Democrats winning elections

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Oh boy are you wrong on the money issue. Beshear out spent Cameron by 18 million. Maybe most ever for a republican in Kentucky, but way behind the democrat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/07/kentucky-governor-election-results-2023/%23:~:text%3DElection%202023,-Carousel%20%2D%20%24Election%202023%26text%3DThe%20Kentucky%20governor's%20race%20drew,far%20behind%20Beshear's%20in%20fundraising.&ved=2ahUKEwjRxPa31rSCAxU5tokEHWPwCmAQFnoECAwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3Q_W_CKgE9utqkOTsTbVMt

 

When you include PACs, republicans spent almost as much.
 

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Cameron has that edge in outside committee money because he has something Beshear lacks: Billionaires willing to give very big.

Four outside groups funded by billionaire Republican mega-donors Jeff Yass, of Pennsylvania, and Richard Uihlein, of Illinois, have reported spending $9 million on advertising attacking Beshear and promoting Cameron since mid-summer.

When outside committee spending is added to campaign fundraising, the Beshear side has about $35 million compared to about $30 million for the Cameron side.

 

https://kentuckylantern.com/2023/11/03/whos-paying-for-all-those-campaign-ads/

[Hardcore troubadour 14,653]

Good night for republicans in NY. Suffolk county is now red.  I guess Israel was on the ballot. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,653]

When Trump seizes power again, he needs to move some of these federal agencies out into the rest of the country. He can start with moving the department of education to Minneapolis.  Let them live with the Somalis and root for the Vikings. Then Virginia won’t be so blue. 

[Fireballer 2,634]

Too add some context, I dug into Virginia’s results and see that, between the house and senate, only 3 seats truly “flipped”.  Two went Dems way, and one went Rs way.  All other new Dem seats are in newly drawn districts.

[Engorgeous George 1,977]

In my little neck of the woods the local elections swung republican for elective office and progressive/leftist ballot questions were roundly defeated.  I make no sweeping presumptions or generalizations from the results.  My red city and county turned purple and nearly blue over the last two decades and this pushback may be an outlier.   As they say it takes at least three datxa points to establish a pattern and this one election is simply the first data point.  

[crackattack 520]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah they laid it out all right. “Kentuckians always vote for Democrats for governor” struck me as a little lazy and unconvincing, but that’s just me. They kind of forgot to mention just how much money Republicans spent on this particular election- the most ever for the state. 

It's not lazy to state facts. Kentucky loves them some split government. They factually almost always vote for a Democratic governor while voting republican on almost everything else. It's been this way for decades. 

Beshear and democrats out spent Republicans also. I just don't get what's so hard to grasp here.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,653]

Kentucky is racist 

[thegeneral 2,749]

4 minutes ago, crackattack said:

It's not lazy to state facts. Kentucky loves them some split government. They factually almost always vote for a Democratic governor while voting republican on almost everything else. It's been this way for decades. 

Beshear and democrats out spent Republicans also. I just don't get what's so hard to grasp here.

It had been all blue Govs up til turn of this century. It’s been 50/50 since then.

 

[crackattack 520]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

Why am I not surprised...

They're trying to make this something it's not.

1. Big name recognition.

2. Extremely popular governor.

3. History of voting for Democratic      governors.

4. Out spent their opponent.

Their only argument is abortion and Trump. If that was the case they should've won SOS and AG. Those other 2 were blowouts.

[crackattack 520]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

When you include PACs, republicans spent almost as much.
 

https://kentuckylantern.com/2023/11/03/whos-paying-for-all-those-campaign-ads/

Democrats spent 48 million on this race to Republicans 30. It wasn't close money wise.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,617]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What's your excuse for the Ohio abortion vote?  Or the VA legislature?

Pro-life was yugely outspent by out of state abortion peddlers.  Including Soros money 

https://19thnews.org/2023/11/ohio-issue-1-voter-turnout-spending-outcome-abortion-measure/

[crackattack 520]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It had been all blue Govs up til turn of this century. It’s been 50/50 since then.

 

3 Republican governors since WW2, but I see how you made it sound more competitive. Well done

[thegeneral 2,749]

3 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Democrats spent 48 million on this race to Republicans 30. It wasn't close money wise.

The article posted said this:

“When outside committee spending is added to campaign fundraising, the Beshear side has about $35 million compared to about $30 million for the Cameron side.”

Was there other spending it didn’t include?

