This economy is so bad

[Horseman 1,987]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

None of that provided evidence. 

Here is where you are- you have said Trump bears no blame for inflation despite me showing you lots of links that show he bares some responsibility even if it is not the majority of it. You said one of the most important things of being a President is admitting mistakes and when pressed on what mistakes Trump has owned up to you hemmed and hawed and then said "Well when the media asks him about them...." which undercuts your years of saying the media is out to get Trump.

You've looked like a fool repeatedly on this forum in the past month. And now you add this nonsense in. I have no problem with you wanting to continually play the fool act. But just know it means no one takes you seriously at this point then. 

You might get the metal helmet vote from TimHauctua and possibly thegeneral.  But nobody else takes you seriously.  

[RLLD 3,928]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

None of that provided evidence. 

Here is where you are- you have said Trump bears no blame for inflation despite me showing you lots of links that show he bares some responsibility even if it is not the majority of it. You said one of the most important things of being a President is admitting mistakes and when pressed on what mistakes Trump has owned up to you hemmed and hawed and then said "Well when the media asks him about them...." which undercuts your years of saying the media is out to get Trump.

You've looked like a fool repeatedly on this forum in the past month. And now you add this nonsense in. I have no problem with you wanting to continually play the fool act. But just know it means no one takes you seriously at this point then. 

Luckily, I don't have to provide evidence or prove anything.  The voters are doing that for me.  And had the Biden/Harris folks not gaslit the people, and instead stepped up to their mistakes they would likely win the election.  It was their narcissism that led them to avoid accountability for what they did.

In order for your opinion of me to matter, I would have to value that opinion. But from what you write here it is abundantly clear that you are rather stupid, it would be of no use to suggest that your positions are anything more than the trite nonsense of a child; hence your inability to think past them, and discuss the topic forthrightly.

So by all means, continue to tout that which serves your internal itch, trot out the government false numbers.....later then they are revised downward as they always are, we can highlight how easily you are manipulated.

[TimHauck 2,449]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You might get the metal helmet vote from TimHauctua and possibly thegeneral.  But nobody else takes you seriously.  

@RLLD thinking the current economy is the worst of the lower classes’s lifetime is way worse than the metal helmet comment

[Horseman 1,987]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

@RLLD thinking the current economy is the worst of the lower classes’s lifetime is way worse than the metal helmet comment

 TimHauctua 

 

[RLLD 3,928]

I think your posing the most important question, and really the only question that actually matters.

On the one hand we could assert that simply going back to his policies would fine, they were working well in the past.  But lets not forget that Trump picked up where Obama left off in terms of economic progress.  Back then helping the economy was not nearly as hard as this time will be.

We have to note that the damage done by these mothefocking retards for the last four years is going to require a significantly more challenging set of policies.  This is another ball of wax entirely.

As I did then, when I highlighted the generous of the Trump policies, I will emphasize now......hand outs are never the answer, and building from the bottom up is key.   Sure employment is great, if people are not being hammered by inflation..... but fixing what Biden has done, man, this wont be easy.....he royally focked things up.....

So fighting inflation will be job A, tariffs are widely assailed as inflationary, but in reality and in practice they are not, in fact they can help alot.  So I think pushing those tariffs is key.....the Chinese et al already know Trump will do that sh!t, and to avoid it they will take the threat seriously and negotiate, and we will get a more beneficial arrangement.  So I think  it will likely be true that the tariffs will stay mostly unchanged, as the Biden folks left them as well.....

Opening up the energy market will help everything, literally everything, get cheaper.  In fact, as soon as he opens up all those leases the Biden retards blocked, the market will start pricing that in right away, so that will help too

[RLLD 3,928]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@RLLD thinking the current economy is the worst of the lower classes’s lifetime is way worse than the metal helmet comment

Hey, denial is fine, it does not hurt my interests, it helps them. I am grateful for the gaslighting of the people, it is a prominent factor swinging the election back toward normal people. Its lke, I win when you are refuse to deal with the problem.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

17 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I get people "feel" like the economy is bad... but then my next question is, what exactly is Trump gonna do to fix their "feelings"?  Maybe they just want an excuse to vote for Trump even if they don't like him as a person per se (but they do want to vote for him).

