Waiver picks-how do you FAIRLY do it?

[huskyhater75 242]

  We've had our league for 30 years now-6 of us (10 team league) have been in it the whole time. The waiver "system" we now have in place is that you have to wait until 6:00 am Tuesday morning (no order, just first come first serve) to pick up players-we are limited from 10:00 am Sunday until 6:00 am Tuesday................sounds fair, right? Well we have this ONE guy-and for instance this morning (I'm wise to him) I punched in for Dillon at 5:59 and 52 seconds to pick him up-but our local "amazing picker" had already got him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you guys out there decide how/who/whatever gets picks for waivers? Ours is total 100% Bull$hit. Thanks for your time.

[SF Forty Niners 22]

1 minute ago, huskyhater75 said:

  We've had our league for 30 years now-6 of us (10 team league) have been in it the whole time. The waiver "system" we now have in place is that you have to wait until 6:00 am Tuesday morning (no order, just first come first serve) to pick up players-we are limited from 10:00 am Sunday until 6:00 am Tuesday................sounds fair, right? Well we have this ONE guy-and for instance this morning (I'm wise to him) I punched in for Dillon at 5:59 and 52 seconds to pick him up-but our local "amazing picker" had already got him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you guys out there decide how/who/whatever gets picks for waivers? Ours is total 100% Bull$hit. Thanks for your time.

Well if you agreed to the terms at draft then you agreed  IMO 

[Law 241]

I have 5 leagues. Each has a different waiver style.

My main league has the waiver order reset each week based on the standings (worst team first). Waivers run Wednesday morning and after that it's first come first serve.

Another league is like the first except waivers run on Thursday.

Another league has no waivers. It's open season all the time. Once a player's game starts, you can't drop him till the next morning, but it's pretty much open. You have to be quick when news breaks!

The other two leagues run on Tuesday, but the waiver order is not reset each week - it runs continuously. I don't like this method as it discourages waiver claims.

 

I prefer the method of the first two leagues - waiver order reset each week based on standings and then first come first serve thereafter.

(note: i get up at 4:30am on waiver run days to get the FAs I want) #IamADork

 

[weepaws 3,062]

14 team non ppr league I’ve been in it since 1988, we will be going 1/2 ppr next season.  

But after many years of worst to first wavier order we went FAAB years ago , it works really good.  

My other two leagues worst to first wavier    

[huskyhater75 242]

36 minutes ago, Law said:

I have 5 leagues. Each has a different waiver style.

My main league has the waiver order reset each week based on the standings (worst team first). Waivers run Wednesday morning and after that it's first come first serve.

Another league is like the first except waivers run on Thursday.

Another league has no waivers. It's open season all the time. Once a player's game starts, you can't drop him till the next morning, but it's pretty much open. You have to be quick when news breaks!

The other two leagues run on Tuesday, but the waiver order is not reset each week - it runs continuously. I don't like this method as it discourages waiver claims.

 

I prefer the method of the first two leagues - waiver order reset each week based on standings and then first come first serve thereafter.

(note: i get up at 4:30am on waiver run days to get the FAs I want) #IamADork

 

I'm right with you man-about the early morning/dork part, AND I agree with you about your first 2 leagues. Our "geniuses" don't/won't change anything whether it's changing the day or whatever. I'll take a pic of your post and send it to my league members, thank you. Good luck this week.

[Da_Bears 14]

Via ESPN league settings, we have a $100 waiver purse per team.  Owner who claims with highest bid in blind auction wins that player.

[Mile High Magic 8]

We use worst to first run on Tuesday then first come first serve after that. 5$ to drop add jacks up pot.

[weepaws 3,062]

Yea I like that ff owners pay for trades and drop adds.  

We do the same.  

[Donkey 34]

Yeah that system is pretty awful, so everyone has to set their alarm for 5:45 in the morning??

Any type of first come first serve system blows,

FAAB is the fairest and best system

A waiver system where there's an order and then you go to the back of the line is not bad if league wants to do something simpler

The worst to first not really fairest, it's a bit socialistic but I can see the place for leagues that are more for fun as it keeps everyone involved.

[rotisserieking 56]

Our league (going since 1998) is and always has been first come first serve. Never heard any complaints from anyone but we have a pretty active league and most guys are watching the games each week, so for example when Henry went down, McNichols was grabbed off waivers during the game. I know it's very unusual but it seems to work for us.

I am interested in the FAAB system but I can guarantee I won't get any support from the other owners.

[Redsox2020 1]

This is 2021.   Why every league is not using FAAB system is beyond me.   

[polecatt 474]

I've done it all sorts of ways.

