BunnysBastatrds 2,244 Posted April 9, 2023 Was at a truck stop when I was thirteen. Graffiti on the sh!tter .Neitzhie- God is dead God-Neitche is dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, League Champion said: And if God created all things then what created God? Again, I won't knock anyone for believing in God or a higher power. I think the answer to that question is so insanely complicated that we would need millions - perhaps billions - of years of human evolution to even begin to comprehend it. Timewise, humans have barely been around. A geology professor once framed it this way: Let's say you compressed the time of Earth into a minute, and once a year a bird went to Ayres Rock in Australia and pecked a speck off it. If you did a 1-minute time-lapsed video of Earth's history with Ayres Rock on it, it would disappear in a finger snap. Even less so with human civilization. The Earth is 4.54 billion years old, and human civilization has only been around for 3,000 or 4,000 years. I've been on this planet a little over 1 percent of the time that human civilization has been around. paulinstl has been around for about 10 percent of it. There are a whole lot of zeros after the decimal point regarding the percentage of time human civilization has been around relative to how long the Earth has been around. It's hard enough to get one's head around this, much less what exists out there in the universe that potentially has billions of times more time than we have for intellectual development. The shear freakery of certain things I've witnessed in my life - not to mention what's laid out in the Bible - has done nothing but fortify that aforementioned faith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 Just now, League Champion said: A singularity. Our Universe is expanding at the same rate in very direction. That means everything came from a single point. It's a very simple concept. https://thesciencebehindit.org/how-did-the-universe-begin-how-will-it-end/ Who/what created the conditions wherein the bang could occur? Who/what created the gasses that ignited? Who/what caused the ignition? It's easy to dismiss the existence of a higher being and assume we are all here by accident. It's just as easy to think we are part of somebody's science project. I'm not a scientist nor am I a theologist. But, to me, it seems more likely that someone (or something) had a hand in the creation of the universe than all of this just appeared out of nowhere by accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said: Let's say you compressed the time of Earth into a minute, and once a year a bird went to Ayres Rock in Australia and pecked a speck off it. If you did a time-lapsed video of that, Ayres Rock would disappear in a finger snap. Yup, it true. That's called a Planck Time. Our lifetime isn't even a billionth of a second long compared to the age of the universe. It's insane to even comprehend. The numbers are beyond our comprehension. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TommyGavin 790 Posted April 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, BunnysBastatrds said: Was at a truck stop when I was thirteen. Graffiti on the sh!tter .Neitzhie- God is dead God-Neitche is dead Did you get head too ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Who/what created the conditions wherein the bang could occur? Who/what created the gasses that ignited? Who/what caused the ignition? It's easy to dismiss the existence of a higher being and assume we are all here by accident. It's just as easy to think we are part of somebody's science project. I'm not a scientist nor am I a theologist. But, to me, it seems more likely that someone (or something) had a hand in the creation of the universe than all of this just appeared out of nowhere by accident. What? Nothing created the universe. There was no time & space. Everything was compressed into a single dense atom (singularity). What happens when you compress an atom?? Ask Japan. Only this was far more hot and violent. The Big Bang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 Just now, League Champion said: Yup, it true. That's called a Planck Time. Our lifetime isn't even a billionth of a second long compared to the age of the universe. It's insane to even comprehend. The numbers are beyond our comprehension. Yep, so faith. My wife, a yoga teacher, used to claim to be an atheist. But at the end of each yoga session, she put her hands together, put them over her heart, closed her eyes and said, "Namaste." We were talking about atheism, and I said, "So at the end of a yoga session and you do the namaste prayer, where does that go?" Wife: Me: So if you think there is a higher power, but you don't know what that is, isn't that agnostic? Wife: Anyone who practices spirituality is really agnostic, because we can't imagine what God really is. So faith! I'm a Christian, so there's that little extra something something about God's son walking around in human form. I believe it but don't believe that Jews or Muslims are going to burn in hell if they don't. We're all pointing our prayers to the same entity, whatever that may be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 One thing I will never understand is how "The Ten Commandments" somehow became an Easter movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, League Champion said: What? Nothing created the universe. There was no time & space. Everything was compressed into a single dense atom (singularity). What happens when you compress an atom?? Ask Japan. Only this was far more hot and violent. The Big Bang Who created the atom and everything that was compressed within it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, League Champion said: Only this was far more hot and violent. The Big Bang Like I gave your mom last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Who created the atom? Nothing created the atom. The deep vacuum of space created the atom, compressed it and boom. Big bang Unless Gallagher