin with this crime.  

It was good to see him cry. I hope this shlt haunts his personal life forever. 

[Gepetto 1,192]

48 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wow.  somebody died through negligence and no one is going to be held responsible.

The armorer already had her trail. Convicted and sentenced to prison for 18 months. She's in prison now. Although, I think she will be released now at some point.

[Gepetto 1,192]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It was good to see him cry. I hope this shlt haunts his personal life forever. 

Well he cried because he was happy, not sad. I'm not sure how that brings you joy when you're against him.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,425]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

The armorer already had her trail. Convicted and sentenced to prison for 18 months. She's in prison now.

Her lawyers are already filing an appeal.  The news is that basically she has a good chance of being released.

https://deadline.com/2024/07/alec-baldwin-trial-dismissed-rust-1236008918/