Marine doing Marine sh!t

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

8 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I support the right of the accused to defend himself, and others, from immenent danger accurtately and reasonably perceived.  As I understand matters the perception of real and immenent danger was not only the perception of the marine, but of several otyhers in the subway car.  To me taht confluence of perception is indicative of an objective danger, not merely a subjectively perceived danger, incorrectly perceived.  

 

 

 

Jury composition will be huge in this case. People who regularly ride the subway are just going to plain feel differently about all this. 

Team Blue is stuck here. If Penny gets off, the eventual rioting and looting and burning will continue to turn small business owners in NY away from Democrats. These are long standing legacy voting losses that can't be recovered. Lee Zeldin got way way closer than anyone believed was possible against Hochul for NY Governor. If Penny is convicted, Team Blue continues to incite the military vote against them. Afghanistan could have lost Team Blue some military voters for up to FIVE full general election cycles in the future. 

The other long term problem is convicting Penny will encourage "self created justice" in the streets. You'd have to go back to Scorsese's Taxi Driver to really unpack it. See a guy committing a violent crime in NY. Take our your hidden gun, legal or not, shoot the criminal in the head. Then call no one. Tell no one. Everyone around says nothing at all. 

What's the problem with normalized "vigilante" justice?  Eventually they figure out it's time to go after the "People In Charge" 

When you remove basic civil order in any large community, some kind of "surrogate system" will eventually emerge. And the pathway for that can spin out of control very quickly. Hochul and Bragg can be smug and toxic about all this, but are they prepared to see a mass of firearm related hits all over the city again and again? Then if you try to "take the guns" with more Team Blue NY public policy, how do you think people will react then? 

Power is mostly useless when you have people coming after you and your children non stop. If you are seen as the "reason for blame", fair or not, then people will just come after you. It's how it works. 

At some point, citizens will just start shooting criminals en masse. What will Bragg do then? 

[MDC 6,859]

20 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

Jury composition will be huge in this case. People who regularly ride the subway are just going to plain feel differently about all this. 

Team Blue is stuck here. If Penny gets off, the eventual rioting and looting and burning will continue to turn small business owners in NY away from Democrats. These are long standing legacy voting losses that can't be recovered. Lee Zeldin got way way closer than anyone believed was possible against Hochul for NY Governor. If Penny is convicted, Team Blue continues to incite the military vote against them. Afghanistan could have lost Team Blue some military voters for up to FIVE full general election cycles in the future. 

The other long term problem is convicting Penny will encourage "self created justice" in the streets. You'd have to go back to Scorsese's Taxi Driver to really unpack it. See a guy committing a violent crime in NY. Take our your hidden gun, legal or not, shoot the criminal in the head. Then call no one. Tell no one. Everyone around says nothing at all. 

What's the problem with normalized "vigilante" justice?  Eventually they figure out it's time to go after the "People In Charge" 

When you remove basic civil order in any large community, some kind of "surrogate system" will eventually emerge. And the pathway for that can spin out of control very quickly. Hochul and Bragg can be smug and toxic about all this, but are they prepared to see a mass of firearm related hits all over the city again and again? Then if you try to "take the guns" with more Team Blue NY public policy, how do you think people will react then? 

Power is mostly useless when you have people coming after you and your children non stop. If you are seen as the "reason for blame", fair or not, then people will just come after you. It's how it works. 

At some point, citizens will just start shooting criminals en masse. What will Bragg do then? 

I don’t think you’ll see protests if Penny gets off. Anyone who rides the subway regularly sees this sort of aggressive behavior out of the deranged homeless sometimes and nobody likes it. I think it’s questionable whether Penny was warranted in restraining this dude but even a supposed lefty like me isn’t going to burn him at the stake for it.

Even though I rarely agree with you and your posts are overlong I genuinely think you have some interesting takes fwiw.

[dogcows 1,030]

Hmm…  

[Voltaire 5,032]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2023/07/11/person-of-interest-sought-in-troy-target-parking-lot-assault/70402520007/

God Bless the Daniel Pennys of the world, seeing sh*t and acting, risking personal injury to stand up to criminals and protect crime victims they don't know for the betterment of their communities.

[League Champion 1,807]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2023/07/11/person-of-interest-sought-in-troy-target-parking-lot-assault/70402520007/

God Bless the Daniel Pennys of the world, seeing sh*t and acting, risking personal injury to stand up to criminals and protect crime victims they don't know for the betterment of their communities.

