Dynasty: Malik Nabers is better than Marvin Harrison Jr

[defectivesupport 8]

There is also a small chance he is vying for a slightly lower pick to get onto an org he likes more instead of teams like the cardinals. 

[Ray_T 718]

2 hours ago, defectivesupport said:

There is also a small chance he is vying for a slightly lower pick to get onto an org he likes more instead of teams like the cardinals. 

well, I wouldnt wanna play for the cards.   I feel like that org is a train wreck.

so I could see that being the case.    Though the cat may already be out of the bag (so to speak)    I doubt hes going outside of the top 8 or 10 picks and he could very well be top 5.

If the Cards have decided on him already I dont see them changing their mind.

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

 

If the Cards have decided on him already I dont see them changing their mind

Yup, it's a WR or they trade out. They aren't drafting a QB. Murray's extension hasn't even kicked in yet

[nobody 2,461]

Reminder as draft season approaches - Nabers is better than Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Ray_T 718]

28 minutes ago, nobody said:

Reminder as draft season approaches - Nabers is better than Marvin Harrison Jr.

honestly the scout reports I've seen make me like Nabers in most aspects, but that catch radius and route running favours Harrison for being an early producer.

His catch radius is soooo impressive.  the one play he was running ball thrown behind him and he bent his body, reached back with one hand and brought in the ball.   surprised the hell out of the DB who thought he had an easy INT.   and the most impressive part is Harrison didnt even need to slow down. he turned it upfield right away.  Most impressive thing I've ever seen.

I will say Nabers due to his speed seems to gain better separation.  but if the ball is behind him he cant do what Harrison did on that play.

so if you have a pin point passer, Nabers is likely the preferred guy.  if you have a QB whose accuracy is lacking some, Harrison will actually make up for that with his catch radius and ability to adjust to the ball.

I do think Harrison is a nice match with Kyler Murray.   and I am expecting good things from him in his rookie year.

Nabers is tougher to figure.   Danny dimes had a reputation of putting the ball where it needs to be (thus the nickname dimes)   but as a pro he hasnt been that good.   part of this is due to an inferior line for sure.  hard to be accurate when you have to throw early with a person in your face.  but if they can find a way to protect him long enough Nabers could do well here.   Thing is... if New York Bails on Danny Dimes then we are looking at breaking in a new rookie QB and that hinders Nabers long term. (if you are picking for dynasty)

so  if I had to bet on a rookie season I'm betting on Harrison.   but I assure you both WR are likely gonna have long and productive careers.

[weepaws 3,005]

Harrison is in a much much better situation.  But in my14 team non ppr,  I would take both after I load up at rb.  

[jrokh 596]

For what it's worth (probably not that much), Nabers has been absolutely killing it in training camp. The connection with DJ has been solid, but during the 2 practice sessions against the Detroit Lions,, the reporters basically said they couldn't cover him. I'd much rather Nabers at his ADP #59 FFC, then Harrison at his #35...

[weepaws 3,005]

#35 for Harrison would be a bargain, I’m seeing his adp at 16-20 overall, and wr 9-11.  

I am seeing Nabers at #53 overall, and wr #25.   I think both fit those two players. 

[Ray_T 718]

2 hours ago, jrokh said:

For what it's worth (probably not that much), Nabers has been absolutely killing it in training camp. The connection with DJ has been solid, but during the 2 practice sessions against the Detroit Lions,, the reporters basically said they couldn't cover him. I'd much rather Nabers at his ADP #59 FFC, then Harrison at his #35...

yes.  agreed there.  at the far lower ADP its easier to justify Nabers at 59 than Harrison at 35.  though I've seen Harrison going a lot sooner than that in some drafts

[nobody 2,461]

Marvin is sorry

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

Jesus Christ y'all, it's week 1. 

Holler when it's week 10 

[nobody 2,461]

6 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Jesus Christ y'all, it's week 1. 

Holler when it's week 10 

Check out this article.

https://arizonasports.com/story/3557494/marvin-harrison-jr-nonfactor-bills/

So the coach says the Bills were trying to take Marvin away.  I guess first of all, good receivers don't get taken away, but then Kyler Murray says they weren't taking him away anyway.

And then Kyler, ever the leader every team wants, says, "it's not my job" to get him the ball but only follow the OC's play call.  So the Bills weren't taking Marvin away according to Kyler.   But rather the OC just didn't call any plays to get Marvin open.

Imagine a QB not only throwing the OC under the bus, but also saying it's not his job to get his supposedly star receiver the ball.  These guys are going to be a clusterfock.  

[nobody 2,461]

I wonder why the lions didn't take away Cooper Kupp after Nukua went out.  Or Jax take away Tyreek.

I guess they didn't think of it.

[weepaws 3,005]

Murray is still their Qb, cluster indeed. 

[Ray_T 718]

On 8/9/2024 at 3:25 PM, jrokh said:

For what it's worth (probably not that much), Nabers has been absolutely killing it in training camp. The connection with DJ has been solid, but during the 2 practice sessions against the Detroit Lions,, the reporters basically said they couldn't cover him. I'd much rather Nabers at his ADP #59 FFC, then Harrison at his #35...

agreed.    the price people were paying for Harrison was absolutely crazy.

to spend that high a pick on a rookie is risky at best.   I'd have to be awfully sure about him to draft him there.    I still think he will have a good rookie season but it may not be quite at the level people are thinking.     he will still have his good weeks.    but remember he was against the Bills.    a pretty good defense overall.   and if they put the #1 cover guy on him thats an adjustment.   

