nuclear war - doomsday⌛

[seafoam1 2,579]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

I get the womanish semantics game you're trying to play by purposefully using present tense, but you posted under craftsman, then you had some other one I can't remember before that, and, of course, the original seafoam.

But you know exactly what I meant, and chose to be womanish instead of just addressing the point.

Other one you can't remember? 

And what does any of this have to do with your period? 

So you have been on this site since 2000, snd I've posted here off and on since 2017. What's your focking lame point?

[nobody 2,482]

24 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Other one you can't remember? 

And what does any of this have to do with your period? 

So you have been on this site since 2000, snd I've posted here off and on since 2017. What's your focking lame point?

My point is still the same as the first time I made it.  That you're too scared to admit you posted under those handles.

[seafoam1 2,579]

53 minutes ago, nobody said:

My point is still the same as the first time I made it.  That you're too scared to admit you posted under those handles.

Scared of what? You? And all your other aliases? Coming to get me are you peanut? 

[weepaws 3,035]

26 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Scared of what? You? And all your other aliases? Coming to get me are you peanut? 

Coward.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,284]

Poor Rusty has to make friends on the internet.  Sad. 

[Voltaire 4,979]

9 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Because there was a time when everybody knew each other, and Geek meets were frequent. I sent out my "Shark Dance" CD to dozens of Geeks and had their real names and addresses for mailing purposes. I ran across that notebook the other day with all those addresses while consolidating some boxes in the attic. I met an ancient Geek for a beer a couple of weeks ago when he was in town meeting his brother, and he and I have a group phone text going with three others. And the other four got together at a bar recently. I've partied with wiffleball, and he and I met up with Bert at his ranch shack for drinking, gambling, fishing and shooting guns.

My real name was linked to a lot of stuff here. I had links to four of my five albums until the links just expired.

I'm Facebook friends with a bunch of Geeks, including several who still post here.

So it wasn't all that hard for HT to research my life, run down my wives and snoop their Facebook pages and elsewhere to creepily note his knowledge of their hair color. I'm sure Justy did the same thing, only it wasn't one bit cool that he'd post something with my kid's name on it. The moderators deleted it, and I think he got a suspension for it, even though I hadn't reported him for it.

The fatal flaw for anyone here is to take themselves too seriously, take anything personal and engage in genuinely vindictive behavior, which is what that paranoid fruitcake Justy did by posting something with my kid's name attached to it and then making his veiled threat.

And he wonders why I find new and creative ways to live rent-free in a mind that whirls with the intensity of Jupiter's red spot.

Has he ever done anything offline to harass you or has he kept it all on FFToday?

[MLCKAA 519]

I tried to tell y’all a few months ago— there are wackos out there who are gonna go too far with all this hilarious banter and take it into the real world.

Does anyone listen to good ol’ MLCKAA?  No, of course not.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,284]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Has he ever done anything offline to harass you or has he kept it all on FFToday?

Neither. You still want to be an idiot I see. Have fun. 

[Voltaire 4,979]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Neither. You still want to be an idiot I see. Have fun. 

You've spooked him enough already by researching him to cross a line. I'd feel a lot better about it all to know that's where it ends. In fairness, you've only busted his balls a bit that I know of. He's never indicated that you've done him any IRL harassment and so I hope you've had the decency not to. I am just looking to verify.

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

10 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

You've spooked him enough already by researching him to cross a line. I'd feel a lot better about it all to know that's where it ends. In fairness, you've only busted his balls a bit that I know of. He's never indicated that you've done him any IRL harassment and so I hope you've had the decency not to. I am just looking to verify.

I wouldn't call it spooked. I just think it's going a bit too far to research public records, find out the name of my first wife (whom I don't believe I've ever mentioned here), do a search to find a pic and then brag about how he knows her hair color. I know exactly how he did it. 

Justy went way over the line when he posted something that had my son's name on it. The post was removed, and he got suspended for it. 

This creepy fock keeps projecting what's going on within the whirling hall of knives of a brain he has. 

[TheNewGirl 1,209]

On 7/9/2023 at 5:22 AM, MLCKAA said:

I tried to tell y’all a few months ago— there are wackos out there who are gonna go too far with all this hilarious banter and take it into the real world.

Does anyone listen to good ol’ MLCKAA?  No, of course not.

I listen to you. I'd do whatever you told me to do. 

 

[MLCKAA 519]

4 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

I listen to you. I'd do whatever you told me to do. 

 

🪵

[Mookz 1,312]

8 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

I listen to you. I'd do whatever you told me to do. 

 

I think it just moved. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I notice some here are grossly misinformed about what is going on so ill explain.