Amen my Friend 

[RLLD 3,985]

20 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2023/07/11/person-of-interest-sought-in-troy-target-parking-lot-assault/70402520007/

God Bless the Daniel Pennys of the world, seeing sh*t and acting, risking personal injury to stand up to criminals and protect crime victims they don't know for the betterment of their communities.

Let's not forget how "the system" failed this criminal, forcing him to take violent action against others...../sarcasm   

[Alias Detective 1,345]

On 7/10/2023 at 4:31 PM, dogcows said:

Hmm…  

Why did the cop need subdued?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Turns out some people are allowed to defend themselves in the subway.  Even kill a guy. 

[Strike 4,945]

So, trial started today.  Some revelations that came out from police testimony:

- When the cops got there the "victim" had a pulse.

- The cops chose not to give Mouth to Mouth to the "victim" because he looked like a drug user and they didn't want to get Hepatitis. 

- Instead, the gave him Narcan and watched him die.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/us/daniel-penny-trial-jordan-neely-death/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14030841/daniel-penny-jordan-neely-chokehold-trial-nyc-subway.html

Why did this hero get arrested again? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

So, trial started today.  Some revelations that came out from police testimony:

- When the cops got there the "victim" had a pulse.

- The cops chose not to give Mouth to Mouth to the "victim" because he looked like a drug user and they didn't want to get Hepatitis. 

- Instead, the gave him Narcan and watched him die.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/us/daniel-penny-trial-jordan-neely-death/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14030841/daniel-penny-jordan-neely-chokehold-trial-nyc-subway.html

Why did this hero get arrested again? 

Liberals.  Only they can line people up against the wall.

[Fireballer 2,625]

Manslaughter charge dismissed.  Others still pending

[jbycho 318]

17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Manslaughter charge dismissed.  Others still pending

Good deal at least for that one charge. The guy should be given an apology, a medal, and a bunch of money for what he has been put through. 

[BiffTannen 734]

26 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Manslaughter charge dismissed.  Others still pending

Because they were deadlocked. Any juror that had a guilty vote should be choked out and thrown in the ocean. 

[jbycho 318]

2 minutes ago, BiffTannen said:

Because they were deadlocked. Any juror that had a guilty vote should be choked out and thrown in the ocean. 

I would fully enjoy being a key member in carrying out that activity. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Manslaughter charge dismissed.  Others still pending

The charges they made up.  

[lickin_starfish 1,831]

Even if Penny is freed of all charges, NY State still gets it's intended effect, which is to stop people from helping each other.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114]

Free man.  Can’t believe all the libtards who went after this guy 

[Reality 3,061]

It's a disgrace that it ever went to trial.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

On 5/16/2023 at 4:13 PM, GutterBoy said:

There are videos out there of people doing the right thing, either stopping or subduing criminals.  The marine didn't have to kill him, and he should have known this.  That's why he's on trial.

This guy.  Sad.  

[Alias Detective 1,345]

Another one bites the dust.

[RLLD 3,985]

27 minutes ago, Reality said:

It's a disgrace that it ever went to trial.

This.

The prosecutor is on video admitting she is deferential to people of color, so she is a racist, THAT is why this thing went to court.  Daniel Penny has the wrong pigmentation.

The jury is coming through for us though, good people usually rise to the occasion.  We should take hope in how this has unfolded so far. 

[Kopy 541]

Daniel Penny should be the litmus test for everyone.

If you think he's innocent. An American Patriot who is a hero. Than continue being you.

If you think he's guilty. Than you're pretty much a complete piece of garbage and a waste of life. 

PLEASE DON'T REPRODUCE!

 

 

[jerryskids 6,317]

Interesting that the jury couldn't agree on Not Guilty until the manslaughter charge was dismissed.  You think it would be the other way around, where one or two holdouts agree to find him guilty on the lesser charges.   

[Strike 4,945]

He still has a civil suit to deal with.

[Engorgeous George 1,946]

Of course he has had to devote his life and his finances to securing a verdict when charges never should have been brought.  He has lost months of his life and will forever be recognized and known by some as a perpetrator as some, those with a racist agenda, are unlikely to let this go.  also, he faces months if not years more of expense and devoting his life to this one moment in time as he is being sued civilly.  Justice would be a Presidential Medal of Freedom, a Kennedy Centers Honor, and a go fund me page which raises millions if not tens of millions.  Justice would be Alvin Bragg being tarred and feathered and dragged through the streets.

