Big year for QBs in the draft

[WhiteWonder 2,631]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

thats where I stopped, this would be 12 seasons no?  Maybe 11

either way my point remains you have a 25-33% success rate of hitting the top QB

 

2012 draft to 2023 draft is 11 seasons.  I had to look up the year Luck was drafted but was pretty sure it wasn't over 12 years ago. Was closer than I remembered. 

 

[seafoam1 2,691]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I was listening to a fantasy football pod a few weeks ago that was speculating on where Fields could go and they floated the idea of Seattle. 

Yeah. That, Pitt, and Atlanta all floated out there. Probably will end up being something crazy like Tampa or SF or whoever. Poles never shows his cards.

[listen2me 23 1,799]

Lamar has 1 completion % (rookie year) that is lower than Fields best.  

Lamar isnt a great passer.  But Fields can't pass.  

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no....hes black

Fields has a great arm too btw

Same path?  What games are you watching?  He has a good arm.  Jamarcus Russell had a better one.  

1 is sbout to win his 2nd mvp already with an astounding win loss record.  

Fields best winning season was this year.  He went 5-8.  

I know I know.....if Fields was on Baltimore hed have 2 MVPs.   Fields can do no wrong.  Hes talented.   He just still cant read a defense and thats everyone elses problem.  The Darnolds of the world don't get a pass for crappy coaching.  Hell no one else does to the degree Fields does.   

Bryce Young's coach is fired after like 10 games.  They have one of the least talented offenses.   And he sucks (he very well may).  And no excuses.  After 1 year.  

Fields is like teflon.  

[WhiteWonder 2,631]

I look at Fields similarly to how I look at Zach Wilson, as a Jets fan. I never wanted them to draft him in the first place but i found myself defending him a lot this year for how he handled the whole situation and the maturity that he showed.  Guy has a very good arm and enough mobility that you look for in todays QBs. His issue was partly maturity and partly being able to get through his progressions, which is not always easy behind a terrible offensive line. He can't run like Fields but is a better pocket passer, imo. 

I hope he goes somewhere and gets a chance as well. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,174]

 

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Lamar has 1 completion % (rookie year) that is lower than Fields best.  

Lamar isnt a great passer.  But Fields can't pass.  

Same path?  What games are you watching?  He has a good arm.  Jamarcus Russell had a better one.  

1 is sbout to win his 2nd mvp already with an astounding win loss record.  

Fields best winning season was this year.  He went 5-8.  

I know I know.....if Fields was on Baltimore hed have 2 MVPs.   Fields can do no wrong.  Hes talented.   He just still cant read a defense and thats everyone elses problem.  The Darnolds of the world don't get a pass for crappy coaching.  Hell no one else does to the degree Fields does.   

Bryce Young's coach is fired after like 10 games.  They have one of the least talented offenses.   And he sucks (he very well may).  And no excuses.  After 1 year.  

Fields is like teflon.  

I have no problem with you criticizing Fields, I think he deserves a fair shot with a decent coach/line

Lamar has had one of the best coaches in the last decade his entire career

 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I have no problem with you criticizing Fields, I think he deserves a fair shot with a decent coach/line

Lamar has had one of the best coaches in the last decade his entire career

 

I think he can improve with a better franchise.  Just up to this point he has shown next to nothing as a passer.  He semi rolls 1 ankle and hes obsolete.   

[listen2me 23 1,799]

Fields has 40 tds passes and 14 rushing tds.  

He has 30 ints and 38 fumbles.  

He throws for like 160 yards a game and everyone is playing him with soft coverage spying him.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Then why are you counting nfc championship?  

Lol.  You make no sense.  

Because you want to boast about GB for some stupid reason. Get over it. They are middling at best. Just because the Bears suck (although arrow pointing up) it doesn't mean the packers are doing anything special.

It's funny, every time I bring up the Bears, the packer fans jump in to boast about how their team fails better. "We failed with a better record than you. Take that!"

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Because you want to boast about GB for some stupid reason. Get over it. They are middling at best. Just because the Bears suck (although arrow pointing up) it doesn't mean the packers are doing anything special.

It's funny, every time I bring up the Bears, the packer fans jump in to boast about how their team fails better. "We failed with a better record than you. Take that!"

You just said anything other than SBs doesn't matter.   

You seem confused.  