The setting a time thing never works for various reasons. One, you can never get a perfect time. It's either too early, too late, while this person is at work, or that person is at work.

Then there's the :59 issue.  If you're gonna do that, you have to have a clock everybody can see.

I prefer to just do typical waivers. Last to first. To process on Tuesday night. Then after that initial weekly run, open waivers until the games start.

[jrokh 599]

33 minutes ago, Redsox2020 said:

This is 2021.   Why every league is not using FAAB system is beyond me.   

We went FAAB several years ago. Its like going from reading a clunky road map to using GPS. Its nostalgic to remember back to how things used to be... Any other system is highly inferior...

[Law 241]

Just now, jrokh said:

We went FAAB several years ago. Its like going from reading a clunky road map to using GPS. Its nostalgic to remember back to how things used to be... Any other system is highly inferior...

I respect your opinion to use FAAB, but I, personally, don't like it. To me, it's similar to the non-resetting waiver order that discourages waiver claims. FAAB creates a "stress" about waivers that I don't like to experience. "I want this player. Should I spend $19 or 20? Is that too much? Too little?"

Just not interested in having to put that much thought and effort and stress into it. If I want a player, I put in a claim. If my order number comes up first, I get them. If not, so be. On to the next guy. 

I've been in a league that uses FAAB. I passed this year because the admin struggled to get enough owners, but when I'm in that league, to me, the FAAB is the worst part of it.

JMO

[jrokh 599]

12 minutes ago, Law said:

I respect your opinion to use FAAB, but I, personally, don't like it. To me, it's similar to the non-resetting waiver order that discourages waiver claims. FAAB creates a "stress" about waivers that I don't like to experience. "I want this player. Should I spend $19 or 20? Is that too much? Too little?"

Just not interested in having to put that much thought and effort and stress into it. If I want a player, I put in a claim. If my order number comes up first, I get them. If not, so be. On to the next guy. 

I've been in a league that uses FAAB. I passed this year because the admin struggled to get enough owners, but when I'm in that league, to me, the FAAB is the worst part of it.

JMO

To each their own, but stressful? It takes me 5-10 minutes tops to set my bids each week, and it is mostly fun and never stressful...

[Redsox2020 1]

2 hours ago, Law said:

I respect your opinion to use FAAB, but I, personally, don't like it. To me, it's similar to the non-resetting waiver order that discourages waiver claims. FAAB creates a "stress" about waivers that I don't like to experience. "I want this player. Should I spend $19 or 20? Is that too much? Too little?"

Just not interested in having to put that much thought and effort and stress into it. If I want a player, I put in a claim. If my order number comes up first, I get them. If not, so be. On to the next guy. 

I've been in a league that uses FAAB. I passed this year because the admin struggled to get enough owners, but when I'm in that league, to me, the FAAB is the worst part of it.

JMO

Nothing wrong with it, but I take it you don't play FF for a lot of money.   The fairest way is FAAB, and there really is no debate.  

[Law 241]

4 minutes ago, Redsox2020 said:

Nothing wrong with it, but I take it you don't play FF for a lot of money.   The fairest way is FAAB, and there really is no debate.  

I don't prefer to play for money. Any normal amount of money put into and won from FF over a 16-17 week timeframe is not much worth the effort to gain. 

I'm perfectly super-competitive enough to win for the simple sake of winning.

[weepaws 3,062]

Yeah but you put money on the line makes it even more competitive.  

[Law 241]

11 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Yeah but you put money on the line makes it even more competitive.  

Not intending to divert from the OP's original topic, but no one in my main league has any issue mustering up competitive juices, money or not. They want to win and will bite and scratch their way to do it. They "fight" on every issue, use every tactic possible. Been so for 19 years now.

[Redsox2020 1]

23 minutes ago, Law said:

Not intending to divert from the OP's original topic, but no one in my main league has any issue mustering up competitive juices, money or not. They want to win and will bite and scratch their way to do it. They "fight" on every issue, use every tactic possible. Been so for 19 years now.

Yeah, don't mean to divert either.  Just seems if you were so competitive, you would want a shot of the top waiver priorities instead of letting the first person in line get him.  

[Law 241]

33 minutes ago, Redsox2020 said:

Yeah, don't mean to divert either.  Just seems if you were so competitive, you would want a shot of the top waiver priorities instead of letting the first person in line get him.  

First person in line is how the NFL does it. A player must clear waivers and then becomes and a free agent. I think, the other way, the best teams can too easily get even better. They can sit back and not bid on lessor, but still good players, and wait until an injury and/or stud appears and go all in. They can avoid to out bid lessor teams for the gems while those lessor teams spend FAAB on anyone who might marginally help their team improve.

 

[WR Guru 31]

12 team auction league in existence since the 90s.  Waivers process is blind bidding, with bids revealed at 9pm on Wed. (bidding real dollars within a salary cap).  From 9pm Wed through 1pm Sunday, it's first-come first-served for $1 per player.  

If it was a draft league, I'm sure we'd be using a similar system with FAAB.

Any system that advantages owners who are able to be online at some arbitrary time is bull***t.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

17 hours ago, weepaws said:

14 team non ppr league I’ve been in it since 1988, we will be going 1/2 ppr next season.  

But after many years of worst to first wavier order we went FAAB years ago , it works really good.  

My other two leagues worst to first wavier    

This. FAAB is the fairest way.  Had our league for 22 years now and we just implemented FAAB like 3 years ago.  Wished we would have done it a decade or more ago.

Each team gets $500 waiver bucks for the season.  Those bucks can also be traded to other teams for players as well.  For example, traded my draft spot this year - TWICE - for another $150 bucks so before the season started I already had $650 dollars..  I also gave up Latavius Murray for $100 waiver bucks earlier this year. 

Waivers lock from noon Sunday to 7pm CST Tuesday night (to give people to do research, get home from work, dinner, etc...).  If  you're the high bid - you win.  You have no money because you blew your wad the first 2 weeks of the season?  Tough sh#t.  That's on you.

[weepaws 3,062]

7 hours ago, Law said:

Not intending to divert from the OP's original topic, but no one in my main league has any issue mustering up competitive juices, money or not. They want to win and will bite and scratch their way to do it. They "fight" on every issue, use every tactic possible. Been so for 19 years now.

I do understand your position, when I first started back in 1988 we didn’t play for money for many seasons, but once that was boring we started playing for money and because of the money it cost not to just join this league but also to make drop adds and you even pay for the position you finish in total points weekly.  

We found out that keeps even the teams having the worst of luck competitive though out the season.  

But hey no money works for you and your mates good times.  

[weepaws 3,062]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

This. FAAB is the fairest way.  Had our league for 22 years now and we just implemented FAAB like 3 years ago.  Wished we would have done it a decade or more ago.

Each team gets $500 waiver bucks for the season.  Those bucks can also be traded to other teams for players as well.  For example, traded my draft spot this year - TWICE - for another $150 bucks so before the season started I already had $650 dollars..  I also gave up Latavius Murray for $100 waiver bucks earlier this year. 

Waivers lock from noon Sunday to 7pm CST Tuesday night (to give people to do research, get home from work, dinner, etc...).  If  you're the high bid - you win.  You have no money because you blew your wad the first 2 weeks of the season?  Tough sh#t.  That's on you.

I like that, trading for wavier bucks , we just started FAAB three seasons ago, so this is our fourth season, but we don’t use them in trades, I’m going break that up during one of the leagues offseason meetings, thanks for sharing that great ideal.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

I like that, trading for wavier bucks , we just started FAAB three seasons ago, so this is our fourth season, but we don’t use them in trades, I’m going break that up during one of the leagues offseason meetings, thanks for sharing that great ideal.  

And when I say I "traded my draft spot", I was originally #8.  Guy gave me $100 buck to move from #8 to #12.  The #10 guy wanted the 12th spot so he then gave me $50 to move to #10 - WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE DRAFT SPOT I ORIGINALLY WANTED!!   

[Law 241]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

I don’t understand your position.  

Simple. If the league has a smaller buy in of $100, it's risk/reward means very little for some owners. If it's higher, say $1000, that excludes several people who want to play but can't reasonably do that. To me, whatever money I put in, is not going to be worth the 17 weeks of time - assuming even a modest, for me, two hours of time invested in a league each week. That's 34 hours. How much would an owner need to win to make that time investment worthwhile? It might be too high for some owners to even play.

Besides, I don't need the money more than I need the entertainment. I can generate "competition" all by myself. I don't need the "risk" of money to create it.

But, to each their own.

[weepaws 3,062]

4 hours ago, weepaws said:

I do understand your position, when I first started back in 1988 we didn’t play for money for many seasons, but once that was boring we started playing for money and because of the money it cost not to just join this league but also to make drop adds and you even pay for the position you finish in total points weekly.  

We found out that keeps even the teams having the worst of luck competitive though out the season.  

But hey no money works for you and your mates good times.  

 

1 hour ago, Law said:

Simple. If the league has a smaller buy in of $100, it's risk/reward means very little for some owners. If it's higher, say $1000, that excludes several people who want to play but can't reasonably do that. To me, whatever money I put in, is not going to be worth the 17 weeks of time - assuming even a modest, for me, two hours of time invested in a league each week. That's 34 hours. How much would an owner need to win to make that time investment worthwhile? It might be too high for some owners to even play.

