Rodgers to Jets

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And if he does I don’t think it’s going to be a very high first. 

Right, he either doesn't play because well, he's Aaron Rodgers and who knows with that dude or, they're pretty good.

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Plus moved up 2 spots. Im not gonna dit and say oh wow.  But teams do trade 2nd and 3rd round picks to move up a few spots in every draft.   It is worth something.  Potentially jump NE and secure JSN.  Hopefully as the creep up the board it takes TE out of play.   But I don't try and guess what that FO is gonna do. 

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Plus moved up 2 spots. Im not gonna dit and say oh wow.  But teams do trade 2nd and 3rd round picks to move up a few spots in every draft.   It is worth something.  Potentially jump NE and secure JSN.  Hopefully as the creep up the board it takes TE out of play.   But I don't try and guess what that FO is gonna do. 

I'm just surprised nobody was offering an outright 1st this year. Stunned really.

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Just now, Reality said:

I'm just surprised nobody was offering an outright 1st this year. Stunned really.

There were only so many teams that could have possibly even been in on a deal....

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So long! 

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

 

I'm booking tickets to the HOF induction ceremony 2038 for Jordan's induction. 

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

I'm booking tickets to the HOF induction ceremony 2038 for Jordan's induction. 

2038 is when Love goes to Jets

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On 3/16/2023 at 3:55 AM, weepaws said:

The Jets will need a rb, Hall won’t be very productive next season, and Carter didn’t do much after Hall was injured, but at least they will have a very good Qb.  

actually, the Jets have a pretty good run scheme in place. Even with a depleted offensive line  and no passing threat, a guy like Zonovan Knight was able to come in and be fairly effective. Carter played very well in 2021. RB is not a priority or even a need. 

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

This post got laughed at.  That is basically what they got got for him unless he gets injured.  

Not sure who laughed at your post but that base trade was widely expected by most. a 2nd round pick this year was a given and it really just came down to who would blink first on the 2024 compensation. Jets and Woody Johnson could have had the balls to not blink and make it a 2nd/3rd conditional but the Packers got the win.

 

1 hour ago, Reality said:

They lost a HoF QB for 2 draft spots? Awesome...

They lost a QB they didn't want on the roster who would have been a tremendous headache for them not to mention a burden on their cap. He would not have retired out of spite and made sure to get his $$ in 2024. Plus he would have created tons of distractions for a team who is moving on to jordan Love. 

51 minutes ago, Reality said:

I'm just surprised nobody was offering an outright 1st this year. Stunned really.

Not sure if this is sarcasm but there was 1 trade partner. 

 

26 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

 

 

Yup. This is why I am extremely pissed today as a Jets fan. Woody Johnson is one of the worst owners in sports let alone the NFL. Rodgers was never going to play for the Packers again, so for all the people saying the Jets backed themselves into a corner with no plan B at QB so they had to make the deal happen.... the Packers backed themselves into a corner just as much. Everyone knows they are moving on to Love. Everyone knows they didn't want 2 years of Rodgers full salary on the books and most importantly everyone knows they simply don't want him causing a distraction when they are trying to move on.... and he absolutely would have caused a distraction if he felt they blocked his trade by asking for too much. He is that kind of guy. 

The Jets had no reason to blink. They could have just used all their draft picks this season and said "Hey, we will give you a 2024 1st, no conditions. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, enjoy dealing with A-Rod for the next 2 years" 

But they blinked and gave up that 1st, a 2nd that could have been very useful and moved back 2 spots in this years 1st which they better hope doesnt cost them someone coveted on their draft board. 

Typical Woody Johnson. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

actually, the Jets have a pretty good run scheme in place. Even with a depleted offensive line  and no passing threat, a guy like Zonovan Knight was able to come in and be fairly effective. Carter played very well in 2021. RB is not a priority or even a need. 