1985 called.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fields has 40 tds passes and 14 rushing tds.  

He has 30 ints and 38 fumbles.  

He throws for like 160 yards a game and everyone is playing him with soft coverage spying him.  

Shane Waldron did a pretty decent job with Geno Smith. 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Shane Waldron did a pretty decent job with Geno Smith. 

Geno regressed this year.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

You just said anything other than SBs doesn't matter.   

You seem confused.  

1985 called.  

What about 1985? 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

What about 1985? 

Last and only time Bears won it.  

Sad

[seafoam1 2,691]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Last and only time Bears won it.  

Sad

Really? Are still trying to boast about winning 1 conference championship in like 25 years? hYou north of the Illinois border rednecks are focked in the brain. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,654]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Last and only time Bears won it.  

Sad

Tell us about the ice bowl. Where did you watch it? Did you have fun that day? 

[seafoam1 2,691]

11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Geno regressed this year.  

Oh no!!! QBs have up and down years. Crazy. 

Maholmes was like QB 10 this year.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

I like Maye, hope the Pats can get him and would trade up if necessary (probably will be)

[seafoam1 2,691]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tell us about the ice bowl. Where did you watch it? Did you have fun that day? 

All I wanted to do was start a football thread on the draft. But because I'm a Bears fan the packer fans want to boast about their ONE glorious SB win back whenever that was. 

Makes me like the Giants' fans more. And that hurts me to say.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Fields is just not very good. He’s had time, and he’s got some decent talent around him. He’s just not that good.

And is it really a surprise? When he was drafted teams thought the only QB worse than him was Mac focking Jones. And that guy is an absolute dog 

[seafoam1 2,691]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Fields is just not very good. He’s had time, and he’s got some decent talent around him. He’s just not that good.

And is it really a surprise? When he was drafted teams thought the only QB worse than him was Mac focking Jones. And that guy is an absolute dog 

Not a great year for QBs overall. In fact, it sucked. 

Fields may be the best of the group. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Maybe. I follow the team daily and no one has a clue. I actually can say I trust Poles to do the right thing. Whatever the fock it is. 

It's hard to screw up. Just take the highest rated QB on the board. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It's hard to screw up. Just take the highest rated QB on the board. 

Rated by who though? I watched like 4 games this season of Williams. He was a mess. I'm no QB evaluater, but it also seems that people who've been in the NFL and RATING these QBs for years aren't either. It's a crapshoot. Trade back and take Bowers and Nix. If that fails then they won't be alone. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

He was a mess. 

Mahomes was a mess in College. 

You're fine with Fields? If so why? 

[seafoam1 2,691]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Mahomes was a mess in College. 

You're fine with Fields? If so why? 

I gave up on emotions about the Bears QB questions. I'll be a fan of Fields wherever he is, Bears or otherwise, but I just think Fields is a bit slow in the head on processing defenses. If Waldron can fix him, I'm all in. But all I can do is hope the Bears trade that 1st pick for a haul and draft a QB after that. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I gave up on emotions about the Bears QB questions. I'll be a fan of Fields wherever he is, Bears or otherwise, but I just think Fields is a bit slow in the head on processing defenses. If Waldron can fix him, I'm all in. But all I can do is hope the Bears trade that 1st pick for a haul and draft a QB after that. 

 

Do you you find it odd that The Bears, as an organization haven't come out and endorsed Fields? 

[seafoam1 2,691]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you you find it odd that The Bears, as an organization haven't come out and endorsed Fields? 

They have endorsed Fields. Very much so. Just not in the last few months. Why would they show show their cards before the draft?

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

They have endorsed Fields. Very much so. Just not in the last few months. Why would they show show their cards before the draft?

They have the #1 pick? What cards? They don't have cards until they announce Fields is staying. 

If Fields was their QB they'd say "Justin Fields is our guy, we are not drafting a QB". 

I guarantee you The Bears are drafting a QB at 1. It's painfully obvious. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They have the #1 pick? What cards? They don't have cards until they announce Fields is staying. 

If Fields was their QB they'd say "Justin Fields is our guy, we are not drafting a QB". 

I guarantee you The Bears are drafting a QB at 1. It's painfully obvious. 

Trading Fields or keeping him. Telling nothing is better than telling things. 

