New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

 

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A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.

Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.

Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud.

 

Wow-summary judgment.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Zzzzz. Kangaroo court. No one GAF. 

[HellToupee 1,252]

Find him guilty of buggery as well while they are at it

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Zzzzz. Kangaroo court. No one GAF. 

Ask Trump if he GAF.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Ask Trump if he GAF.

That’s his problem. I don’t care. You act as if he’s the only one. I bet you think they’re all crooks, or a lot of them are. Deny that? Then ask yourself why he’s the only one being persecuted at this level. But you’re ok with it. 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

22 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Find him guilty of buggery as well while they are at it

I don’t know what it is with the word “buggery” but it made me laugh pretty hard. Well done.  

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s his problem. I don’t care. You act as if he’s the only one. I bet you think they’re all crooks, or a lot of them are. Deny that? Then ask yourself why he’s the only one being persecuted at this level. But you’re ok with it. 

Yes, I absolutely deny that.  You keep telling yourself that so that you don't have to feel like you been had.

You are like a battered wife or a Browns fan.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yes, I absolutely deny that.  You keep telling yourself that so that you don't have to feel like you been had.

So you don’t think many elected officials are dirty? Seriously? Then tell us how they all get so rich. I bet you think Pelosi is better at investing than Buffett. Because she is, evidently.  

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you don’t think many elected officials are dirty? Seriously? Then tell us how they all get so rich. I bet you think Pelosi is better at investing than Buffett. Because she is, evidently.  

Whataboutism at its finest.

Father T-pump is a crook.

He can cry his b!tch ass a river!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Whataboutism at its finest.

Father T-pump is a crook.

He can cry his b!tch ass a river!

I don’t say he’s not  a crook or that he earned it all. Go ahead and search out what I have said about Trump university. But it’s obviously not a disqualification considering I think (know) they’re all crooks. See, moron, it’s transactional with me, like it should be. I’m not emotional about it, like you hysterical ninnies are. Fascist! 

[MDC 6,754]

If only the America First crowd stuck up for organized labor like they do billionaire fraudsters. 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

If only the America First crowd stuck up for organized labor like they do billionaire fraudsters. 

But Trump really cares about them and the average Joe.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

57 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Wow-summary judgment.  

 

The American public is exhausted. By the end of the 2024 general cycle, that means Trump will have been politically persecuted in the national daily media cycle, almost non stop for about a decade. From a professional media optics standpoint, that length of venom is staggering. 

I'd say -

85 percent of what is levied against Trump is partisan hackery and attempting to incite low information voters who lean for Team Blue

15 percent is where Trump does and says some completely idiotic and corrupt things that should put him in the jackpot legally. 

The J6 Hearings completely crashed and burned from a ratings standpoint. The DNC and Team Blue needed a massive audience, much in the vein of Trump vs Clinton in their last debate, to make an appreciable difference for 2024. Instead they lost out to reruns of Young Sheldon. Even if Trump is caught in areas where he's clearly guilty and where he clear has no defense, it all looks like a hatchet job. The documents case is indefensible from a legal standpoint. But it's surrounded by many paper thin cases elsewhere so idiots like Tish James and Alvin Bragg can engage their "brand" into a national conversation. 

There's a saturation point for everything in professional politics. OK, "Orange Man Bad" is here. Everyone gets it. I won't defend EVERY charge against Trump, because some issues have real legal merit. But it's drowned out by the endless hatchet work that's just partisan theater. The DNC has turned Trump into a caricature. No one is shocked when Cartman from South Park says something over the top and offensive. Some people laugh. Some will shrug their shoulders and move on. 

I'm NOT defending Trump in a blanket manner. I am saying, for the 2024 election, you can't keep crying wolf and keep saying "We finally got him" and never deliver. Want proof of that? Look at the abortion issue. Obama had an opportunity to codify Roe into federal law, said so in public, then lied to everyone right in their faces. Eventually you have to deliver. And as much as people despise Trump, he helped to deliver one of the largest wins for Pro Life in recorded human history. 

Trump is an imbecile and a grifter. But he's not always wrong. And he's not always guilty. That so many activist radical leftists can't make that distinction on this forum is actually pathetic. "But Trump" will backfire, even IN THE INSTANCES WHERE IT'S LEGITIMATE, if you pair it with the non stop attack on the American working class. The larger story here is that people felt less pain at the gas pump, the grocery store and their kids weren't locked down under Trump and the GOP. The opposite is true with Biden and Blue strongholds. 

The DNC turned Donald J Trump into Cartman. So people just are too tired to care anymore. When you hose them endlessly for food, gasoline and housing, they give up. Why would anyone elect "Cartman"? Because Cartman looks actually desirable to many compared to the stumbling human houseplant that is current Joe Biden. 

Trump is guilty. OK, many independents, moderates and undecideds will say "So What? Is This New?" 