smashed a watermelon and created the universe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, League Champion said: Nothing created the atom. The deep vacuum of space created the atom, compressed it and boom. Big bang Unless Gallagher smashed a watermelon and created the universe? Something came from nothing by accident? That seems improbable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, League Champion said: What? Nothing created the universe. There was no time & space. Everything was compressed into a single dense atom (singularity). What happens when you compress an atom?? Ask Japan. Only this was far more hot and violent. The Big Bang 20 minutes ago, League Champion said: Nothing created the atom. The deep vacuum of space created the atom, compressed it and boom. Big bang Unless Gallagher smashed a watermelon and created the universe? How could the deep vacuum of space create the atom if space didn't exist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 1 minute ago, 5-Points said: How could the deep vacuum of space create the atom if space didn't exist? Vacuums are made of atoms. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mookz 1,336 Posted April 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Something came from nothing by accident? That seems improbable. First there was nothingness, then it exploded. As will happen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Vacuums are made of atoms. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,334 Posted April 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mookz said: First there was nothingness, then it exploded. As will happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,651 Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, BunnysBastatrds said: Was at a truck stop when I was thirteen. Graffiti on the sh!tter .Neitzhie- God is dead God-Neitche is dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Something came from nothing by accident? That seems improbable. Quantum Mechanics. Something can come from nothing. That's why you're here. Not because God shat out the earth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,436 Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said: One thing I will never understand is how "The Ten Commandments" somehow became an Easter movie. It gave me a stiff last year watching it and even made a post about it on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 1 minute ago, BeenHereBefore said: It gave me a stiff last year watching it and even made a post about it on here. Yvonne De Carlo and Anne Baxter were pretty hot in their day. And all that group sinning ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,436 Posted April 9, 2023 Just now, Pimpadeaux said: Yvonne De Carlo and Anne Baxter were pretty hot in their day. And all that group sinning ... Amen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 1 minute ago, BeenHereBefore said: Amen! Yvonne de Carlos invented goth chicks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,262 Posted April 9, 2023 48 minutes ago, League Champion said: Quantum Mechanics. Something can come from nothing. That's why you're here. Not because God shat out the earth. How were the laws of the universe (that make everything work together) created? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted April 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Gepetto said: How were the laws of the universe (that make everything work together) created? From a woman's bagina. It's the only answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Yvonne De Carlo and Anne Baxter were pretty hot in their day. No joke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Gepetto said: How were the laws of the universe (that make everything work together) created? We would need a few hours for that discussion. Everything that you are made of was created in the big bang. The entire universe is made up these very same atoms. About 99 percent of your body is made up of atoms of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,912 Posted April 9, 2023 17 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: If you don't believe God exists, then you probably have spent little to no time researching people who have experiences unexplainable by materialism. I am not judging you btw. I was that person a few months ago. And I had spent like 0 time researching this stuff. Now that I have, there's just too much unexplainable shlt to think there is no higher power. Though that power, in my belief, isn't outside of us. It's inside of us. We are a part of it. There is no separate God, we have a piece of God in us. We are God, in a sense, though just a sliver That’s the problem. You find unexplainable things and your answer is that it must be a God. That unfortunately, is not proof that there is one. I’ll say my argument again. The whole idea of religion is this after life. Give me any evidence that there is one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 18 hours ago, weepaws said: No not true, what is simple is that God knew that satin would their as a serpent, God knew that satin would test them, and they believed the lie, satin also told them that they would know good and evil, and they did. Mankind lost, but when satin tried it with Jesus, satin lost. God gives us free will, we are not robots, and we are easily fall into the devils trap, in which there’s protection from ,the armor of God , Ephesians 6:10-18. God doesn’t send anyone to Hell, people send themselves to Hell, much like people send themselves to prison, and not the Judge, the Judge just lays out the sentence, but people do the crime, the crime of mankind is not repenting from sin, and accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. It’s in God’s word, the Bible. Thanks. See I think that's where we get it wrong. They didn't fail. There is no failure. Its just a different outcome than if they didn't eat from the forbidden tree. Also, there is no paradise anyway. You would