Besides, I don't need the money more than I need the entertainment. I can generate "competition" all by myself. I don't need the "risk" of money to create it.

But, to each their own.

Sorry I meant do, and didn’t notice I put down don’t.  

 

[weepaws 3,062]

3 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And when I say I "traded my draft spot", I was originally #8.  Guy gave me $100 buck to move from #8 to #12.  The #10 guy wanted the 12th spot so he then gave me $50 to move to #10 - WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE DRAFT SPOT I ORIGINALLY WANTED!!   

See I like that style.  

[huskyhater75 242]

It isn't the money (100 entry, 400 for winner) in our league, we've all known each other forever, all played football, and LOVE to argue/dispute/drink beer when we get together. Win/lose/draw, I wouldn't trade a minute of it for anything, all good guys in our league-although I DO suck this year...................whatever.

[easilyscan 747]

1 hour ago, huskyhater75 said:

It isn't the money (100 entry, 400 for winner) in our league, we've all known each other forever, all played football, and LOVE to argue/dispute/drink beer when we get together. Win/lose/draw, I wouldn't trade a minute of it for anything, all good guys in our league-although I DO suck this year...................whatever.

That sounds like fun. Been playing since 2005, & always wanted to get together for an off-line draft, but since they're all coworkers & we have 4 different crews, it never worked out.

 

[Ray_T 725]

23 hours ago, Da_Bears said:

Via ESPN league settings, we have a $100 waiver purse per team.  Owner who claims with highest bid in blind auction wins that player.

honestly, this is the fairest way.

and if you spend that money wisely, it goes a long way.

spend it stupidly, and it hinders you.

it adds an element of skill to the waiver wire process.

 

[Einstein's Dog 24]

I've done most of the methods - worst to first, FAAB, 24/7, and one where it starts from reverse order of draft and reorders according to use - this is the one where people say "I don't know if it's worth using my waiver priority".

I prefer worst to first.  The person with the worst record is in line for that weeks top pick. 

And for the record, I understand and agree with Law on the criticism of added anxiety/stress of  FAAB.  It's similar to the difference between auction vs snake drafts.

 

[jrokh 599]

13 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I understand and agree with Law on the criticism of added anxiety/stress of  FAAB.  It's similar to the difference between auction vs snake drafts.

No it isn't. In an auction draft you are literally against the clock. You have seconds to decide if you want to outbid someone. With FAAB you can leisurely set your bids. I don't know if your process is different, but it takes me less than 10 minutes. I am not sure what is stressful about it...

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

8 minutes ago, jrokh said:

No it isn't. In an auction draft you are literally against the clock. You have seconds to decide if you want to outbid someone. With FAAB you can leisurely set your bids. I don't know if your process is different, but it takes me less than 10 minutes. I am not sure what is stressful about it...

Agreed.  No stress at all - unless you blew your wad in the 1st couple weeks and have no money left.

[weepaws 3,062]

33 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Agreed.  No stress at all - unless you blew your wad in the 1st couple weeks and have no money left.

Love those ff owners.  

[Einstein's Dog 24]

6 hours ago, jrokh said:

No it isn't. In an auction draft you are literally against the clock. You have seconds to decide if you want to outbid someone. With FAAB you can leisurely set your bids. I don't know if your process is different, but it takes me less than 10 minutes. I am not sure what is stressful about it...

Some people don't like the FAAB approach.  You do.  Law and I don't.  For us the FAAB process adds unnecessary hassle.

As to the OP, I would recommend going to a waiver wire that gives the worst team the first pick, etc.   Very fair.

[Redsox2020 1]

48 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Some people don't like the FAAB approach.  You do.  Law and I don't.  For us the FAAB process adds unnecessary hassle.

As to the OP, I would recommend going to a waiver wire that gives the worst team the first pick, etc.   Very fair.

Agree to disagree.   The worst team should not benefit from being the worst team.  This isn’t real life nfl.  This is fantasy.  

[jrokh 599]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Some people don't like the FAAB approach.  You do.  Law and I don't.  For us the FAAB process adds unnecessary hassle.

As to the OP, I would recommend going to a waiver wire that gives the worst team the first pick, etc.   Very fair.

Fair if you’re a commie…

[easilyscan 747]

2 hours ago, Redsox2020 said:

Agree to disagree.   The worst team should not benefit from being the worst team.  This isn’t real life nfl.  This is fantasy.  

Thank You