[thegeneral 2,749]

2 minutes ago, crackattack said:

3 Republican governors since WW2, but I see how you made it sound more competitive. Well done

Do you think talking about elections in 1952 have as much relevance as ones in the past 20 years?

It is interesting to point out that KY has had such a run on Dem Govs. But it is also important that this trend has been changing. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,700]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Do you think talking about elections in 1952 have as much relevance as ones in the past 20 years?

Only if you're trying to mislead and fool people do you cherry pick like you just did.  I can't even give you an "A" for effort.  Very weak.

[crackattack 520]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Do you think talking about elections in 1952 have as much relevance as ones in the past 20 years?

The money spent was in my link. Total was 48 million to 30. I believe history is an important part of elections. Yes. 20 years in an arbitrary span to use. If 20 why not 30, 40, 50. You stopped at 20 to fit the narrative you wanted to use.

[thegeneral 2,749]

10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Only if you're trying to mislead and fool people do you cherry pick like you just did.  I can't even give you an "A" for effort.  Very weak.

I think to point out that they have had 20 straight Dem govs without context but that past 4 elections have been split is not misleading. The opposite really.

I don’t really know that this means for national politics though. Beshear seems pretty talented. 

What I do think is relevant is the other guy was running in part on the election was rigged BS and strong anti-abortion views and he was soundly defeated. 

[thegeneral 2,749]

2 minutes ago, crackattack said:

The money spent was in my link. Total was 48 million to 30. I believe history is an important part of elections. Yes. 20 years in an arbitrary span to use. If 20 why not 30, 40, 50. You stopped at 20 to fit the narrative you wanted to use.

I didn’t see your link, the one you responded to didn’t have those figures. I’m sure how it is defined is coming into play. In any case Beshear did spend more.

As to looking at recent trends. The recent past is far more relevant than looking back into the 1990s or earlier don’t you think? 

[The Real timschochet 5,956]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I didn’t see your link, the one you responded to didn’t have those figures. I’m sure how it is defined is coming into play. In any case Beshear did spend more.

As to looking at recent trends. The recent past is far more relevant than looking back into the 1990s or earlier don’t you think? 

It’s especially disingenuous in this case because Kentucky, like most states that supported segregation, was strongly Democrat until all of the racists moved to the Republican Party in the 70s and 80s. 

[Reality 3,070]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s especially disingenuous in this case because Kentucky, like most states that supported segregation, was strongly Democrat until all of the racists moved to the Republican Party in the 70s and 80s. 

Jesus.

[crackattack 520]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I didn’t see your link, the one you responded to didn’t have those figures. I’m sure how it is defined is coming into play. In any case Beshear did spend more.

As to looking at recent trends. The recent past is far more relevant than looking back into the 1990s or earlier don’t you think? 

Sure, if you want to just use 20 years, that's fine. I'm not. Since 1990 there have been 2......2 one term republican governors. But sure just do 2000. Since 2000 the democrats held that office 15, soon to be 19, years to Republicans 8. Still think its 50/50?

[The Real timschochet 5,956]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Jesus.

Just speaking truth to power baby. 

[HellToupee 1,460]

Big night for infanticide, I guess 

[thegeneral 2,749]

14 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Sure, if you want to just use 20 years, that's fine. I'm not. Since 1990 there have been 2......2 one term republican governors. But sure just do 2000. Since 2000 the democrats held that office 15, soon to be 19, years to Republicans 8. Still think its 50/50?

That is much more relevant than pointing out they held the office from 1920-1990

Anyways. I don’t know how relevant this is nationally but certainly isn’t a good thing either if you are team red tie, more specifically MAGA. Another Trump pick loses. Beshear won easily. 

More broadly it was a better night for Dems than Republicans for what that is worth. We’ll see what this means going forward. 

Abortion issue on particular is a big loser for Republicans. They are out of touch on this issue. 

[thegeneral 2,749]

16 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Big night for infanticide, I guess 

It seems that women don’t like old dudes on message boards dictating their choices.

Weird!

[crackattack 520]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That is much more relevant than pointing out they held the office from 1920-1990

Anyways. I don’t know how relevant this is nationally but certainly isn’t a good thing either if you are team red tie, more specifically MAGA. Another Trump pick loses. Beshear won easily. 

More broadly it was a better night for Dems than Republicans for what that is worth. We’ll see what this means going forward. 

Abortion issue on particular is a big loser for Republicans. They are out of touch on this issue. 