be bored if you were in "paradise". There would be no challenge in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: That’s the problem. You find unexplainable things and your answer is that it must be a God. That unfortunately, is not proof that there is one. I’ll say my argument again. The whole idea of religion is this after life. Give me any evidence that there is one. It's not just a few unexplainable truths or miracles. Its a combination of so many things. How do you explain people remembering the lives of other people who came before them? Literally unexplainable unless there is some form of an afterlife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,651 Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, cyclone24 said: That’s the problem. You find unexplainable things and your answer is that it must be a God. That unfortunately, is not proof that there is one. I’ll say my argument again. The whole idea of religion is this after life. Give me any evidence that there is one. Ya gotta have faith 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,912 Posted April 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: It's not just a few unexplainable truths or miracles. Its a combination of so many things. How do you explain people remembering the lives of other people who came before them? Literally unexplainable unless there is some form of an afterlife. Right it’s a bunch of unexplainable things that you’ve extrapolate in generalities from a Bible to then somehow come to the conclusion that there’s a God. That in no way makes it so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,912 Posted April 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, kutulu said: Ya gotta have faith Again, faith is not proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,651 Posted April 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Again, faith is not proof. Ya gotta have proof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Right it’s a bunch of unexplainable things that you’ve extrapolate in generalities from a Bible to then somehow come to the conclusion that there’s a God. That in no way makes it so. I didn't extrapolate anything from the Bible. I'm not Christian. I do not believe in the traditional form of God. My belief is more of the We are all a part of a single consciousness of energy. Energy ties everything in the universe together, and it allows us to share in this energy field that is not accessible through the material world. Anyway, there are modern day stories of people remembering someone else's past. That cannot be explained unless there is some form of being outside of the physical realm. Also, read about the countless stories of people speaking to beings in their mind. The experiences people have with ayahuasca and other substances that break down the barrier between the physical and spiritual realm. You're telling me that 100% of the countless stories are either fabricated or a dilusion? I had my own experience that cannot be explained by the world of materialism. I have been grounded in the physical world my entire life. Yet I now also join a group of people who have a dilusion that feels as real as any moment in my life? I mean if that's how you prefer to go about life then so be it but there is one fact that is undeniable You gain absolutely nothing by denying the possibility of God or the spiritual realm. If you do believe, you unlock so much more to life than what you can see or touch, and it only increases the experiences in the physical realm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, kutulu said: Ya gotta have proof We have proof that the big bang happened. There's absolutely no proof of a "God". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 I challenge anyone who denies the existance of the spiritual realm to start practicing deep meditation. Regardless of whether you expect to experience something profound or not, deep meditation is good for you. There is a lot of science that is backing this up. The scientific community is slowly starting to admit the effect of this realm of the mind and beyond Practice deep meditation for a time, gain the benefits, and then come back and tell me there is no God. Do something that has some actual research. Non believers have the same tactic, and I was one of them. I can't believe how dumb I was. I didn't do any research. I put all of the burden of proof on other people, and them I didn't do any actual research. Just a not very smart approach to something that has so much potential Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, League Champion said: We have proof that the big bang happened. There's absolutely no proof of a "God". Peope are changing their opinion of the big bang. Expansionism seems to be a more reliable explanation. How is the universe expanding at an increasing rate? Because consciousness is expanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,038 Posted April 9, 2023 Ultimately whatever you believe your reality to be, that is what it will be. If you believe there is no God or spiritual realm to tap into, then your options will remain limited to the physical world If you believe there is not only a God, in some form or another, and that there is a power that we can tap into related to this God, then that will be your reality. You will be able to use the spiritual realm and physical world to manifest your reality. I prefer the one that gives me more options and makes me more powerful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted April 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Expansionism seems to be a more reliable explanation. If everything came from a single point then it would naturally expand, hence inflation. That was my point regarding the Universe expanding at an even rate on all sides. And galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light. How far can it expand and will there be a big crunch someday?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites