seafoam1 2,291 Posted August 20, 2023 Trump is so far ahead of the liberals. The liberals want to bring this country back into the 1800s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 4,510 Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: Exactly. It’s Castro emptying his prisons What’s really sad is that I know you know better than this. https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/comparing-crime-rates-between-undocumented-immigrants-legal-immigrants-and Undocumented immigrants don’t commit more crimes; they commit LESS crimes than legal immigrants or American citizens. Far less in fact. Every study shows the same thing and it’s not even close. If you want to make arguments against illegals, there are plenty of reasonable ones to make about their effect on local economies and the cost of them being here, etc I might disagree with you but at least the arguments are valid. This one is not; it’s based on ignorance . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,655 Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, The Real timschochet said: Undocumented immigrants don’t commit more crimes So open borders don't affect the crime rates?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 4,510 Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, League Champion said: So open borders don't affect the crime rates?? The amount of fentanyl coming over the border is a real problem. But it has nothing to do with undocumented immigration. Apples and oranges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,655 Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, The Real timschochet said: But it has nothing to do with undocumented immigration. ???? Are you insane? Of course it does. They can get anything across the border, and they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 4,510 Posted August 20, 2023 If you can find a way to cut down or significantly reduce the amount of fentanyl coming in over the border without impacting trade, I’m willing to entertain it, no matter what impact it might have on undocumented immigration. But the two issues aren’t really connected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 4,510 Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, League Champion said: ???? Are you insane? Of course it does. They can get anything across the border, and they are. 99% of undocumented immigrants have nothing to do with fentanyl. Don’t you know this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted August 20, 2023 Must of us know the MSM is compromised… Quote Media outlets constantly tell us that illegal immigrants have low crime rates — so no need to worry. “Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crimes,” one New York Times headline declares. To them, this somehow justifies not enforcing immigration laws. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas essentially made this argument in his infamous Sept. 30, 2021, memo that greatly curtailed interior enforcement. Advocates also use their supposed low crime rate to justify releasing illegal immigrants from jails, even after they have been identified. Any local cooperation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement will keep immigrants from reporting crimes out of fear of being deported — or so the argument goes. In fact, the evidence that illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than people born in America and the idea that immigrants don’t report crimes for fear of ICE are likely wrong. And noncooperation with ICE endangers public safety and makes a mockery of our immigration laws. Let’s first examine the low-crime-rate argument. It’s not so easy to determine illegal immigrants’ crime rate because most jurisdictions don’t carefully track the immigration status of those convicted or incarcerated. We do know that noncitizens, a large share of whom are illegal immigrants, represent a disproportionate share of federal offenders, but it’s not clear whether this is true at the state and local levels, where most law enforcement takes place. A new Center for Immigration Studies analysis shows that illegal immigrants have higher conviction rates than the general population for serious crimes NY Post Texas is an exception. The state’s Department of Public Safety keeps some of the most useful data on criminals’ immigration status, but it’s useful only if researchers understand its limits. In the last few years, widely citedstudies by the Cato Institute and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science and a recent Cato update have misinterpreted the Texas DPS data to argue that illegal immigrants have low rates of arrest and conviction. A new Center for Immigration Studies analysis shows that, when properly understood, Texas DPS data actually show that illegal immigrants have higher conviction rates than the general population for serious crimes such as homicide and sexual assault. (For less serious crimes, it is harder to say.) The authors of the Cato and PNAS articles don’t appreciate that it typically takes years for DPS to identify convicts as illegal immigrants. As DPS recognizes more of them as illegal immigrants, their share of criminal convictions rises in the data. The figure above illustrates how counting only the illegal immigrants identified upon arrest produces a crime rate lower than the state average, but adding in the illegal immigrants identified while in prison shows the crime rate is actually higher than average. Advocates use the low crime rate to justify releasing illegal immigrants from jails. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido There are some caveats. Since illegal immigrants are often not identified for years, the number of illegal-immigrant convicts in Texas is still undercounted. This is especially true for those convicted of lesser crimes carrying shorter sentences because they may be released before their status is ever discovered. And illegal-immigrant crime rates in Texas may not be representative of illegal immigrants nationally. Perhaps most important, the relative crime rate of the illegal-immigrant population is never a reason for local jurisdictions to spurn cooperation with ICE by releasing arrested illegal immigrants before the feds can pick them up. The primary reason they should always cooperate with federal immigration enforcement is simple — doing so gets potentially dangerous people out of the community. The argument against local law enforcement cooperating with ICE is that immigrants are reluctant to report crimes if they fear deportation. But there is very little actual evidence for this. Most jurisdictions don’t carefully track the immigration status of those convicted or incarcerated. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido The National Crime Victimization Survey, which is specifically designed to measure the public’s willingness to report crimes, shows that immigrants, including noncitizen Hispanics, are actually somewhat more likely to report crimes than the native-born. This is trueof immigrants even in the South and outside big cities, where cooperation with ICE is most common. There’s simply no indication local cooperation with ICE leads to less immigrant-crime reporting. Of course, whatever the illegal-immigrant crime rate might be, it’s always the case that by cooperating with ICE, local jurisdictions both enhance public safety and aid the important national goal of enforcing immigration laws. Despite all the media coverage to the contrary — Politico made the lower-crime claim just last month — the evidence from Texas suggests illegal immigrants actually have above-average crime rates, at least for the most serious crimes. This is a great reminder that just because the media keep asserting something does not make it so. Steven Camarota is director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 4,510 Posted August 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Must of us know the MSM is compromised… Yes, the Center for Immigrant Studies is a truly qualified source…for bigotry and hatred that is: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/03/23/hate-groups-center-immigration-studies-want-you-believe-they’re-mainstream You’re being fed lies. But it’s up to you to accept them or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,291 Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: Yes, the Center for Immigrant Studies is a truly qualified source…for bigotry and hatred that is: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/03/23/hate-groups-center-immigration-studies-want-you-believe-they’re-mainstream You’re being fed lies. But it’s up to you to accept them or not. You do realize you come across as way more hate filled than any conservative on this site does. Just thought I would point that out for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re being fed lies. But it’s up to you to accept them or not. If Trump did nothing else he exposed the MSM for what it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,291 Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: If Trump did nothing else he exposed the MSM for what it is He did. And the whole "Jan 6" bullshit, thats all just a deflection of the 2020 riots. I would love for someone to try to prove me wrong. "Jan 6" was a gift handed to the liberals by a bunch of dungeon and dragon players and dumbasses that wanted to sitesee in the capital after they opened the doors and let people in to take selfies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted August 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, HellToupee said: If Trump did nothing else he exposed the MSM for what it is There was more light shed on the bias of the MSM, but his and his followers' threshold for bad media is also anything anti-Trump so I don't think the end result was great. A good result would have been an outcome of good, less biased media - not what we have now which is just 2 seperate but equally biased sets of sources of info. More places like OAN and the like is a bad outcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,655 Posted August 20, 2023 49 minutes ago, HellToupee said: If Trump did nothing else he exposed the MSM for what it is He exposed EVERYONE. That's why they're scared as hell of him. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,571 Posted August 21, 2023 6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: 99% of undocumented immigrants have nothing to do with fentanyl. Don’t you know this? Are you going to take any migrants in like some of the blue city mayors have asked people to do? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,770 Posted August 21, 2023 14 hours ago, League Champion said: He exposed EVERYONE. That's why they're scared as hell of him. This. The terror they have is driven by the lack of leverage over him coupled with his inclination to not support the status quo of corrupt dealings. They will do, and have done, anything....just anything out of a fear that he might ruin their good thing..... and I love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,655 Posted August 21, 2023 16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: 99% of undocumented immigrants have nothing to do with fentanyl. Don’t you know this? DEMS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 964 Posted August 21, 2023 Half of the fentanyl dealers in San Francisco are illegal aliens https://x.com/kevinkileyca/status/1693396819072680362?s=46&t=Fib7p2nPeGXuJiuDfFsfmA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,655 