Biden says coal plants 'all across America' will be shut down, replaced with wind and solar

[RLLD 3,928]

This kind of stupid statements is exactly how you make energy more expensive btw 

[jerryskids 6,174]

9 hours ago, dogcows said:

As far as I can tell, he didn’t put a timetable on how long that process would take. It’s going to happen; question is, how quickly.

I had hoped we would have gotten nuclear fusion working for generation of electricity by now. They’re still working towards it of course, but haven’t figured out how to make it reliable and practical yet…

Yeah, I'm sure he was talking about 20 years from now.   

Anyway, your fusion comment reminds me that I'm taking a class at ASU about the People and Physics behind the atomic bomb.  Quite fascinating, and I'm learning a bunch about the physics of fission, fusion, alpha radiation (aka helium nuclei), etc.   

[Baker Boy 1,647]

19 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

These people live in fantasy worlds.  I’m for every power source we have, all of them.  The “cleaner” the better but you don’t cut one off until you can fully supplement what’s lost and at a close cost to the consumer.  And you never want to be beholden to other countries for it.  

And we have an example, California. They closed coal and natural gas powered plants and replaced them with renewable energy. They ended out with rolling blackouts because the grid couldn’t handle it.

I am not willing to lower my standard of living for some BS environmental theory.

[Reality 3,043]

 

[Reality 3,043]

Almost feel like Democrats are focking with us at this point, they can't be this bad at campaigning...

Maybe they're trying to truly find out how focking stupid their base is? Makes no sense...

[craftsman 1,045]

39 minutes ago, Reality said:

Almost feel like Democrats are focking with us at this point, they can't be this bad at campaigning...

Maybe they're trying to truly find out how focking stupid their base is? Makes no sense...

That is odd. Because the only reason they have a base is because of stupid people that keep buying into this crap, over and over and over again. 

They don't even try to get the smart people to vote for them. They have plenty of numbers without them. 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

50 minutes ago, Reality said:

Almost feel like Democrats are focking with us at this point, they can't be this bad at campaigning...

Maybe they're trying to truly find out how focking stupid their base is? Makes no sense...

It’s almost like they believe what the scientists say, about how we won’t have a habitable planet if we don’t cut back on carbon emissions. Isn’t that crazy?

[craftsman 1,045]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s almost like they believe what the scientists say, about how we won’t have a habitable planet if we don’t cut back on carbon emissions. Isn’t that crazy?

Except they choose to ignore the scientists that say it's all bullshlt. Which it is. 

Big money to be spent for fake issues. Completely a common liberal practice. 

[Reality 3,043]

21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s almost like they believe what the scientists say, about how we won’t have a habitable planet if we don’t cut back on carbon emissions. Isn’t that crazy?

[craftsman 1,045]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yeah. I choose to believe in the history of the Earth rather than the "scientists" who are looking for big dollar handouts for "research". 

[jerryskids 6,174]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

 

@dogcowswill argue that he isn't talking about today necessarily; when he says "is" and "haven't" he is projecting himself a decade into the future.   

[dogcows 1,030]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

@dogcowswill argue that he isn't talking about today necessarily; when he says "is" and "haven't" he is projecting himself a decade into the future.   

Why are you dragging my name into this?

[jerryskids 6,174]

29 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why are you dragging my name into this?

Because you drew the absurd conclusion regarding the replacing of coal with wind and solar, in this very thread, that Biden was talking about some random time in the future, vs. current time.  I presumed you would draw the same conclusion about this latest comment.  If not please let us know.  

[dogcows 1,030]

28 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Because you drew the absurd conclusion regarding the replacing of coal with wind and solar, in this very thread, that Biden was talking about some random time in the future, vs. current time.  I presumed you would draw the same conclusion about this latest comment.  If not please let us know.  

You know what happens when you assume…

[wiffleball 4,760]

We closed our 100 plus year old coal plant a couple months ago. Made almost an immediate impact.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,132]

On 11/5/2022 at 8:47 PM, dogcows said:

I’m not an expert on the state of the grid, and what percentage of it uses coal. However, coal is definitely more expensive than wind/solar in the long term. One of the biggest costs of coal is the cleanup after the mining. It’s so expensive that coal companies, which are required to do the cleanup, are selling the mining permits to other companies that will do the cleanup for them. And then those companies are now going bankrupt trying to do so. And then taxpayers pay for the cleanup.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/29/1127520991/west-virginia-coal-mining-alpha

Honestly, I don’t have a problem with the language Biden’s using, because it’s well past time to look at this with a sense of urgency.

 Tell me how electric vehicles are the future. Please, please, please. I need to hear it from the likes of you to demonstrate your thoughts and understandings. And use good language to explain. 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,132]

 Also, do you live in a modern dwelling designed before the fifth century? Or a tent now?  And do you believe that the earth is round and looks like a big I’m dumb after six+ BILLION years???