If Moscow attacked and bombed Washington DC, the American people would demand that our government nuke Russia.  That is plain and simple to understand.  Well, the US has actually attacked and bombed Moscow this year. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65753825

Russia says Ukraine launched "a terrorist drone attack" on Moscow on Tuesday, with several buildings damaged.

It is the first time Moscow has been so heavily targeted in a single operation, but Ukraine denies carrying out the strikes.

 

Remember, war is not a courtroom.  The Russian people and most of the Russian government are blaming the US for this attack, via proxy thru NATO and Ukraine.  The Russian people are demanding the US get nuked in retaliation. Most in the government want to nuke.  Putin is the guy saying no.

Its just a matter of time.  While some here want to focus on no nuclear war by the end of 2022 as I said, or no nuclear war YET, this is terrifying.

 

 

[League Champion 1,790]

 

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

I notice some here are grossly misinformed about what is going on so ill explain.

If Moscow attacked and bombed Washington DC, the American people would demand that our government nuke Russia.  That is plain and simple to understand.  Well, the US has actually attacked and bombed Moscow this year. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65753825

Russia says Ukraine launched "a terrorist drone attack" on Moscow on Tuesday, with several buildings damaged.

It is the first time Moscow has been so heavily targeted in a single operation, but Ukraine denies carrying out the strikes.

 

Remember, war is not a courtroom.  The Russian people and most of the Russian government are blaming the US for this attack, via proxy thru NATO and Ukraine.  The Russian people are demanding the US get nuked in retaliation. Most in the government want to nuke.  Putin is the guy saying no.

Its just a matter of time.  While some here want to focus on no nuclear war by the end of 2022 as I said, or no nuclear war YET, this is terrifying.

 

 

Russia attacked Ukraine so should Ukraine nuke them?

[seafoam1 2,579]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Russia attacked Ukraine so should Ukraine nuke them?

No. They would get crushed.

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

No. They would get crushed.

I thought they were already getting crushed?

[seafoam1 2,579]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I thought they were already getting crushed?

Little by little.

[Hawkeye21 2,238]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Little by little.

And we are getting nuked... when?

[nobody 2,482]

It's clear Justin doesn't understand the following concepts:

Mutually Assured Destruction, brinkmanship, saber rattling, proportional responses, arms sales, false flag, propaganda, optics, politicians using false pretense, what a civil war is, what a guarantee is, what a source is, and what an expert is.

I won't bother explaining though because it'll do no good.

[seafoam1 2,579]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

And we are getting nuked... when?

Beats me. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

22 minutes ago, nobody said:

It's clear Justin doesn't understand the following concepts:

Mutually Assured Destruction, brinkmanship, saber rattling, proportional responses, arms sales, false flag, propaganda, optics, politicians using false pretense, what a civil war is, what a guarantee is, what a source is, and what an expert is.

I won't bother explaining though because it'll do no good.

The world has been in agreement for decades that Iran should never get nukes because everyone agrees they would use them.  Its at a point where Israel will bomb their nuclear facilities if they suspect they are close to building them.  Meanwhile, the world is in agreement that Russia is bluffing.  Together its insane reasoning.  The positions make no sense.

But here is what make sense.  They know Russia will use them but cannot stop it, so our leaders are just lying to us about it and falsely claiming its a bluff with no evidence.  Except for Joe Biden, who as leader has repeatedly come out and said its not a bluff but people like Nobody ignore it.  When it comes to Iran, our leaders also know that theyd use them but can actually prevent them Iran from building them by bombing their facilities if they get close.

But nevermind, people like nobody just lap up the talking points and what Joe Biden says, well, he memory holes that.

And every time I point out the their guy Biden has said nuclear war is a real threat, they go quiet for a couple weeks or so, then after theyve memory holed it, they go back and say im wrong.  we weve been doing this dance for months.  right now nobody is desperately trying to forget AGAIN what his boy Biden said.  nobody fully trusts biden and refuses to relenetlessly mock him for warning of nuclear war.  but doesnt do the same for me.   he needs a straight jacket.

[nobody 2,482]

First of all Iran may use a tactical nuke on Israel.  They would immediately be wiped off the planet.  There is not a guarantee they would.  But you know what really is 100% sure they won't use nukes?  Not allowing them to have them.  So your whole premise is false.  There is no guarantee that Iran would use them.

As for Biden, he said there was a risk of Russia using nukes.  Literally no one disagrees with that.  Somehow in your head that equates to Biden saying Russia is going to nuke the US, but the funny part about that whole stance is that supposedly we can't believe anything Biden ever says.  He's liar and dumb and weak and can't be trusted, but when he says there exists a risk Russia will use nuclear weapons, all the sudden that gets twisted into Russia is guaranteed to nuke the US and we should treat that as beyond reproach.