Not sure who laughed at your post but that base trade was widely expected by most. a 2nd round pick this year was a given and it really just came down to who would blink first on the 2024 compensation. Jets and Woody Johnson could have had the balls to not blink and make it a 2nd/3rd conditional but the Packers got the win.

 

They lost a QB they didn't want on the roster who would have been a tremendous headache for them not to mention a burden on their cap. He would not have retired out of spite and made sure to get his $$ in 2024. Plus he would have created tons of distractions for a team who is moving on to jordan Love. 

Not sure if this is sarcasm but there was 1 trade partner. 

 

 

Yup. This is why I am extremely pissed today as a Jets fan. Woody Johnson is one of the worst owners in sports let alone the NFL. Rodgers was never going to play for the Packers again, so for all the people saying the Jets backed themselves into a corner with no plan B at QB so they had to make the deal happen.... the Packers backed themselves into a corner just as much. Everyone knows they are moving on to Love. Everyone knows they didn't want 2 years of Rodgers full salary on the books and most importantly everyone knows they simply don't want him causing a distraction when they are trying to move on.... and he absolutely would have caused a distraction if he felt they blocked his trade by asking for too much. He is that kind of guy. 

The Jets had no reason to blink. They could have just used all their draft picks this season and said "Hey, we will give you a 2024 1st, no conditions. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, enjoy dealing with A-Rod for the next 2 years" 

But they blinked and gave up that 1st, a 2nd that could have been very useful and moved back 2 spots in this years 1st which they better hope doesnt cost them someone coveted on their draft board. 

Typical Woody Johnson. 

Packers had all thr leverage as time wore on.  As Andrew Brandt has said all long.  And like he said today.  Leverage is more in the hands of those who are fine qith the status quo.  Packers have their QB whether he pans out or not.  The Jets had no one.  What you gonna bring in lazard and hackett and have jets fans on edge of seat only to say "wel sorry guys Packers wouldn't budge we are rolling with zach wilson"?

Jets had no leverage especially as time wore on.  Zero plan B.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Packers had all thr leverage as time wore on.  As Andrew Brandt has said all long.  And like he said today.  Leverage is more in the hands of those who are fine qith the status quo.  Packers have their QB whether he pans out or not.  The Jets had no one.  What you gonna bring in lazard and hackett and have jets fans on edge of seat only to say "wel sorry guys Packers wouldn't budge we are rolling with zach wilson"?

Jets had no leverage especially as time wore on.  Zero plan B.  

And what would the Packers have done with Aaron Rodgers on the team? 
 

I understand the Jets had no good plan B but I think people are vastly underselling the importance for the Packers to get rid of Rodgers. 
 

allan Lazard is just another Corey Davis. Davis should be released at some point. So that’s fairly inconsequential. Rodgers makes the Jets a playoff contender and nothing more. If they had the stones, they don’t blink, and if the Packers don’t cave they could enjoy two years of ARod distraction and headache. Jets can bring in a journeyman for 1 season and go the veteran route in 2024. 
Some might say Saleh and Douglas couldn’t afford to miss the playoffs, but this Aaron Rodgers situation has been all Woody Johnson. 
And just about any other QB has the Jets in the playoffs last season. 

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So what was all this talk about the Packers not having ANY leverage and the Jets having ALL of it? 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

And what would the Packers have done with Aaron Rodgers on the team? 
 

I understand the Jets had no good plan B but I think people are vastly underselling the importance for the Packers to get rid of Rodgers. 

He could have made it a headache but who cares?   Jets would have a worse headache in getting everyone fired up only to return to zach wilson when they feel they have a good roster.  Packers would have waited this out as long as it took.  Which they did.  Leverage was CLEARLY on their side.   And it shows with the end result.   

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Brandt was there for the Favre departure.   He knows a few things.  Always has sound well thought out takes.  