Everything will magically go back to pre-COVID. 

That's the belief. Which again- if we are talking perception and reality....the reality is some of the things that COVID let out of the bottle- outside of political stuff- isn't going to easily go back into the bottle. 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Everything will magically go back to pre-COVID. 

That's the belief. Which again- if we are talking perception and reality....the reality is some of the things that COVID let out of the bottle- outside of political stuff- isn't going to easily go back into the bottle. 

People voting for Trump "feel" like things were better back then.  They weren't.  But if he wins, they'll get what they voted for. Daily Chaos and Lies.  And pretty much the same economy we have now.

[TimHauck 2,449]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It does say what I am asserting,

 

The title does, but the video doesn’t.  Did you even watch it?

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

1.) Luckily, I don't have to provide evidence or prove anything.  The voters are doing that for me.  And had the Biden/Harris folks not gaslit the people, and instead stepped up to their mistakes they would likely win the election.  It was their narcissism that led them to avoid accountability for what they did.

In order for your opinion of me to matter, I would have to value that opinion. But from what you write here it is abundantly clear that you are rather stupid, it would be of no use to suggest that your positions are anything more than the trite nonsense of a child; hence your inability to think past them, and discuss the topic forthrightly.

So by all means, continue to tout that which serves your internal itch, trot out the government false numbers.....later then they are revised downward as they always are, we can highlight how easily you are manipulated.

1.) How convenient

2.) But the mistakes that only one side has to own up to. The other side does not have too. Got it. 

3.) I didn't tout government numbers.

4.) The only child here is the one who makes assertions, gets asked to show evidence of them, and then backpedals like crazy. Maybe one day you will choose to actually show some of the evidence you purport to be showing. 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, RLLD said:

I think your posing the most important question, and really the only question that actually matters.

On the one hand we could assert that simply going back to his policies would fine, they were working well in the past.  But lets not forget that Trump picked up where Obama left off in terms of economic progress.  Back then helping the economy was not nearly as hard as this time will be.

We have to note that the damage done by these mothefocking retards for the last four years is going to require a significantly more challenging set of policies.  This is another ball of wax entirely.

As I did then, when I highlighted the generous of the Trump policies, I will emphasize now......hand outs are never the answer, and building from the bottom up is key.   Sure employment is great, if people are not being hammered by inflation..... but fixing what Biden has done, man, this wont be easy.....he royally focked things up.....

So fighting inflation will be job A, tariffs are widely assailed as inflationary, but in reality and in practice they are not, in fact they can help alot.  So I think pushing those tariffs is key.....the Chinese et al already know Trump will do that sh!t, and to avoid it they will take the threat seriously and negotiate, and we will get a more beneficial arrangement.  So I think  it will likely be true that the tariffs will stay mostly unchanged, as the Biden folks left them as well.....

Opening up the energy market will help everything, literally everything, get cheaper.  In fact, as soon as he opens up all those leases the Biden retards blocked, the market will start pricing that in right away, so that will help too

I don't agree with all of this, but thank you for your response.  If he wins I hope you are right.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

People voting for Trump "feel" like things were better back then.  They weren't.  But if he wins, they'll get what they voted for. Daily Chaos and Lies.  And pretty much the same economy we have now.

And here's the thing for me: I would totally be on board with someone arguing: "Yes these people are voting with their feels and not what reality is....: or "The perception is stronger than the reality right now...." because there is an honesty in that and it is something that any campaign would be hard pressed to overcome. Also, too it gets at a fundamental tenet of human nature that we are often guided by our short term thinking than the overall picture.

But that isn't the case RLLD is making. 

[RLLD 3,928]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The title does, but the video doesn’t.  Did you even watch it?

I did watch it, and that professor repeated my position more than once, now I get it, you do not want.....think....this is true.   Its a fine place to be, its not correct, but you have every right to think it.   The only thing that really matters is that people feel it, and are voting based on it, and that means its possible to make it better.  And I think we can both agree that is a good thing.