And yeah they may draft a qb at one, but all of a sudden a year after the last draft, everyone on the internet was 100% sure of Stroud.

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tell us about the ice bowl. Where did you watch it? Did you have fun that day? 

Doesnt make any sense.   Pass.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

39 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

 

 

 

That's the exact scouting report they put on Mahomes. 

Weaknesses:

• Gunslinger who can be reckless with the football
• Has some mechanical issues to fix
• Throws too many passes back across the field
• Can sail deep balls too far
• Will need to learn working under center
• Will have to work on footwork with making drops from under center
• Will need to learn working a NFL huddle
• Will need to improve footwork
• Needs development for a pro-style offense
• College offense ran lot of plays he won’t run in the NFL
• Needs to take more check downs
• Needs to work on staying in and being comfortable in the pocket
• https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017pmahomes.php

[seafoam1 2,691]

26 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That's the exact scouting report they put on Mahomes. 

Weaknesses:

• Gunslinger who can be reckless with the football
• Has some mechanical issues to fix
• Throws too many passes back across the field
• Can sail deep balls too far
• Will need to learn working under center
• Will have to work on footwork with making drops from under center
• Will need to learn working a NFL huddle
• Will need to improve footwork
• Needs development for a pro-style offense
• College offense ran lot of plays he won’t run in the NFL
• Needs to take more check downs
• Needs to work on staying in and being comfortable in the pocket
• https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017pmahomes.php

Probably same report they put on a lot of failed QBs over the years as well. 

It's a crapshoot. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

Caleb Williams draft profile:

 

Current Draft Projection and Summary

Williams is an immensely gifted playmaker. He’ll enter the NFL as one of the premier arm talents and creators at quarterback on Day 1. His ability to devastate the will of defenses after evading pressure is reminiscent of peak Josh Allen, and his arm elasticity is in the same realm.

Unlike Allen, though, Williams consistently makes good decisions with the ball and avoids turnover-worthy plays. Williams lacks Allen’s immense size and ability to shed would-be tacklers similarly, but the two thrive in chaos in ways we’ve rarely seen.

Williams’ highlight reel is almost unbelievable due to the sheer volume of times he evaded defenders and ripped off a perfectly placed pass to a receiver. He didn’t play with All-American level receivers, and his offensive line often had a hand in Williams’ best and worst moments. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

12 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Caleb Williams draft profile:

 

Current Draft Projection and Summary

Williams is an immensely gifted playmaker. He’ll enter the NFL as one of the premier arm talents and creators at quarterback on Day 1. His ability to devastate the will of defenses after evading pressure is reminiscent of peak Josh Allen, and his arm elasticity is in the same realm.

Unlike Allen, though, Williams consistently makes good decisions with the ball and avoids turnover-worthy plays. Williams lacks Allen’s immense size and ability to shed would-be tacklers similarly, but the two thrive in chaos in ways we’ve rarely seen.

Williams’ highlight reel is almost unbelievable due to the sheer volume of times he evaded defenders and ripped off a perfectly placed pass to a receiver. He didn’t play with All-American level receivers, and his offensive line often had a hand in Williams’ best and worst moments. 

Yeah. Now do the not so positive reviews. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah. Now do the not so positive reviews. 

 

Get used to it Chicago, because that's your next QB 

[seafoam1 2,691]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Get used to it Chicago, because that's your next QB 

Maybe.  

There are a lot of Chicago fans that want the guy here. And a lot that don't. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Maybe.  

There are a lot of Chicago fans that want the guy here. And a lot that don't. 

 

Trade back, grab Marvin Harrison Jr, trade Fields, then trade back up for Daniels? I couldn't blame them in that scenario. 

But only if they love Daniels. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Trade back, grab Marvin Harrison Jr, trade Fields, then trade back up for Daniels? I couldn't blame them in that scenario. 

But only if they love Daniels. 

I don't try to predict draft moves anymore when it comes to QBs. Especially with Poles. 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't try to predict draft moves anymore when it comes to QBs. Especially with Poles. 

How about WRs?

[seafoam1 2,691]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

How about WRs?

My hope is TE. Bowers. But Odunze at 9.would be nice if he's there. But I hope they trade back from 1 and who knows where that would be if they did.

I honestly lean they draft a QB at 1 and then a DE or WR at 9 if both Fashanu and Alt are gone.