[dogcows 1,030]

3 hours ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

 Tell me how electric vehicles are the future. Please, please, please. I need to hear it from the likes of you to demonstrate your thoughts and understandings. And use good language to explain. 

I bought mine in 2016. It was primarily an economic decision; I figured the price of the car, the EV tax credits, price of gas, price of charging and expected maintenance and realized I’d come out ahead after only 3 years. I plug it in at home to charge. Maintenance cost has been lower than my original expectation. Gas price spikes have no effect on my life anymore. The acceleration, even on my cheap VW one, is outstanding. I wouldn’t want to go back to a gas-powered car again. 

[Engorgeous George 1,785]

12 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I bought mine in 2016. It was primarily an economic decision; I figured the price of the car, the EV tax credits, price of gas, price of charging and expected maintenance and realized I’d come out ahead after only 3 years. I plug it in at home to charge. Maintenance cost has been lower than my original expectation. Gas price spikes have no effect on my life anymore. The acceleration, even on my cheap VW one, is outstanding. I wouldn’t want to go back to a gas-powered car again. 

No body siphons your gas tank either.

 

Curious, what is the repalcement cost for new batteries when the originals give up the ghost? Is there any way to tell how much useful life they have left?

[Bert 1,125]

7 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

No body siphons your gas tank either.

 

Curious, what is the repalcement cost for new batteries when the originals give up the ghost? Is there any way to tell how much useful life they have left?

How about how they are going to dispose of 100s of millions of toxic batteries?

[Baker Boy 1,647]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317274-china-is-building-more-than-half-of-the-worlds-new-coal-power-plants/
 

China is building more than half of the world's new coal power plants

Some 176 gigawatts of coal capacity was under construction in 2021, and more than half of that was being built in China

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Nearly 200 countries pledged a “phasing down” of coal at the COP26 climate summit last year. But figures from a report by the non-profit Global Energy Monitor show that is nowhere near being realised yet. Globally, the number of coal power stations is actually growing as new constructions more than offset the closure of old plants.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

11 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

No body siphons your gas tank either.

 

Curious, what is the repalcement cost for new batteries when the originals give up the ghost? Is there any way to tell how much useful life they have left?

I don’t know what the replacement cost would be. Car is almost 7 years old and I’m not seeing a noticeable degradation in range yet. I’m reading that the batteries are likely to last 15 years... I’d want a new car by then anyway.

3 hours ago, Bert said:

How about how they are going to dispose of 100s of millions of toxic batteries?

The batteries can be repurposed and much of the material in them can be recycled. Good info about battery expected life, recycling, repurposing, etc. here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/features/electric-car-batteries

[craftsman 1,045]

I'll always own an ICE car. Love them. 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

2 hours ago, craftsman said:

I'll always own a horse and buggy. Love them. 

How’d that work out for you?

[craftsman 1,045]

50 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

How’d that work out for you?

Not sure what you mean. How did what work out for me?

[Engorgeous George 1,785]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

I don’t know what the replacement cost would be. Car is almost 7 years old and I’m not seeing a noticeable degradation in range yet. I’m reading that the batteries are likely to last 15 years... I’d want a new car by then anyway.

The batteries can be repurposed and much of the material in them can be recycled. Good info about battery expected life, recycling, repurposing, etc. here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/features/electric-car-batteries

Thank you for the reply, your perspective, and the linked info.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

Here is your next renewably energy source they are testing out:

 

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Sewage-The-Next-Renewable-Energy-Breakthrough.html

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here is your next renewably energy source they are testing out:

 

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Sewage-The-Next-Renewable-Energy-Breakthrough.html

 

The problem is that sewage contains sulfuric acid at a high enough concentration that it degrades the equipment when you try to use it generate power, although there are cities that try this at scale.

Denmark started this project 6 years ago, there has to be a reason they are not implementing it in more cities in their country, and my guess is that is H2S.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2114761-worlds-first-city-to-power-its-water-needs-with-sewage-energy/

 

:edit: even without issues it only produces enough power to power itself and drinking water purification plant. It is not a power source that can power homes/industry.

 

[IGotWorms 4,028]

18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here is your next renewably energy source they are testing out:

 

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Sewage-The-Next-Renewable-Energy-Breakthrough.html

If they could harness the crap that comes out of Horseman and HT’s mouths, we’d never want for power again

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

18 hours ago, dogcows said:

The batteries can be repurposed and much of the material in them can be recycled. Good info about battery expected life, recycling, repurposing, etc. here:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/features/electric-car-batteries

 

It was a valid concern, I think the first EV car battery recycling center opened this year and there are only a few open in the country. However, I think this will be an issue that can be solved, if for no other reason than the metals that make up the batteries are quite expensive and rare in nature.

 

New one opened up in last 30 days:

https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/13/li-cycle-opens-battery-recycling-plant-in-alabama/