[squistion 1,776]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Of course he has had to devote his life and his finances to securing a verdict when charges never should have been brought.  He has lost months of his life and will forever be recognized and known by some as a perpetrator as some, those with a racist agenda, are unlikely to let this go.  also, he faces months if not years more of expense and devoting his life to this one moment in time as he is being sued civilly.  Justice would be a Presidential Medal of Freedom, a Kennedy Centers Honor, and a go fund me page which raises millions if not tens of millions.  Justice would be Alvin Bragg being tarred and feathered and dragged through the streets.

SMH

[Patented Phil 1,370]

Awesome news.  Fock you Bragg - you corrupt, racist pos.

Looking forward to @peenie’s tears and @TimHauck‘s bad takes.

[TimHauck 2,513]

13 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Awesome news.  Fock you Bragg - you corrupt, racist pos.

Looking forward to @peenie’s tears and @TimHauck‘s bad takes.

I think his actions were justified, but thank you for thinking of me.

[Engorgeous George 1,946]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think his actions were justified, but thank you for thinking of me.

His is a rather indefinite pronoun in this case.  By "his" are you referring to to Bragg or to Penny?

[peenie 1,863]

I wasn't there, but I do ride trains and have been riding them since I was a child. Seeing homeless people who are out of their minds saying and doing crazy things is part of the scenery. Crazy homeless people sometimes ask for money, yell, urinate, masturbate, sleep, fall, pass out... So, I likely, wouldn't feel threatened by a homeless man screaming death threats. I would feel frightened if the homeless person attacked me or another person on the train or if he had a weapon. Otherwise, I'd ignore him. I wasn't there and I don't know very much about this case. I do think we should clean up the train stations; they shouldn't be hotels for the homeless and mentally unstable. Riders shouldn't be subject to abuse. 

I think though...6 minutes is a mighty long time to keep someone in a chokehold, just as 9 minutes is a long time to keep someone's knee on their neck. 

[TimHauck 2,513]

43 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

His is a rather indefinite pronoun in this case.  By "his" are you referring to to Bragg or to Penny?

Penny

[The Real timschochet 5,628]

On 5/15/2023 at 8:39 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

Pretty much hasn’t changed. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Pretty much hasn’t changed. 

You sound unhinged. Maybe this isn’t the place for you? 

[Engorgeous George 1,946]

On 5/15/2023 at 9:39 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

 

[Patented Phil 1,370]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Pretty much hasn’t changed. 

I don't care what color the guy he killed was.  At all.  If the colors were reversed I’d feel the exact same way.  Not that you’ll believe that.  You’re the most biased, prejudicial person in here.

[MDC 6,859]

Penny had his day in court and he was cleared - justice was served. Unfortunate situation all around.

[thegeneral 2,644]

If on the jury I would not put anything on this guy that involved jail time. Hopefully he goes on and lives his life and this is the end of hearing about this.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,591]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Pretty much hasn’t changed. 

Your strawmen and hysterical, gaslighting rants?  Yeah, you're right.  It hasn't changed. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,114]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

I wasn't there, but I do ride trains and have been riding them since I was a child. Seeing homeless people who are out of their minds saying and doing crazy things is part of the scenery. Crazy homeless people sometimes ask for money, yell, urinate, masturbate, sleep, fall, pass out... So, I likely, wouldn't feel threatened by a homeless man screaming death threats. I would feel frightened if the homeless person attacked me or another person on the train or if he had a weapon. Otherwise, I'd ignore him. I wasn't there and I don't know very much about this case. I do think we should clean up the train stations; they shouldn't be hotels for the homeless and mentally unstable. Riders shouldn't be subject to abuse. 

I think though...6 minutes is a mighty long time to keep someone in a chokehold, just as 9 minutes is a long time to keep someone's knee on their neck. 

It took 3 men to take him down and to subdue him. At the end of 6 mins he was alive and in police custody and emt were on scene. Just want to point this out to you. 

[Patented Phil 1,370]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

I wasn't there, but I do ride trains and have been riding them since I was a child. Seeing homeless people who are out of their minds saying and doing crazy things is part of the scenery. Crazy homeless people sometimes ask for money, yell, urinate, masturbate, sleep, fall, pass out... So, I likely, wouldn't feel threatened by a homeless man screaming death threats. I would feel frightened if the homeless person attacked me or another person on the train or if he had a weapon. Otherwise, I'd ignore him. I wasn't there and I don't know very much about this case. I do think we should clean up the train stations; they shouldn't be hotels for the homeless and mentally unstable. Riders shouldn't be subject to abuse. 

I think though...6 minutes is a mighty long time to keep someone in a chokehold, just as 9 minutes is a long time to keep someone's knee on their neck. 

And crazy homeless people sometimes follow up their threats with violence - oh like this guy did!

But don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings, Peenie.