I still think it's relevant that Republicans have only held that office 12 years out of the last 73 years. Abortion is a big problem for Republicans. I said that when USSC overturned Roe. Abortion rights are winning everywhere it's put to the voters. Even in red states. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,700]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s especially disingenuous in this case because Kentucky, like most states that supported segregation, was strongly Democrat until all of the racists moved to the Republican Party in the 70s and 80s. 

"I'm going to pretend that the Party I support and vote for - who has been racist for all of it's history - isn't racist and I'll just make something up out of thin air and blame it on the party I don't like.  Maybe I can fool enough people with this.  I know it worked on me!".

- The Real timschochet

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,700]

8 minutes ago, crackattack said:

I still think it's relevant that Republicans have only held that office 12 years out of the last 73 years. Abortion is a big problem for Republicans. I said that when USSC overturned Roe. Abortion rights are winning everywhere it's put to the voters. Even in red states. 

Heck, we've even got a few of those abortions that post here too (GutterPedo, Worms, Pimpadouche, BeachGal, etc...).

[thegeneral 2,749]

10 minutes ago, crackattack said:

I still think it's relevant that Republicans have only held that office 12 years out of the last 73 years. Abortion is a big problem for Republicans. I said that when USSC overturned Roe. Abortion rights are winning everywhere it's put to the voters. Even in red states. 

The context of this whole discussion is how important last night was to today’s political climate. It seems it was a much better night for Dems.

Doesn’t really matter to next year but does provides trends to look at and political dorks stuff to talk about

[IGotWorms 4,057]

The Kentucky governor thing is not a big deal.

Big deal is the strength of the abortion issue, as demonstrated in Ohio, and to a lesser extent, the Virginia house flipping Dem in repudiation of Republican governance (or, rather, lack thereof).

[crackattack 520]

18 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The context of this whole discussion is how important last night was to today’s political climate. It seems it was a much better night for Dems.

Doesn’t really matter to next year but does provides trends to look at and political dorks stuff to talk about

Was it a "much" better night though? Dems lost 2 out of 3 in kentucky. Picked up a handful to flip the Virginia house and held the senate in Virginia. Abortion won in Ohio, but that's not just a democratic position. Most Republicans believe abortion should be legal to an extent. So when the option is should abortion rights be protected yes or no. Most people regardless of party are going to say yes. You're seeing it in very red states. Those aren't just democrats voting yes. I'd  venture to say most Republicans, except the staunch pro lifers, would compromise with a 15 week ban with exception to rape, incest, etc etc. 

So I'm not so sure it's this big night some think it was. Maybe it was, I don't focking know

[crackattack 520]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The Kentucky governor thing is not a big deal.

Big deal is the strength of the abortion issue, as demonstrated in Ohio, and to a lesser extent, the Virginia house flipping Dem in repudiation of Republican governance (or, rather, lack thereof).

This is kinda how I see it. Pretty close at least.

[thegeneral 2,749]

4 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Was it a "much" better night though? Dems lost 2 out of 3 in kentucky. Picked up a handful to flip the Virginia house and held the senate in Virginia. Abortion won in Ohio, but that's not just a democratic position. Most Republicans believe abortion should be legal to an extent. So when the option is should abortion rights be protected yes or no. Most people regardless of party are going to say yes. You're seeing it in very red states. Those aren't just democrats voting yes. I'd  venture to say most Republicans, except the staunch pro lifers, would compromise with a 15 week ban with exception to rape, incest, etc etc. 

So I'm not so sure it's this big night some think it was. Maybe it was, I don't focking know

I mean no one knows, and it could change tomorrow if we did

 

[League Champion 1,895]

 

[League Champion 1,895]

They just never learn

 

 

[Engorgeous George 1,977]

I am going to have to google petroleum plant shepherd texas.  What does it process, precisely, and how much of the supply chain depends on that plant?

[Engorgeous George 1,977]

Seems this plant fire will have no  effect on the price of gasoline.  Still, looks like a bit of a mess for the regions air.

[HellToupee 1,460]

Massachusetts actually picked up a Republican state senator race yesterday to up its total to 4 out of 40 seats 

[League Champion 1,895]

11 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Massachusetts actually picked up a Republican state senator race yesterday to up its total to 4 out of 40 seats 

Boston is a Liberal Violent Toilet, run by Democrats. Are you shocked? 

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

The only real thing you can take from the past two election cycles this year is that- MAGA politics only work with Trump really. The further down the ballot you go the less people care about it....and really Trump's hold is loosening.