 

[JagFan 128]

I can settle this for yall.  Brian Thomas Jr is better than both of them.

[nobody 2,461]

I'm fascinated by this MHJ thing and Murray's comments.  It made me look into the Cardinals OC, Drew Petzing.  

Dude was the Browns tightends coach and then QB coach from 2020 - 2022, and before that a wide receiver coach with the Vikings.  Why does this dude have an OC job?

[weepaws 3,005]

2 hours ago, JagFan said:

I can settle this for yall.  Brian Thomas Jr is better than both of them.

Great ADP, was able to draft him on my ppr team, but I didn’t on my non.  He’s a good one.  

[JagFan 128]

16 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Great ADP, was able to draft him on my ppr team, but I didn’t on my non.  He’s a good one.  

He is still a little raw, and will be limited by Trevor’s inconsistency so it’ll probably be an up and down year.  But the kid is talented.  I’m not sure if he’ll be better than those two over a career, but I do think this will be a really fun WR class to watch.

[weepaws 3,005]

Oh I’m sure it won’t be smooth for Thomas, but I’m happy with what happen Sunday, he’s my wr5, he was a darn good value.  

[weepaws 3,005]

Both of them came up big today.  

[Showboat 246]

On 9/9/2024 at 1:35 PM, nobody said:

I'm fascinated by this MHJ thing and Murray's comments.  It made me look into the Cardinals OC, Drew Petzing.  

Dude was the Browns tightends coach and then QB coach from 2020 - 2022, and before that a wide receiver coach with the Vikings.  Why does this dude have an OC job?

He's got photographic evidence?

[Gepetto 1,192]

I drafted them both in my one league, auction draft.

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

MHJ will be just fine.

I still believe nabers is the most talented in this draft class. The issue for Nabers right now is he is playing with the lesser of the 2 QB, the lesser offensive line, the lesser RB to keep defenses honest, and the lesser secondary weapons in the pass game.  MHJ gets McBride, michael Wilson, Dortch.   Nabers gets... no one note worthy right now. 

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Watched first 2 weeks of games for both Nabers and MHJ.   There's a difference in style.  Nabers is damn explosive but no where near as refine as MHJ as a WR.  Both will be elite.

[nobody 2,461]

Harrison has 10 catches on 23 targets.  (43%)

Meanwhile Nabers has 23 catches on 37 targets (62%)

So the guy with the worse QB, worse offense, worse team, and is supposedly not as good is catching 62% of his targets and the best prospect since Megatron is only catching 43%.

And I don't know if people have been watching the games, but what's with the drops?  Passes are hitting him in the hands and he can't come down with them.

[nobody 2,461]

Harrison doesn't even get hurt right.  At least when Nabers picked up his concussion he did it towards the end of the game.

[jbycho 203]

Why do people judge rookies as being better than other rookies early in their first year playing in the NFL? It makes no sense. 

 

[nobody 2,461]

I judged Nabers better before they were even drafted.  

[jbycho 203]

And some people judged Steve Young to have no future in the NFL when he was in Tampa. 

Nabers is an NFL injury waiting to happen. Just like the great Kadarius Toney.  

[gcmmidwest 146]

8 hours ago, jbycho said:

And some people judged Steve Young to have no future in the NFL when he was in Tampa. 

Nabers is an NFL injury waiting to happen. Just like the great Kadarius Toney.  

Whatcha talken bout willis

[nobody 2,461]

The thing I noticed now is all the pundits are making excuses for Harrison now which is odd because the narrative after the draft was Malik was in a horrible situation and Harrison was in a great situation.  Now the narrative is that defenses are scheming Harrison out and he needs time to get on the same page as Kyler.

Meanwhile, Malik is dominating.  

[jbycho 203]

Zero catches is now a "dominating" stat. 

[nobody 2,461]

Nabers has 35 catches for 386 yards and 3 TDs on 52 targets.

Harrison has 17 catches for 279 yards and 4 TDs on 37 targets.

Oh, and Malik started 2 less games.

That's domination.  Harrison only catches 46% of his targets, but hey "experts" claimed he was generational talent pre draft because "he just is" and we'd be crazy to think he's not the number 1 receiver in the draft.

[nobody 2,461]

He hurt himself dropping a pass, too. If he just catches it, he wouldn't have had to try and double catch it falling down awkwardly.

Hurts himself dropping a pass that hit him in the hands and then face.

So generational!  

 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

Nabers & Thomas both from LSU, just like Jefferson & Chase. Problem is instead of playing with Cousins/KOC & Burrows they’re stuck with NYG/Jones & Jax/Lawrence.

[HTH 83]

I'm a Giants fan and Nabers is the real deal!!

I don't expect DJ to be around much longer.

HTH

[nobody 2,461]

I think it's safe to call this one.

Generational talent is a jag.  

Pundits don't know a damn thing and most of them just went along with the story and don't even know what good wide receiver play looks like.  

[weepaws 3,005]

On 9/9/2024 at 12:43 PM, JagFan said:

He is still a little raw, and will be limited by Trevor’s inconsistency so it’ll probably be an up and down year.  But the kid is talented.  I’m not sure if he’ll be better than those two over a career, but I do think this will be a really fun WR class to watch.

Yes sir.  

On 9/9/2024 at 1:40 PM, weepaws said:

Oh I’m sure it won’t be smooth for Thomas, but I’m happy with what happen Sunday, he’s my wr5, he was a darn good value.