New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn’t call anyone nuts.  It’s all laid out here, no edits. Everything I talked about here was from articles available to everyone. Nothing made up. 

You said you didn't know, denied saying it, then HT showed the post where you said it.  Then you said he had issues.  That's essentially calling someone nuts.  He doesn't have issues; you have issues.  Now you're here saying "I didn't make it up".  No one accused you of making things up in the first place.  Come back when you're not on the rag.  Your thought processes may be a bit clearer.

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

17 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

You said you didn't know, denied saying it, then HT showed the post where you said it.  Then you said he had issues.  That's essentially calling someone nuts.  He doesn't have issues; you have issues.  Now you're here saying "I didn't make it up".  No one accused you of making things up in the first place.  Come back when you're not on the rag.  Your thought processes may be a bit clearer.

For those who didn’t read everything, these are my quotes on the value of Mar A Lago. I’m pretty sure all the comments you’re mentioning now came after these quotes. 

 “I don't know.  I do know that a professional assessor valued it far less than what Trump valued it at for some reason.”

“I'm sure it's worth much more than $18 million.  I don't know where the judge came up with the number.”

“If Trump actually said this as a disclaimer then I think he basically admitted that it was overvalued.”

“The Judge's valuation of $18m is pure BS.  It's more realistically valued at $300m or a little more.  Eric Trump says it's worth well over a billion, seems a bit much.  Trump valued it at $612m which is about double of what it's most likely worth.”

[thegeneral 2,490]

Which Geek is this

[Pimpadeaux 2,403]

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[RLLD 3,928]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

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[IGotWorms 4,024]

12 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Which Geek is this

drobeski is alive and well

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

I do Find Trump liable for snuffing the libtards out of their holes and showing everyone who they really are. 

[lickin_starfish 1,784]

https://patriots.win/p/17r9fwEcJl

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

Here are some more details on the Mar A Lago valuation

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-disputed-26m-mar-a-lago-valuation-as-too-high-in-2020

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Here are some more details on the Mar A Lago valuation

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-disputed-26m-mar-a-lago-valuation-as-too-high-in-2020

You should be embarrassed posting that link you might as well post something from DailyKos. 

[RLLD 3,928]

If I were involved in real estate right now, I would be pretty nervous.....

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

15 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You should be embarrassed posting that link you might as well post something from DailyKos. 

Calm your tlts , fruitcake.

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If I were involved in real estate right now, I would be pretty nervous.....

All the ones multiply the sq. footage of their properties by 3X should be worried.

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If I were involved in real estate right now, I would be pretty nervous.....

This is where we are at in this country. Activist leftist DA’s and judges interfering in our federal system. I told you before this won’t stop with Trump. This is the playbook for every Republican.

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Calm your tlts , fruitcake.

You’re better than this.

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

34 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Here are some more details on the Mar A Lago valuation

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-disputed-26m-mar-a-lago-valuation-as-too-high-in-2020

Will be ignored.

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

You’re better than this.

I'm just having fun with ya.  I don't see a problem with the link though.  Is the information false?  If so, I will delete it.

[RLLD 3,928]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

All the ones multiply the sq. footage of their properties by 3X should be worried.

Oh yeah, and they do much worse of course, and its happening across the board everywhere so.....those fockos should be pretty worried right now

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm just having fun with ya.  I don't see a problem with the link though.  Is the information false?  If so, I will delete it.

I don’t care if you call me fruitcakes. I think you believe this judgement is complete horsesh!t and judicial misconduct.

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

I don’t care if you call me fruitcakes. I think you believe this judgement is complete horsesh!t and judicial misconduct.

All I did was pass along the information.

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh yeah, and they do much worse of course, and its happening across the board everywhere so.....those fockos should be pretty worried right now

You live in a very very cynical & dark world. 

[RLLD 3,928]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

You live in a very very cynical & dark world. 

Not exactly.  During the 90's and early 2000's I was immersed into the area.....and let me tell you, banks.....real estate agents....sellers....all of them are actively overstating the value of real estate, across the board and emphatically....its part and parcel of the market....

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

Trail starts soon on the remaining issues.

Former President Donald Trump has arrived at a New York City court today for the first day of the civil fraud trial against him, his eldest sons, their companies and Trump Organization executives.

Last week, a state Supreme Court judge found Trump and his co-defendants liable for fraud for grossly inflating asset valuations on financial statements, a finding that could spell the end of Trump’s business career in his former home state. The trial will determine the amount of damages owed.

The former president, his adult children, and his closest business advisers are listed as potential witnesses.

Increased security has been put in place ahead of the trial, the New York State Unified Court System said. The proceedings are expected to last through December.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

He was clean as a whistle until he won. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,411]

I'm all for prosecuting political rivals for "reasons".  Can't wait until the pendulum swings towards the right once again.

I'm sure all of our lefty brethren will be perfectly fine with it too.  amiright?

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He was clean as a whistle until he won. 

Was he though?

[GutterBoy 2,897]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Was he though?

Of course not.  Any educated adult knows this.