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

He could have made it a headache but who cares?   Jets would have a worse headache in getting everyone fired up only to return to zach wilson when they feel they have a good roster.  Packers would have waited this out as long as it took.  Which they did.  Leverage was CLEARLY on their side.   And it shows with the end result.   

So just as an FYI, the fan base as a whole is not exactly “fired up” for Rodgers.

we will never know but I’d be willing to bet the packers would be dealing with the bigger headache if stuck with him. That’s a lot of money for a backup QB who has shown he’s not much of a team player. You think he wouldn’t have an axe to grind?

Jets could have found a stop gap that gets them into the playoffs. Would it have been disappointing for some fans? Sure. But good organizations hold their ground. 

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Jets on verge of playoffs without any good QB play.   Oh hey yea we can wait.  We wil go into this here draft not having a startable QB.  No idea if one falls and we should take him.  No idea how to build the roster.  Just wing it and figure out QB once preseason starts.  

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9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So what was all this talk about the Packers not having ANY leverage and the Jets having ALL of it? 

I don’t know. What was the talk?  
All I heard was the Jets had no leverage because they had no plan B at QB. 
 

I disagree because the Packers absolutely did not want Aaron Rodgers on the roster but im in the minority of people able to understand that. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

So just as an FYI, the fan base as a whole is not exactly “fired up” for Rodgers.

we will never know but I’d be willing to bet the packers would be dealing with the bigger headache if stuck with him. That’s a lot of money for a backup QB who has shown he’s not much of a team player. You think he wouldn’t have an axe to grind?

Jets could have found a stop gap that gets them into the playoffs. Would it have been disappointing for some fans? Sure. But good organizations hold their ground. 

Not saying every fan wants rodgers.  But many do because hes a star and Jets have had awful QB play forever.  What I am talking about is the city as a whole.  Hry we bring in Rodgers' good buddy Lazard.  Say we want him.  Meet.  Get all the media in a frenzy.  People expecting it to happen....all for what?   Hey guys sorry.  We believe in zach wilson! Ready for 2023? 

Crowds with pitch forks would start gathering.  They made their intent clear and got in a bidding war vs themseleves.   There was no going back.  GB knew this.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Jets on verge of playoffs without any good QB play.   Oh hey yea we can wait.  We wil go into this here draft not having a startable QB.  No idea if one falls and we should take him.  No idea how to build the roster.  Just wing it and figure out QB once preseason starts.  

Nope. Jets would not have drafted a QB. Jets were on the verge of the playoffs without any good QB play, as you said. Roster construction remains the same. Bolster the offensive line, continue to fortify the defense. 
 

A halfway decent journeyman qb gets them to the playoffs which is all Woody cares about right now anyway. 1 year of a stopgap and then go the veteran route versus a 2 year rodgers rental is not all that different. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

I don’t know. What was the talk?  
All I heard was the Jets had no leverage because they had no plan B at QB. 
 

I disagree because the Packers absolutely did not want Aaron Rodgers on the roster but im in the minority of people able to understand that. 

Oh I understand that.  But they would have done it.  They weren't the ones who balked.  They were fine with their headache MUCH more than NY was with theirs.  And they knew it. So what if he shows up to training camp? You don't think the Packers are used to a bit of a circus?  

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Jets had all the leverage they just balked right before the draft.   

We will go with that.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Jets had all the leverage they just balked right before the draft.   

We will go with that.  

you have to actually read what I am writing. No one is saying the Jet had ALL the leverage .  I am saying the Jets had more leverage than most people are willing to recognize. You don't want to admit it, that's fine. 

Yes, they did blink. They did not have to blink. 

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The Packers got jobbed. That's a terrible haul for a HOF QB even if it is a 1 year rental. 

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh I understand that.  But they would have done it.  They weren't the ones who balked.  They were fine with their headache MUCH more than NY was with theirs.  And they knew it. So what if he shows up to training camp? You don't think the Packers are used to a bit of a circus?  