You'll say that's not fair. And it's not fair. But you can't saturate people for A DECADE and not deliver. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Biden spent a half an hour with the striking auto workers today. Then he flew to California for a Silicon Valley fund raiser. That about sums it up. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden spent a half an hour with the striking auto workers today. Then he flew to California for a Silicon Valley fund raiser. That about sums it up. 

It's called campaigning.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t say he’s not  a crook or that he earned it all. Go ahead and search out what I have said about Trump university. But it’s obviously not a disqualification considering I think (know) they’re all crooks. See, moron, it’s transactional with me, like it should be. I’m not emotional about it, like you hysterical ninnies are. Fascist! 

Fascism is a right-wing ideology. 

[MDC 6,754]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

But Trump really cares about them and the average Joe.  

He tells striking UAW workers to blame China and stop being so greedy. But business fraud for the billionaire class is business as usual.

MAGA

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Fascism is a right-wing ideology. 

So? Calling Trump a fascist is pretty Fockin childish. Calling Biden a corrupt old fool is accurate. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,045]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Fascism is a right-wing ideology. 

then why is the left being Fascist

 

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Wow-summary judgment.  

So, if I have this right, Trump is supposed to have inflated the value of assets to obtain loans which are now paid off?  Is NYS or local governments refunding the inflated ad valorem taxes paid on real properties with these inflated values? 

[weepaws 3,006]

The Biden’s and the Trumps all in the same cell.  That’s what should happen. 

[Casual Observer 597]

17 minutes ago, MDC said:

He tells striking UAW workers to blame China and stop being so greedy. But business fraud for the billionaire class is business as usual.

MAGA

Tell me the consequences of this fraud, ghey blade.  You consistently support the party of illegal immigrant invasion, while pretending to care about the working class.  Stick to ghey Podcasts.

[thegeneral 2,490]

I can’t believe he was scamming!!

[RogerDodger 797]

6 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

So, if I have this right, Trump is supposed to have inflated the value of assets to obtain loans which are now paid off?  Is NYS or local governments refunding the inflated ad valorem taxes paid on real properties with these inflated values? 

Right. And the judge cited the value of Mar-a-largo at the county assessor's property rate of 18M when the clubs revenue alone exceeds that value every year.  You dont even need a calculator to see how stupid that is.  But the sheeple keep eating it up.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,410]

28 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Fascism is a right-wing ideology. 

Communism/ Marxism/ socialism is all far left. Your side of the aisle has embraced all of those.

What's your point?

[IGotWorms 4,023]

So what are the repercussions of this ruling? They have to pay a fine or something?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

So what are the repercussions of this ruling? They have to pay a fine or something?

Honchos gherkin moved. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

55 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So? Calling Trump a fascist is pretty Fockin childish. Calling Biden a corrupt old fool is accurate. 

Biden is old, but calling him corrupt without any real investigations going on, much less 91 felony charges, is premature and wishful thinking. 

Where are the charges?

MAGAturds are trying to cobble together a flimsy impeachment hearing instead of figuring out how to avoid a government shutdown.

[MDC 6,754]

38 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Tell me the consequences of this fraud, ghey blade. 

This guy handing out homework assignments.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden is old, but calling him corrupt without any real investigations going on, much less 91 felony charges, is premature and wishful thinking. 

Where are the charges?

MAGAturds are trying to cobble together a flimsy impeachment hearing instead of figuring out how to avoid a government shutdown.

China gave Biden and his leech Son money. Biden disbanded the FBI China task force. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

30 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Communism/ Marxism/ socialism is all far left. Your side of the aisle has embraced all of those.

What's your point?

Communism, Marxism and socialism are indeed on the left side of the spectrum, where you will not find me. I don't even come close to sharing these beliefs.

My issue is the far right trying to pin fascism and Nazis on the far left, which is ignorant. 

You'd actually have a leg to stand on in this discussion if I were trying to pin communism, Marxism and socialism on the far right because I don't like them on the left, which would be ignorant. 

Communism, Marxism and socialism are bad.

Fascism and Nazis are bad.

Can you not agree with this?

I'm a fan of bipartisanship and getting stuff done to benefit the American people, not grandstanding and digging in politically to advance an extremist ideology.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

40 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Communism, Marxism and socialism are indeed on the left side of the spectrum, where you will not find me. I don't even come close to sharing these beliefs.

My issue is the far right trying to pin fascism and Nazis on the far left, which is ignorant. 

You'd actually have a leg to stand on in this discussion if I were trying to pin communism, Marxism and socialism on the far right because I don't like them on the left, which would be ignorant. 

Communism, Marxism and socialism are bad.

Fascism and Nazis are bad.

Can you not agree with this?

I'm a fan of bipartisanship and getting stuff done to benefit the American people, not grandstanding and digging in politically to advance an extremist ideology.