[TimHauck 2,449]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I did watch it, and that professor repeated my position more than once, now I get it, you do not want.....think....this is true.

Timestamp please.  He did not.

[RLLD 3,928]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

1.) How convenient

2.) But the mistakes that only one side has to own up to. The other side does not have too. Got it. 

3.) I didn't tout government numbers.

4.) The only child here is the one who makes assertions, gets asked to show evidence of them, and then backpedals like crazy. Maybe one day you will choose to actually show some of the evidence you purport to be showing. 

It is convenient, and more importantly, it is gratifying. Because this is all feeding the likely victory for Trump.  This is one of those scenarios where lying to yourself feels good, but the outcome is not what you want.  Moreover, Biden and later Harris did me and those in my way of thinking a huge favor by denying it, well harris does not deny it, she effectively admits it by NOT asserting people are better of today, and avoiding the question.

[RLLD 3,928]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Timestamp please.  He did not.

Watch it again, it starts at :45 and then concludes at 16:15

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is convenient, and more importantly, it is gratifying. Because this is all feeding the likely victory for Trump.  This is one of those scenarios where lying to yourself feels good, but the outcome is not what you want.  Moreover, Biden and later Harris did me and those in my way of thinking a huge favor by denying it, well harris does not deny it, she effectively admits it by NOT asserting people are better of today, and avoiding the question.

I don't have a horse in the Presidential race. I've said a number of times here I think Trump is going to win. I've also said I understand why. My individual happiness is not tied to a race between people I don't know and do not really care about. 

But none of that changes that you are just saying things that you know are not rooted in the reality of what is happening. It is rooted in what people perceive- which is people voting their feelings. And we know how much you abhor voting with the feelings....well until Republicans do it I suppose. 

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't have a horse in the Presidential race. I've said a number of times here I think Trump is going to win. I've also said I understand why. My individual happiness is not tied to a race between people I don't know and do not really care about. 

But none of that changes that you are just saying things that you know are not rooted in the reality of what is happening. It is rooted in what people perceive- which is people voting their feelings. And we know how much you abhor voting with the feelings....well until Republicans do it I suppose. 

Thats fine, you can ignore the reasoning at your leisure, but I like the reasoning.  I think there is merit in understanding the people and their needs and desires. And I will say that I am absolutely confident, no doubts at all, that everyone essentially wants the same things.....

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Thats fine, you can ignore the reasoning at your leisure, but I like the reasoning.  I think there is merit in understanding the people and their needs and desires. And I will say that I am absolutely confident, no doubts at all, that everyone essentially wants the same things.....

Why do you keep saying I'm ignoring things? Is that your coping on this? 

I've said I get what people are doing and why....it doesn't mean they are right in their overall thinking. 

[TimHauck 2,449]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Watch it again, it starts at :45 and then concludes at 16:15

so your position is that the economy is worse than before Covid.  I agree.

[RLLD 3,928]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Why do you keep saying I'm ignoring things? Is that your coping on this? 

I've said I get what people are doing and why....it doesn't mean they are right in their overall thinking. 

I keep saying it because by asserting they are wrong about their plight you effectively ignore it.  This was the tactic of the Biden administration, for months and months insisting these people were wrong.  One can then conclude they are either inept or they are depicable humans.  Because one can only determine that their either know and understand ecnomics and the plight of people, and are misusing economic measures on purpose, or they lac even a modest understanding of economics.  Which is why in that video at about 8:20 I think it was the professor calls this very point out....

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

so your position is that the economy is worse than before Covid.  I agree.

I stand with the professors linking of consumer surveys at I think around 8:20 where he highlights people asserting its the worst of their lifetime.  Now, in order to really understand that survey we need to know the ages, because if its mostly younger then of course they say that.....where you would object is if they are mostly older, because you think those older people cannot make that statement.  

It could also be true that these people are the same ones saying racism is worse today than in the 19050's which is of course one of the dumbest things ever asserted, so people certainly can "feel" things that are just stupid, and those people will vote based on it.