Used to the circus of A-Rod (or Brett) when they still want them starting. Deciding to move on and start the next era is a different situation. No way I am buying that the Packers would have been cool with a disgruntled A-Rod getting paid... 32? million per season for the next two years because you know he sure as fock wasn't going to retire is he felt the Packers kept him from being traded. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

you have to actually read what I am writing. No one is saying the Jet had ALL the leverage .  I am saying the Jets had more leverage than most people are willing to recognize. You don't want to admit it, that's fine. 

Yes, they did blink. They did not have to blink. 

Teams can't just pretend to be all in then say no guys sorry we are gonna waste this year too.  But promise we will try and hit on some picks!  That would be quite a tune change.   Hey Front Office lets go fo it this year.   Oh well they wouldnt budge unless we also threw in a 1st pick swap.  Axe it.  Lets not go for it at all.   Lets wallow again this year Ive changed my mind.  

Agree to disagree.  Packers to me clearly had most of the leverage.    CLEARLY.  I think it is a split in fanbases.   Packers media and fans said they had thr leverage.   Jets fans and media probably said they had it.   One was right one was wrong.  

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13 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Jets on verge of playoffs without any good QB play.   Oh hey yea we can wait.  We wil go into this here draft not having a startable QB.  No idea if one falls and we should take him.  No idea how to build the roster.  Just wing it and figure out QB once preseason starts.  

Jets would not have drafted a QB, just as they would not have tried to sell Zach Wilson to the fan base. they would have figured out a stop gap for 1 season  (mind you, as you have already mentioned, they were a bit better QB play away from being a playoff team last year) , the stop gap probably has them in playoff contention and then they can revisit the veteran route in 2024 with a still young cast of rising stars. 

To me, this is how a smart franchise would have dealt with the situation, but this is the Jets and their incompetent owner we are talking about. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Used to the circus of A-Rod (or Brett) when they still want them starting. Deciding to move on and start the next era is a different situation. No way I am buying that the Packers would have been cool with a disgruntled A-Rod getting paid... 32? million per season for the next two years because you know he sure as fock wasn't going to retire is he felt the Packers kept him from being traded. 

I said Packers had most thr leverage.  One side seems more happy with the outcome.  You can hand out gold stars and analyze it through whatever glasses you want.  Packers were set to take this thing deep.   If they traded him after june 1st I believe they wouldn't of had to eat as much money.  

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Every packers media guy I have heard said Packers are willing to take this thing late if need be.  Sounds like a team with no leverage and scared to not get it done.   

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18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don’t know. What was the talk?  
All I heard was the Jets had no leverage because they had no plan B at QB. 
 

I disagree because the Packers absolutely did not want Aaron Rodgers on the roster but im in the minority of people able to understand that. 

All I heard was that the Jets had all the leverage.  Turns out,, the Packers did all along.

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Teams can't just pretend to be all in then say no guys sorry we are gonna waste this year too.  But promise we will try and hit on some picks!  That would be quite a tune change.   Hey Front Office lets go fo it this year.   Oh well they wouldnt budge unless we also threw in a 1st pick swap.  Axe it.  Lets not go for it at all.   Lets wallow again this year Ive changed my mind.  

Agree to disagree.  Packers to me clearly had most of the leverage.    CLEARLY.  I think it is a split in fanbases.   Packers media and fans said they had thr leverage.   Jets fans and media probably said they had it.   One was right one was wrong.  

The pick swap isnt the issue. I mean, I dont like it but its not the issue at hand. the issue is the Jets blinking on the 2024 compensation. they wanted a 2nd/3rd conditonal. Packers wanted a 1st/2nd and they got it. 

Actually, Jets media and fanbase mostly also felt the Packers had the leverage. A few smart talking heads realized the Jets had more leverage than people thought. 