Look, I get we think this is going to sell more prepper gear from your online store, but let's at least try to have some sort of cogent line of thinking.

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

4 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

I notice some here are grossly misinformed about what is going on so ill explain. If Moscow attacked and bombed Washington DC, the American people would demand that our government nuke Russia. 

 

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Hitting DC would mean Russia was able to survive long enough to engage in a third stage attack profile. The American people would demand nothing. 39 other major cities would be hit. This is established nuclear strategy across all nations. First you hit all known and projected missile sites and key military infrastructure, to prevent a second wave of attacks.  Second you hit power plants, dams, major financial districts, ports, major food production, communications centers, etc , etc. Third, you go after the largest population districts. At that point, you want to guarantee that if the world has fight with sticks and stones, that the other side has fewer people to carry a stick or a stone.  

No one would be able to demand anything. No one would be able to communicate. Both DARPA and French DGSE have run simulations. Within the first 30 months, the projections say the casualty count worldwide will be about 5.5 billion. That's a pretty staggering cost to take out one city. 

If Putin and Russia wants to massacre DC so badly, why not use chemical weapons and hire the Taliban to deliver it? What will the US do? Reinvade Afghanistan again? 

If you have houseflies, what do you do? You maybe put up some fly strips. You get a fly swatter. You check the house and make sure your screen doors have no leaks in them. You don't burn the entire house down first.  You don't go from parked in the garage to 200mph instantly. Is nuclear holocaust possible? Yes. Is it likely under the conditions you've listed out over time? Doubtful. 

The subject of nuclear war is so vast, that it encompasses it's own discipline now. If it interests you so much, you can invest in learning from it beyond whatever sources you are using right now. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

 

Look, I get we think this is going to sell more prepper gear from your online store, but let's at least try to have some sort of cogent line of thinking.

 

 

JC has an online store selling prepper gear? Is that what this is all about? 

 

 

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

 

 

These videos are from a channel called "Canadian Prepper" 

He has his own online store selling survival type merchandise. When his channel started, he focused on things like how to start a friction fire and how to properly build a shelter in the woods, things like that. Then he ran out of stuff to talk about ( the subject matter isn't very broad on it's own), then he shifted into doom porn to beat the "algorithm" so he could monetize his videos. With more clicks, likes and subscribes. It's how he makes his living. If the guy really thought nukes were going to fly, he wouldn't be filming videos every few days and packing orders to ship. He'd be on the move, setting up a new place in the few countries projected to not get massacred by a full blown nuclear holocaust. 

I'd just be curious as to the "sources" that JustinCharge is getting most of his information from currently. Now it's his free speech. But there's not a ton of nuance. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

3 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

The world has been in agreement for decades that Iran should never get nukes because everyone agrees they would use them. 

 

On this point, I agree. I'd assess that NATO would agree. Put it this way, I can't see how anyone inside the Military Industrial Complex would disagree. There's more context to it certainly, but Iran got nukes, well, it wouldn't look very rosy for the rest of the entire world. You cannot negotiate with ideological zealotry. 

When it comes to Iran, we finally have an area where we both agree. 

However Iran and Russia are apples to oranges when it comes to practical nuclear strategy. 

Again, one of the benefits of being in the Russian wealthy elite is that their children have the privilege to study aboard and live and do business across the entire world landscape. It's how oligarchs help to cement their power in the international business markets. Do you think they are keen to incinerate their own children? 

If you want more people to agree with your stances ( again, it's your free speech, believe and say what you like) then make the math add up. Your math doesn't add up for Russia. For Iran, you've got a lot of good points. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

However Iran and Russia are apples to oranges when it comes to practical nuclear strategy. 

 

thats not whats been said in this thread by leftists tho.  they have been saying that no one would ever actually push the button because its suicide.  they didnt say russia.  they said no one. and that is why i brought up iran in the first place.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 6/21/2023 at 12:00 PM, nobody said:

I hate to break it to you guys, but politicians aren't actually religious.  They just pretend to be so you'll vote for them.

like here.  this idiot claims all leaders are just pretending to be religious, but when it comes to iran, he accepts the dogma that the ayatollah is a religious nut that will nuke if he gets them.  and thats not even getting into the topic that this idiot magically knows that not a single politician in the world is actually religious, a statement so laughable that it deserves a ban for trolling.

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

thats not whats been said in this thread by leftists tho.  they have been saying that no one would ever actually push the button because its suicide.  they didnt say russia.  they said no one. and that is why i brought up iran in the first place.