[Horseman 1,987]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't have a horse in the Presidential race. I've said a number of times here I think Trump is going to win. I've also said I understand why. My individual happiness is not tied to a race between people I don't know and do not really care about. 

Being poor and ignorant is a special kind of bliss. 

[purdygood 306]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Being poor and ignorant is a special kind of bliss. 

Says every Trump voter.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

The IMF (International Monetary Fund) said this today: 

Quote

“It looks like the global battle against inflation has largely been won, even if price pressures persist in some countries. In most countries, inflation is now hovering close to central bank targets… The decline in inflation without a global recession is a major achievement,” the fund added, cautioning, however, that “vigilance remains key.”

It thinks global inflation will fall to 5.8% by the end of the year and 3.5% by the end of next year. 

The real problem will be now how does the global economy grow. If inflation continues to cool- and reaches projections- there are things that could stunt global growth and that would still pose concerns for a global recession of some kind. 

[League Champion 1,790]

 

 

[Cdub100 3,689]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

 

 

Kamala says it's those greedy grocery stores.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

150 Dennys to close 

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

Oh no....a tenth of the stores of a restaurant chain are closing because people are not eating greasy 1500 calorie meals at 3am as much anymore... how will we ever survive? Where will HT now eat his 4pm dinner?

 

more seriously though- we always see the doom scrolling stories of places closing. We ignore that lots of restaurant/fast food chains saw growth:

Shake Shack

Tropical Smoothie Cafe

Raising Cane's

Wendy's

McDonalds

Chipotle

Freddy's

Jersey Mike's

Jack in the Box

Del Taco

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah when you have nothing to add you turn to emojis. Witty comeback. Maybe go search for those posts and try again later. 

[RLLD 3,928]

15 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Kamala says it's those greedy grocery stores.

Democrat is President?   "Corporates Greed"

Republican is President "Bad Policy"

[Cdub100 3,689]

Things happen slowly than all at once. I think we hit our peak and we will see lower highs and lower lows. Than eventually a crash 

[TimHauck 2,449]

On 10/14/2024 at 4:22 PM, HellToupee said:

Weird thing around here is that they are building a lot of 7-11 gas stations 

Over 500 actually

https://www.cspdailynews.com/company-news/7-eleven-plans-open-500-new-stores-2025-through-2027

[Strike 4,814]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/key-swing-states-lines-food-banks-are-growing-longer-rcna175377

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

It looks like we hit the soft landing where we see easing inflation without a recession. Inflation is pretty close to the Federal Reserve target of 2% and the GDP grew 2.8% in the 3rd quarter. 

[thegeneral 2,496]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It looks like we hit the soft landing where we see easing inflation without a recession. Inflation is pretty close to the Federal Reserve target of 2% and the GDP grew 2.8% in the 3rd quarter. 

Better economic growth than 2019 when we had The Greatest Economy in the History of the World!1

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Better economic growth than 2019 when we had The Greatest Economy in the History of the World!1

I think we've established here that the economy is better off than what people think. As I've said numerous times when I've shared polling thoughts on the economy and actual data about the economy- the perception of people is different than the reality of the situation....but people are willing to vote on their perceptions and apparently that's okay now to vote on the FEELZ!

So be it. 

[Baker Boy 1,647]

On 10/21/2024 at 8:27 AM, purdygood said:

People voting for Trump "feel" like things were better back then.  They weren't.  But if he wins, they'll get what they voted for. Daily Chaos and Lies.  And pretty much the same economy we have now.

I remember it as peace and prosperity.
 

We are currently funding the largest war in Europe since World War II and both sides of the Israel/Palestinian conflict. We have turned over our border security to the Mexican drug cartel. We used half of our national petroleum reserves to fight inflation. These are just a few things that bother me about the DNC.

[supermike80 1,600]

19 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

I remember it as peace and prosperity.
 

We are currently funding the largest war in Europe since World War II and both sides of the Israel/Palestinian conflict. We have turned over our border security to the Mexican drug cartel. We used half of our national petroleum reserves to fight inflation. These are just a few things that bother me about the DNC.

The only "daily chaos" I can recall was from the media.   To create ratings.   That was the reason for tat