Lamar Jackson and Daniel Jones want HOW much?

[MDC 6,859]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So dit turns out it was all BS, dimes didn't ask for $45M.

 

 

That’s good. $45m is a lot of coin for a guy who’s thrown 60 total TDs in 4 years and has a career QB rating of 86.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

On 2/22/2023 at 2:54 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

I love the silly season. 

The sharp guys know. 

[edjr 6,429]

48 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So dit turns out it was all BS, dimes didn't ask for $45M.

 

 

Carton has been on my mind lately. How desperate was Fox to give him his job back?

[MDC 6,859]

Sounds like Danny Dimes only wants $40m per and asked for $45m to start the bidding right.  

 

[cmh6476 957]

Better than Kyler, apparently

 

[cmh6476 957]

That's a lot of bad quarterbacks since 2000.  To be dead last in qbr? Oof.

[League Champion 1,808]

35 million seems about right. That would be right in the Kirk Cousins Goff range. 

[TommyGavin 790]

On 2/24/2023 at 8:14 AM, edjr said:

Carton has been on my mind lately. How desperate was Fox to give him his job back?

I did not know Carton had a Fox gig. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Deal is done.  DJ stays in NY.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Saquon is tagged

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 years $160M for Danny.  Fair.

[listen2me 23 1,779]

Where does Lamar go?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Now they can get some help. They need a lot. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

As far as Saquan goes, it’s necessary to keep him. There is no one else on that offense right now that the defense would have to worry about. 

[edjr 6,429]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

4 years $160M for Danny.  Fair.

   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

   

You know it’s not really 40. Let’s see what the real number is. 

[MDC 6,859]

35 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

4 years $160M for Danny.  Fair.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

1-3. Oh wait, you just started rooting for the eagles. So 1-1 as far as you go. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

I'll be laughing when the Eagles have to give Hurts 5 years 300M fully guaranteed.

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

Giants screwed up royally.  Jones isn't any good.  He's not even a top 20 QB on his best day.

[MDC 6,859]

13 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I'll be laughing when the Eagles have to give Hurts 5 years 300M fully guaranteed.

Imagine how much your favorite team will have to pay Herbert.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Giants screwed up royally.  Jones isn't any good.  He's not even a top 20 QB on his best day.

I would love to hear the 20 other QBs you would rather have the next 4 years over Daniel Jones.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Imagine how much your favorite team will have to pay Herbert.  

Exactly, all the next round of QBs are gonna be more, and Jones's contract is gonna look great.  Hell look at Mahomes contract, what a steal.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

So the current market is:

Aaron Rodgers age 39: one 1st rounder plus $16mm cap hit
Lamar Jackson age 26:  two 1st rounders
2023 #1 overall pick rookie QB of your choice:  two 1st rounders

[listen2me 23 1,779]

You know society is over saturated with fake racism claims when some narrative as to why Lamar is in the situation he is in, because he is black.  At some point more and more people are going to catch onto the shenanigans of "racism".

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You know society is over saturated with fake racism claims when some narrative as to why Lamar is in the situation he is in, because he is black.  At some point more and more people are going to catch onto the shenanigans of "racism".

I haven't heard anyone cry racism about Lamar, just collusion.  A year after a black QB got $300M+ guaranteed, you can't cry racism when another black QB won't get that.  Not even a white QB got that.

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46 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I haven't heard anyone cry racism about Lamar, just collusion.  A year after a black QB got $300M+ guaranteed, you can't cry racism when another black QB won't get that.  Not even a white QB got that.

To be fair I haven't heard a ton of talking heads say it.  Although a few seemingly insinuated it.  But if you jist search Lamar Jackson in twitter there is a plethora of society that is running to "racism" because that is what we are teaching society.   It is ALWAYs about race.  It must be.  Now many of these people are probably ignorant to the workings of the nfl and that makes it worse.  Don't understand the situation...so must just be racism.   This is the new norm for much of society.   

Here is Dez Bryany who you think would have knowledge of the nfl.   He basically says racism without saying racism.

"I’m sorry and I’m ready to accept all of the s**t talking that’s going to come with what I’m about to say. What I dislike heavy about the NFL whenever guys like Lamar Jackson and other black athletes perform past their contracts it’s always a problem whenever it times to be paid, don’t draft the player if the character is such a concern. NFL needs to understand is an investment on both sides and the player usually lose at the end."

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

17 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I would love to hear the 20 other QBs you would rather have the next 4 years over Daniel Jones.

Not hard (not rankings)....

1. Prescott
2. Hurts
3. Rodgers
4. Cousins
5. Murray
6. Stafford
7. Tua
8. Allen
9. Jackson
10. Burrow
11. Pickett
12. Watson
13. Lawrence
14. Tannehill
15. Carr
16. Wilson
17. Mahomes
18. Herbert
19. Stroud
20. Young
21. Garoppolo
22. Mac Jones
23. Brock Purdy
24. Matt Ryan

 

Give me more time and I'd probably find 15 to 20 more that are still in college.  Even more time, I bet I could find about 10 still in high school.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Not hard (not rankings)....

1. Prescott
2. Hurts
3. Rodgers - The headcase that is about to retire?
4. Cousins - The guy he just beat in the playoffs?
5. Murray - The guy sitting out next season? Free xp weekend or not?
6. Stafford - The guy who's shoulder is focked and will soon retire?
7. Tua - The guy who is one more hit away from retirement?
8. Allen
9. Jackson
10. Burrow
11. Pickett
12. Watson
13. Lawrence
14. Tannehill
15. Carr
16. Wilson
17. Mahomes
18. Herbert
19. Stroud - The rookie you would have to spend multiple first round picks on to get?
20. Young- The other rookie you would have to spend multiple first round picks on to get?