No one has said that nuclear war isn't a possibility. No one but you jumps up and down, beats his chest and flings poo about it like some kind of deranged rock ape, nor does anyone but you make guarantees and predictions of this war occurring, and no on but you digs up and posts anything that contains information about other Geeks' children, you sick, unhinged fock.

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

like here.  this idiot claims all leaders are just pretending to be religious, but when it comes to iran, he accepts the dogma that the ayatollah is a religious nut that will nuke if he gets them.  and thats not even getting into the topic that this idiot magically knows that not a single politician in the world is actually religious, a statement so laughable that it deserves a ban for trolling.

T-pump isn't religion, but he'll certainly use it for political gain, like hoodwinking the evangelical right into voting for him and gassing people to walk down to a church and hold a Bible he's never read upside down.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 7/6/2023 at 4:15 AM, supermike80 said:

I'd love to jump on this and rail on the guy but seriously, he needs help desperately.  We should try to not make fun of the mentally ill....it's a serious thing.

im betting you said the same thing in 2012 about romney when everyone relentlessly mocked romney for saying russia was a real threat, arent you?  also, if you were on FBGs circa 20146-2018 and i was saying russia was a real threat and all the libtards mocked me and permabanned me for saying that and deleted my posts because the thought that wed go to war with russia was preposterous, youd join in on that as well, wouldnt you?

i hate to break it you, but the number of times on FBG that i made statements, not mocked by the left, and then they were forced to mea culpa and admit i was right is quite a LOT.

were doing nothing new here.  im saying nuclear war is coming, the left says that is nuts, and the left winds up being wrong.  at a MINIMUM, if one of the nuclear power plants in ukraine goes critical, they will call this a nuclear war. 

 

 

thats the minimum threshold for me being correct, a nuke plant goes critical.  at that point, the MSM will forever describe this as a nuclear war.

 

personally, the most likely outcome is russia  nukes nato and nato kneels, because if they dont kneel, its the end of the world.  i do not believe liberals have the balls to fire back at russia, especially after biden/obama allowed people to cross their red lines  with impunity.

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

im betting you said the same thing in 2012 about romney when everyone relentlessly mocked romney for saying russia was a real threat, arent you?  also, if you were on FBGs circa 20146-2018 and i was saying russia was a real threat and all the libtards mocked me and permabanned me for saying that and deleted my posts because the thought that wed go to war with russia was preposterous, youd join in on that as well, wouldnt you?

i hate to break it you, but the number of times on FBG that i made statements, not mocked by the left, and then they were forced to mea culpa and admit i was right is quite a LOT.

were doing nothing new here.  im saying nuclear war is coming, the left says that is nuts, and the left winds up being wrong.  at a MINIMUM, if one of the nuclear power plants in ukraine goes critical, they will call this a nuclear war.

One thing the leftists, rightists and centrists here can all agree on is that you're crazy and deserve being mocked.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

i think Putin has to nuke if Ukraine starts flying F-16s in combat. He has no choice at that point, because F-16 can carry nukes.  If he doesnt nuke, it basically allows NATO to nuke the hell out of Russia before Russia can counter or even realize what happened.  That is the absolute latest he can wait.

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

i think Putin has to nuke if Ukraine starts flying F-16s in combat. He has no choice at that point, because F-16 can carry nukes.  If he doesnt nuke, it basically allows NATO to nuke the hell out of Russia before Russia can counter or even realize what happened.  That is the absolute latest he can wait.

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

39 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

thats not whats been said in this thread by leftists tho.  they have been saying that no one would ever actually push the button because its suicide.  they didnt say russia.  they said no one. and that is why i brought up iran in the first place.

 

 

 

So, at this point, the best way IMHO to reply, is to avoid these circular arguments. 

I'll just post information on basic nuclear strategy. It's unclear to me, no offense, if you have a clear current grasp on the fundamentals. And if not you, then other people might find the information useful. 

[nobody 2,482]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

like here.  this idiot claims all leaders are just pretending to be religious, but when it comes to iran, he accepts the dogma that the ayatollah is a religious nut that will nuke if he gets them.  and thats not even getting into the topic that this idiot magically knows that not a single politician in the world is actually religious, a statement so laughable that it deserves a ban for trolling.

I'll add generalizations to things you don't understand.

Also I said Iran probably wouldn't use a nuke.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'll add generalizations to things you don't understand.

Also I said Iran probably wouldn't use a nuke.

you are completely nuts. 

there is a difference between screaming like a banshee that im wrong, and quietly mentioning iran probably wouldnt use a nuke.  if you believed that, youd be shouting just as loudly for years that our iran policy is dumb.  but you arent.  so your not off the hook.  its the same thing with biden.  you attack me on the nuclear war topic but show nowhere near the visceral hate towards biden.  yopu are inconsistent so you obviously are protecting biden.