Posted August 21, 2023 How can anyone say that immigration isn't an issue? Democrats are crying the blues because they can't house or feed them all. NYC looks like France Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,571 Posted August 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, League Champion said: How can anyone say that immigration isn't an issue? Democrats are crying the blues because they can't house or feed them all. NYC looks like France And Real Tim won’t take any of them in to stay at his house and eat his food. Hypocrite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,154 Posted August 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: And Real Tim won’t take any of them in to stay at his house and eat his food. Hypocrite. He employs them. Under the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,571 Posted August 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, League Champion said: That’s a very sad story. I don’t like seeing that. Biden is such a POS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,291 Posted August 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, League Champion said: None of them were white. Which means they were all stupid in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted August 22, 2023 He just came to the granite state to have a better life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,583 Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 1:54 PM, TheNewGirl said: He employs them. Under the table. Tim has served. Tim will be of service. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted September 5, 2023 @The Real timschochet’s type of guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,593 Posted September 5, 2023 Migrant arrested 6 times for 14 crimes in first two months in NYC https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/migrant-arrested-6-times-for-14-crimes-in-first-two-months-in-nyc/ar-AA1g8MRh Quote A man who arrived in New York City two months ago from Venezuela has randomly attacked at least three strangers and two cops, and gotten arrested – and released – six times on 14 different charges, police and sources said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted September 5, 2023 Just now, Baker Boy said: Migrant arrested 6 times for 14 crimes in first two months in NYC https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/migrant-arrested-6-times-for-14-crimes-in-first-two-months-in-nyc/ar-AA1g8MRh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,571 Posted September 5, 2023 It’s not happening Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,593 Posted September 5, 2023 Pennsylvania schools close as law enforcement continues manhunt for escaped killer Danelo Souza Cavalcante, who escaped Thursday from Chester State Prison, is in US illegally, officials say https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylvania-schools-close-law-enforcement-continues-manhunt-escaped-killer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,571 Posted September 5, 2023 Saw an 11 year old boy in Ohio got killed by an illegal on the first day of school. Illegal was doing 100 mph and slammed into the school bus. I wonder if real Tim and other liberals have some high minded platitudes for the family? I wish it were one of them instead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,291 Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Saw an 11 year old boy in Ohio got killed by an illegal on the first day of school. Illegal was doing 100 mph and slammed into the school bus. I wonder if real Tim and other liberals have some high minded platitudes for the family? I wish it were one of them instead. #metoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,593 Posted September 5, 2023 Crimes committed by illegal immigrants surged in 2021 after declining in previous years https://capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/crimes-committed-by-illegal-immigrants-surged-in-2021-after-declining-in-previous-years/ Quote Illegal immigrants committed 1,178 assault and domestic violence crimes in 2021, which represents a more than 400% increase from the 208 in 2020. Sixty homicide or manslaughter convictions were attributed to illegal immigrants in 2021, a 1,900% increase from the previous year. Driving under the influence convictions rose 347% from 364 to 1,629, and illegal possession of or trafficking of drugs rose 453% from 386 to 2,138.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 155 Posted September 5, 2023 44 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It’s not happening It's only happening a little. Of course it is happening, everybody knew that but it is the GOPs fault. We need more of this because it is a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,896 Posted September 5, 2023 37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Saw an 11 year old boy in Ohio got killed by an illegal on the first day of school. Illegal was doing 100 mph and slammed into the school bus. I wonder if real Tim and other liberals have some high minded platitudes for the family? I wish it were one of them instead. What a POS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted September 5, 2023 just wanted a better life in @The Real timschochet fairytale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,007 Posted September 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said: What a POS. This guy is an animal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,291 Posted September 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said: What a POS. Yeah, that illegal is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
