Big year for QBs in the draft

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

My hope is TE. Bowers. But Odunze at 9.would be nice if he's there. But I hope they trade back from 1 and who knows where that would be if they did.

I honestly lean they draft a QB at 1 and then a DE or WR at 9 if both Fashanu and Alt are gone. 

Assuming they have the cash they could draft a qb at 1.  Go a different premium position at 9 like tackle or dl.  Then throw money at a Higgins.  Im never on board with paying FAs at certain positions.   WR being one.  But if there was a time to go for it.  

Then you keep a steady flow of mid round WRs coming up through the pipeline going forward.  

[listen2me 23 1,799]

The idea of drafting a wr at 9 is good too.  I also like Odunze.  Hard to tell where the wrs will fall right now.  He has a shot of being there.  I love Nabers too.  Really high end WR class.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Assuming they have the cash they could draft a qb at 1.  Go a different premium position at 9 like tackle or dl.  Then throw money at a Higgins.  Im never on board with paying FAs at certain positions.   WR being one.  But if there was a time to go for it.  

Then you keep a steady flow of mid round WRs coming up through the pipeline going forward.  

Good strategy I think. Strong WR class even after the top 3. And Higgins would be a great get. 

It would be nice to see the NFC North as a group be a powerhouse division. It would fuel all the teams to be stronger.

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

20 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't try to predict draft moves anymore when it comes to QBs. Especially with Poles. 

I do agree that the only thing that could stop any team from drafting Williams at 1 are the questions regarding his mental health. That's going to come up a lot between now and the draft. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

I do agree that the only thing that could stop any team from drafting Williams at 1 are the questions regarding his mental health. That's going to come up a lot between now and the draft. 

Unfortunately as a Bears fan I have to relish the offseason as that's way more interesting than the regular season for me. So I'm sure I overthink a lot of things but I am a bit concerned about Williams mental stability. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The idea of drafting a wr at 9 is good too.  I also like Odunze.  Hard to tell where the wrs will fall right now.  He has a shot of being there.  I love Nabers too.  Really high end WR class.  

WR should be the least of their worries. They need a QB and serious help on the o-line. I think they can find a quality receiver in the mid rounds or trade up. 

• 1-1 (from Panthers)
• 1-9
• 3-75
• 4-TBA
• 4-TBA (from Eagles)
• 5-TBA

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

am a bit concerned about Williams mental stability. 

Understood. I imagine teams will run him through the gamut of mental health evaluation. He's very open regarding his struggles with mental health. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Understood. I imagine teams will run him through the gamut of mental health evaluation. He's very open regarding his struggles with mental health. 

Right. And his dad is no brain surgeon either. This should be interesting for a lot of teams this offseason. Not just the Bears.

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Right. And his dad is no brain surgeon either. This should be interesting for a lot of teams this offseason. Not just the Bears.

I wouldn't question his mental awareness on the field. Reading defenses and situational awareness is actually one of his strengths. I'd be more concern of a melt down if things fall apart. He's far from dumb like Fields is. 

That being said, I'd still draft him at 1. 

[Baker Boy 1,679]

19 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Because you want to boast about GB for some stupid reason. Get over it. They are middling at best. Just because the Bears suck (although arrow pointing up) it doesn't mean the packers are doing anything special.

It's funny, every time I bring up the Bears, the packer fans jump in to boast about how their team fails better. "We failed with a better record than you. Take that!"

The way I remember it the Packers have kicked the Bears butt my entire life. You guys are division rivals, he has every right to bust your balls. 

Currently the Packers have a 10 game winning streak against the Bears. 

[seafoam1 2,691]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

The way I remember it the Packers have kicked the Bears butt my entire life. You guys are division rivals, he has every right to bust your balls. 

Currently the Packers have a 10 game winning streak against the Bears. 

And lost all the same. Enjoy the game this weekend. Oh wait...neither team is playing.

 

[Gepetto 1,250]

nfl.com Bucky Brooks 2024 mock draft top 10

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0

1. Chicago Bears                            Caleb Williams QB USC

2. Washington Commanders        Drake Maye QB North Carolina

3. New England Patriots                Jayden Daniels QB LSU

4. Arizona Cardinals                        Marvin Harrison Jr WR Ohio State

5. Los Angeles Chargers                 Brock Bowers TE Georgia

6. New York Giants                           Rome Odunze WR Washington

7. Tennessee Titans                         Olumuyiwa Fashanu OT Penn State

8. Atlanta Falcons                             Dallas Turner Edge Alabama

9. Chicago Bears                               Laiatu Latu Edge UCLA

10.New York Jets                              Joe Alt OT Notre Dame

 

 

[Gepetto 1,250]

This is a good listen. I agree with this. Keep Fields and draft Marvin Harrison Jr. - that's what would make the Bears the best team they can be.

[Baker Boy 1,679]

9 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

And lost all the same. Enjoy the game this weekend. Oh wait...neither team is playing.

 

I remember the packers winning two Super Bowls, but the Bears were never close to winning a Super Bowl.

The Bears fans biggest embarrassment is that a little hicktown 150 miles north of Chicago has a history of kicking their butts.