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From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald John Trump Sr. and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.[1] He has also been accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault,[2][3] with one accusation resulting in Trump being held civilly liable.[4]

In 2015, his lawyer Alan Garten called this "a natural part of doing business" in the United States.[5][6] While litigation is indeed common in the real estate industry,[5] Trump has been involved in more legal cases than his fellow magnates Edward J. DeBartolo Jr., Donald Bren, Stephen M. Ross, Sam Zell, and Larry Silverstein combined.[7]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

The judge in the case has already ruled on one of the claims – persistent and repeated fraud – finding Trump, his adult sons, their businesses and executives liable for fraud. 

Engoron will now decide on the six other claims:

• Falsifying business records
• Conspiracy to falsify business records
• Issuing false financial statements
• Conspiracy to falsify false financial statements
• Insurance fraud
• Conspiracy to commit insurance fraud

The trial was expected to take up to three months but it will likely be shorter now that the fraud claim has already been settled.

[shadrap 164]

19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The judge in the case has already ruled on one of the claims – persistent and repeated fraud – finding Trump, his adult sons, their businesses and executives liable for fraud. 

Engoron will now decide on the six other claims:

• Falsifying business records
• Conspiracy to falsify business records
• Issuing false financial statements
• Conspiracy to falsify false financial statements
• Insurance fraud
• Conspiracy to commit insurance fraud

The trial was expected to take up to three months but it will likely be shorter now that the fraud claim has already been settled.

Banks do not blindly take a borrower's appraisal value on assets.   They do their own due diligence.  so I get a loan based on the value of my house & I say it's worth 10 million dollars & they just give me a loan on my word.  that is not the way it works at all.  Banks are required to do their own due diligence, plain & simple.  Also in any appraisal provided by the borrower ALWAYS contains words to the effect of no liability is assumed with said proposed appraisal by the borrower.  this is a 100% prosecution based on politics.  this is the kind of crap that should not happen to anyone.

[KSB2424 3,100]

No person, company, bank, financial institution brought up these charges or claims.  They were brought up by the District Attorney who ran her campaign on the premise to “Get Trump”.

Normally, at least in America, a crime is committed or a person / company is defrauded and sued and then the Justice system figures out guilt or innocence.  In this case there was no “victim”. The DA had her eyes laser focused on a citizen and was going to “find” a crime.  That is backwards and should concern all Americans.  

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

12 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

No person, company, bank, financial institution brought up these charges or claims.  They were brought up by the District Attorney who ran her campaign on the premise to “Get Trump”.

Normally, at least in America, a crime is committed or a person / company is defrauded and sued and then the Justice system figures out guilt or innocence.  In this case there was no “victim”. The DA had her eyes laser focused on a citizen and was going to “find” a crime.  That is backwards and should concern all Americans.  

Ah yes the famous "No caught me committing crimes, so it's not illegal" defense. 

Let's see how well that works out for him. 

[Mike Honcho 4,729]

24 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Banks do not blindly take a borrower's appraisal value on assets.   They do their own due diligence.  so I get a loan based on the value of my house & I say it's worth 10 million dollars & they just give me a loan on my word.  that is not the way it works at all.  Banks are required to do their own due diligence, plain & simple.  Also in any appraisal provided by the borrower ALWAYS contains words to the effect of no liability is assumed with said proposed appraisal by the borrower.  this is a 100% prosecution based on politics.  this is the kind of crap that should not happen to anyone.

And yet the judge already ruled that argument invalid when making his judgement. So until I hear otherwise(his ruling overruled on appeal), I'm going to side with the judge on his interpretation of the law over the armchair lawyers at the GC. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[MDC 6,754]

3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

 

Interesting take from a guy who has journalists murdered and rigs elections. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

As I mentioned earlier I’m not happy with this particular trial. I’m not going to defend Trump- it looks like he did what he’s being accused of and it’s against the law. But unless the state is willing to go after all of the big time developers who pull this sort of nonsense (and as I previously mentioned, I believe the practice of overvaluing properties is prevalent in the industry) then this does strike me as a selective prosecution. And that’s unfair, even to Mr. Trump. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Interesting take from a guy who has journalists murdered and rigs elections. 

And it’s also interesting that @JustinCharge, while claiming to be a thoughtful independent conservative, is rather indistinguishable from a propagandist for Putin 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

I'd like to see them go after all politicians.  We need to start over and get quality people in those posistions.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,411]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And it’s also interesting that @JustinCharge, while claiming to be a thoughtful independent conservative, is rather indistinguishable from a propagandist for Putin 

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,431]

This judge will probably be victim #1 of The MAGA Revenge Tour 2025.  

[shadrap 164]

48 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

And yet the judge already ruled that argument invalid when making his judgement. So until I hear otherwise(his ruling overruled on appeal), I'm going to side with the judge on his interpretation of the law over the armchair lawyers at the GC. 

that is fine.  regardless of the obviously biased judge, prosecutor & I assume the subsequent guilty verdict this will get tossed on appeal.  I'm not an attorney but have dealt with them, banks & real estate for many years.  you know the old saying.  I can prosecute a ham sandwich & this is exactly what is happening.  I also assume that the prosecutor knows it won't survive an appeal, but she ran on getting Trump so you got that.

I won't speak for the other prosecutions but this one does not pass the smell test & will be a legal massive fail.