 

Explain what Trump did that was extreme. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Explain what Trump did that was extreme. 

Point out in that post where I referred to Trump.

As for labeling him a fascist, I've repeatedly listed the indicators of that and that his approach is frighteningly similar to Hitler's. 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

52 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden is old, but calling him corrupt without any real investigations going on, much less 91 felony charges, is premature and wishful thinking. 

Where are the charges?

MAGAturds are trying to cobble together a flimsy impeachment hearing instead of figuring out how to avoid a government shutdown.

Has anyone really tried going after Biden as hard as Trump? I can’t stand Trump but it’s very obvious that there is an extreme bias against him when it comes to this.   Other politicians have gotten away with crap forever but Trump has taken the brunt of it.

I think Trump deserves it but I think they all deserve it. 

[cmh6476 918]

2 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

The American public is exhausted. By the end of the 2024 general cycle, that means Trump will have been politically persecuted in the national daily media cycle, almost non stop for about a decade. From a professional media optics standpoint, that length of venom is staggering. 

I'd say -

85 percent of what is levied against Trump is partisan hackery and attempting to incite low information voters who lean for Team Blue

15 percent is where Trump does and says some completely idiotic and corrupt things that should put him in the jackpot legally. 

The J6 Hearings completely crashed and burned from a ratings standpoint. The DNC and Team Blue needed a massive audience, much in the vein of Trump vs Clinton in their last debate, to make an appreciable difference for 2024. Instead they lost out to reruns of Young Sheldon. Even if Trump is caught in areas where he's clearly guilty and where he clear has no defense, it all looks like a hatchet job. The documents case is indefensible from a legal standpoint. But it's surrounded by many paper thin cases elsewhere so idiots like Tish James and Alvin Bragg can engage their "brand" into a national conversation. 

There's a saturation point for everything in professional politics. OK, "Orange Man Bad" is here. Everyone gets it. I won't defend EVERY charge against Trump, because some issues have real legal merit. But it's drowned out by the endless hatchet work that's just partisan theater. The DNC has turned Trump into a caricature. No one is shocked when Cartman from South Park says something over the top and offensive. Some people laugh. Some will shrug their shoulders and move on. 

I'm NOT defending Trump in a blanket manner. I am saying, for the 2024 election, you can't keep crying wolf and keep saying "We finally got him" and never deliver. Want proof of that? Look at the abortion issue. Obama had an opportunity to codify Roe into federal law, said so in public, then lied to everyone right in their faces. Eventually you have to deliver. And as much as people despise Trump, he helped to deliver one of the largest wins for Pro Life in recorded human history. 

Trump is an imbecile and a grifter. But he's not always wrong. And he's not always guilty. That so many activist radical leftists can't make that distinction on this forum is actually pathetic. "But Trump" will backfire, even IN THE INSTANCES WHERE IT'S LEGITIMATE, if you pair it with the non stop attack on the American working class. The larger story here is that people felt less pain at the gas pump, the grocery store and their kids weren't locked down under Trump and the GOP. The opposite is true with Biden and Blue strongholds. 

The DNC turned Donald J Trump into Cartman. So people just are too tired to care anymore. When you hose them endlessly for food, gasoline and housing, they give up. Why would anyone elect "Cartman"? Because Cartman looks actually desirable to many compared to the stumbling human houseplant that is current Joe Biden. 

Trump is guilty. OK, many independents, moderates and undecideds will say "So What? Is This New?" 

You'll say that's not fair. And it's not fair. But you can't saturate people for A DECADE and not deliver. 

Without reading this, it feels like you took quite a bit of time to thoughtfully and eloquently state your point.   Cliff notes?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Point out in that post where I referred to Trump.

As for labeling him a fascist, I've repeatedly listed the indicators of that and that his approach is frighteningly similar to Hitler's. 

Indicators. Please. Like what? Letting people out of prison? Tax cuts? Secure border? Radical stuff indeed 

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Has anyone really tried going after Biden as hard as Trump? I can’t stand Trump but it’s very obvious that there is an extreme bias against him when it comes to this.   Other politicians have gotten away with crap forever but Trump has taken the brunt of it.

I think Trump deserves it but I think they all deserve it. 

Let's take a look at this one case. He and his bunch inflated assets to banks and insurers, and it went on for a decade. This is fraud, plain and simple. They overvalued assets to the tune of hundreds of millions. 

Trump is in serious danger of facing a whopping fine and the crippling of his ability to conduct business in his home of New York City.

This is some serious stuff right there, something that lacks the squishiness of whatever President Biden is being accused of, whatever that is.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

2 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

The DNC has turned Trump into a caricature.

Trump turned himself into a caricature a long time ago.  He has no one to blame but himself for that. 

[Patented Phil 1,268]

A fart in the wind…