 

Unfortunately, getting Rodgers is not all in. dude hasnt won anything of significance in over a decade playing in an inferior NFC. If he leads the Jets to a Super bowl, I will happily eat crow but IMHO, all this is is Woody Johnson wanting 2 years of "guaranteed" playoffs to placate the fans and steal the backpage back from the Giants. In 2 years, the Jets will be back at square 1, with no QB but a bunch of young talent getting ready to demand contracts. They better pray that 2 seasons of sitting behind Rodgers humbles Zach Wilson and gets his head in the right place (I do happen to think he has NFL arm talent and mobility)...

 

also, personally I would love to see them figure out a way to draft Hendon Hooker in round 2. I think he is the perfect prospect to sit behind rodgers for 2 seasons and then potentially keep the window open. 

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

All I heard was that the Jets had all the leverage.  Turns out,, the Packers did all along.

I heard a good deal of both.  But no one said at thr time but our staff and owner are incompetent so we will get the short end.  Of course now they say that.  

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

The pick swap isnt the issue. I mean, I dont like it but its not the issue at hand. the issue is the Jets blinking on the 2024 compensation. they wanted a 2nd/3rd conditonal. Packers wanted a 1st/2nd and they got it. 

Actually, Jets media and fanbase mostly also felt the Packers had the leverage. A few smart talking heads realized the Jets had more leverage than people thought. 

 

Unfortunately, getting Rodgers is not all in. dude hasnt won anything of significance in over a decade playing in an inferior NFC. If he leads the Jets to a Super bowl, I will happily eat crow but IMHO, all this is is Woody Johnson wanting 2 years of "guaranteed" playoffs to placate the fans and steal the backpage back from the Giants. In 2 years, the Jets will be back at square 1, with no QB but a bunch of young talent getting ready to demand contracts. They better pray that 2 seasons of sitting behind Rodgers humbles Zach Wilson and gets his head in the right place (I do happen to think he has NFL arm talent and mobility)...

 

also, personally I would love to see them figure out a way to draft Hendon Hooker in round 2. I think he is the perfect prospect to sit behind rodgers for 2 seasons and then potentially keep the window open. 

It was just an anecdote.   Im not saying the 1st round swap is a ton. Im saying what if that was the hang up? What are the Jets going to do? Say nah were good? Lol

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Jets look to immediately improve, obviously, lotta of weapons in place. Short term fix but, could pay off huge.

As far as the Packers, is it a complete rebuild at this point, that offense is in pretty bad shape. How long until they are relevant again? Gonna be a while from the looks of it.

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The Packers probably said we will take this deal.  No less.  Get back to us when you come around.  Supposedly they went a couple weeks without talking much.   Then boom draft week Jets come knocking as leverage started to push.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I said Packers had most thr leverage.  One side seems more happy with the outcome.  You can hand out gold stars and analyze it through whatever glasses you want.  Packers were set to take this thing deep.   If they traded him after june 1st I believe they wouldn't of had to eat as much money.  

Correct, June 1st saved the Packers money. But why should the Jets care, if, as you say, they were all in on this with no plan B and not willing to go in a different direction because of the fans? If they desperately need Rodgers they would pay him whatever. 

Its not about analyzing the trade through any kind of glasses. To me, it's very cut and dry. Both teams had leverage. Both teams were in a game of chicken and one team was going to blink. The Jets blinked. Its frustrating. We can agree to disagree on who had more leverage... im actually not even saying the Packers didn't have more leverage, Im saying the Jets had more than most will admit. 

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6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

All I heard was that the Jets had all the leverage.  Turns out,, the Packers did all along.

Are you in the NY media market? I can assure you this was NOT the case. 

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18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

you have to actually read what I am writing. No one is saying the Jet had ALL the leverage .  I am saying the Jets had more leverage than most people are willing to recognize. You don't want to admit it, that's fine. 

Yes, they did blink. They did not have to blink. 

Head over to ProFootballTalk and read the comments on stories about this prior to today.  You'll find out very fast how wrong you are.