I'm guessing you don't watch football.

[listen2me 23 1,779]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Not hard (not rankings)....

1. Prescott
2. Hurts
3. Rodgers
4. Cousins
5. Murray
6. Stafford
7. Tua
8. Allen
9. Jackson
10. Burrow
11. Pickett
12. Watson
13. Lawrence
14. Tannehill
15. Carr
16. Wilson
17. Mahomes
18. Herbert
19. Stroud
20. Young
21. Garoppolo
22. Mac Jones
23. Brock Purdy
24. Matt Ryan

 

Give me more time and I'd probably find 15 to 20 more that are still in college.  Even more time, I bet I could find about 10 still in high school.

Don't agree on some of those.  And putting in rookies is sort of lame.  But yeah Jones is like 15-20 range.  But perhaps something clicked and Daboll will change the direction of his career.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I'm guessing you don't watch football.

All the contentions you're making, and yet, they're still better than Daniel Jones.

As far as the rookies go, I just said that they were better QB's than Jones.  I didn't say anything about the Giants getting them.  Jones stinks dude.  He's on par with Mayfield, Darnold, and Z. Wilson.  The Giants screwed up.  Fortunately for them, it's only going to cost them 2 years.  Next year, they'll probably be a 7-win team and realize that they screwed up.  The following year, they'll gut the team of older expensive players, even though they're still pretty good knowing they'll finish with 3 wins and draft a QB and cut Jones.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

All the contentions you're making, and yet, they're still better than Daniel Jones.

As far as the rookies go, I just said that they were better QB's than Jones.  I didn't say anything about the Giants getting them.  Jones stinks dude.  He's on par with Mayfield, Darnold, and Z. Wilson.  The Giants screwed up.  Fortunately for them, it's only going to cost them 2 years.  Next year, they'll probably be a 7-win team and realize that they screwed up.  The following year, they'll gut the team of older expensive players, even though they're still pretty good knowing they'll finish with 3 wins and draft a QB and cut Jones.

Please stop.  Daniel Jones is on par with Mayfield, Darnold and Zach Wilson?  Are you focking serious?  By what measure?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers

Jones is ranked 12th.  Darnold 22, Mayfield 36, Wilson 37.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Jones is ranked 6th.  Mayfield 31, Darnold/Wilson did not qualify

Who won more games last season?  Who went to the playoffs?  Who won a playoff game?

Just stop.  You have to be trolling at this point.

[edjr 6,429]

The Chicago bears in 103 years of football, have never had a 4000+ yard passer in a season

[Gepetto 1,215]

Lamar Jackson became Baltimore starter week 11, 2018 and since then: 

Ravens with and without Lamar Jackson

                           with              without

Win-Loss           45-16              4-8

PPG                     28.0               17.2

Total YPG          384.5            314.7

Rush YPG          184.8            158.2

source: NFL Network

[TBayXXXVII 2,420]

59 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Please stop.  Daniel Jones is on par with Mayfield, Darnold and Zach Wilson?  Are you focking serious?  By what measure?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers

Jones is ranked 12th.  Darnold 22, Mayfield 36, Wilson 37.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Jones is ranked 6th.  Mayfield 31, Darnold/Wilson did not qualify

Who won more games last season?  Who went to the playoffs?  Who won a playoff game?

Just stop.  You have to be trolling at this point.

So wait, you're telling me that him absolutely sucking the 3 prior years are irrelevant?  I didn't know that.  What was I thinking? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So wait, you're telling me that him absolutely sucking the 3 prior years are irrelevant?  I didn't know that.  What was I thinking? 

Actually yes it is.

His rookie year, he didn't suck, he was good, but he turned the ball over way too much.

Then his coach got fired, and focking Joe Judge and Jason Garrett came to town to develop him.  And yes he sucked for two years, as would most young QBs in this environment.

But then they got booted, and we got Daboll and Kafka, and last year he was great, despite having an average O-Line and bottom 5 WRs.

So what does he have next year, his HC an OC are back again, and hopefully we'll have an upgraded line and WRs, and he can continue to improve.

Players develop, stupid.  Good coaches develop players.  Jones has developed into a good player and he got rewarded for his hard work and the team wants to continue.

In summary, you're a focking idiot.

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I haven't heard anyone cry racism about Lamar, just collusion.  A year after a black QB got $300M+ guaranteed, you can't cry racism when another black QB won't get that.  Not even a white QB got that.

It shows that at least the other GMS can see the mistakes that DEN, ARi and CLE made and they don't want to be #4.

 

49 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Lamar Jackson became Baltimore starter week 11, 2018 and since then: 

Ravens with and without Lamar Jackson

                           with              without

Win-Loss           45-16              4-8

PPG                     28.0               17.2

Total YPG          384.5            314.7

Rush YPG          184.8            158.2

source: NFL Network

All that means is he's not worth what he and his agent think he is. His value is a guy who can't win a SB because he cannot pass the football with the best. Odds are he cannot make it thru the season as well. He really has little value. Zero value if your goal is to with the SB.

[edjr 6,429]

Geno Smiff got 105 million?   who would have thought that 12 months ago?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

The DJ deal, it's $82M the first two years, and after year 3, they can cut him for a $9M dead money hit.  They can also extend him and push the cap out longer if he's a stud.

It's a win/win, and hilarious to see the dummies that don't know football mock it.

[edjr 6,429]

27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

In summary, you're a focking idiot.

Cheer up man. Life is good. Let the anger go