 

Green Bay Packers Playoff History

Team Names: Green Bay Packers

Seasons: 103 (1921 to 2023)

Record (W-L-T): 799-598-38

Playoff Record: 37-26

Super Bowls Won: 4 (5 Appearances)

Championships Won*: 13

 

Chicago Bears Playoff History

Team Names: Decatur Staleys, Chicago Staleys, Chicago Bears

Seasons: 104 (1920 to 2023)

Record (W-L-T): 793-634-42

Playoff Record: 17-20

Super Bowls Won: 1 (2 Appearances)

Championships Won*: 9

[seafoam1 2,691]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I remember the packers winning two Super Bowls, but the Bears were never close to winning a Super Bowl.

The Bears fans biggest embarrassment is that a little hicktown 150 miles north of Chicago has a history of kicking their butts.

 

Green Bay Packers Playoff History

Team Names: Green Bay Packers

Seasons: 103 (1921 to 2023)

Record (W-L-T): 799-598-38

Playoff Record: 37-26

Super Bowls Won: 4 (5 Appearances)

Championships Won*: 13

 

Chicago Bears Playoff History

Team Names: Decatur Staleys, Chicago Staleys, Chicago Bears

Seasons: 104 (1920 to 2023)

Record (W-L-T): 793-634-42

Playoff Record: 17-20

Super Bowls Won: 1 (2 Appearances)

Championships Won*: 9

Who cares if they end up LOSING? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

40 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

nfl.com Bucky Brooks 2024 mock draft top 10

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0

1. Chicago Bears                            Caleb Williams QB USC

2. Washington Commanders        Drake Maye QB North Carolina

3. New England Patriots                Jayden Daniels QB LSU

4. Arizona Cardinals                        Marvin Harrison Jr WR Ohio State

5. Los Angeles Chargers                 Brock Bowers TE Georgia

6. New York Giants                           Rome Odunze WR Washington

7. Tennessee Titans                         Olumuyiwa Fashanu OT Penn State

8. Atlanta Falcons                             Dallas Turner Edge Alabama

9. Chicago Bears                               Laiatu Latu Edge UCLA

10.New York Jets                              Joe Alt OT Notre Dame

 

 

I think Daniels will be 1.02, especially after the combine. He's going to impress. 

[WhiteWonder 2,631]

22 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

No one thinks the Bears didn't get the better end of that deal with Carolina, based on Bryce Young's play. 

Would you take CJ Stroud or that trade?

and before you say QBs are a crapshoot, let's not gloss over the fact that talent evaluation comes into play. Do you think the Bears would have picked Bryce Young if they were not able to trade back?

bump..  he responds to every other post. glosses over this one

[WhiteWonder 2,631]

Also in the Lawrence vs. Fields debate or the "is Lawrence a franchise QB?" debate... I feel like Chicago's line rated out better than Jacksonvilles this season. Or at least it was pretty close. 

Bringing this up because I hear a lot how Fields doesn't have enough time so he has to take off and run / can't get through his progressions. Some of that may be true, but Lawrence wasn't exactly sitting behind the Philly o-line. 

When you watch Lawrence play, he shows all the traits you want in a franchise QB. Did he take a slight step back this season? sure... but what he has accomplished and shown through 3 season is light years ahead of Fields...  and it's not like he was drafted to the Steelers or somewhere where we can say "well look at the well run organization he went to!"

[WhiteWonder 2,631]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I think Daniels will be 1.02, especially after the combine. He's going to impress. 

that would really benefit the Patriots, if true. 

Also interesting that he doesn't have the top receiver in the draft going in the top 10

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

This is a good listen. I agree with this. Keep Fields and draft Marvin Harrison Jr. - that's what would make the Bears the best team they can be.

If you keep Fields why draft a WR high?  Hes a 1 read QB anyway.  

He was compared to Lamar by someone here earlier.  If so by a stretch of the imagination then why wouldn't they bolster the OL and run the ball?  Yet all I hear is well if he could only have 3 studs then hed be good!  He cant feed that many mouths.  Having weapons doesn't automatically make you able to see the field better.  

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1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Who cares if they end up LOSING? 

I mean you did care a ton that the Bears have made it to a conference championship.

[seafoam1 2,691]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you keep Fields why draft a WR high?  Hes a 1 read QB anyway.  

He was compared to Lamar by someone here earlier.  If so by a stretch of the imagination then why wouldn't they bolster the OL and run the ball?  Yet all I hear is well if he could only have 3 studs then hed be good!  He cant feed that many mouths.  Having weapons doesn't automatically make you able to see the field better.  

Bears' fans don't know what to think. They are finally getting a decent team put in place and and have a real GM handling things and they don't know how to deal with it.

Add in the fact that Fields is everything you want in a QB except he can't read the field. It sucks. He's seeminly a great guy, focused as hell, doesn't whine, his teammates all love him, yet...you know the rest. 

If Poles thinks Waldron can work wonders with him, I'm all in and would love the draft capital they would get for #1 and would love watching these rookie QBs going forward on other teams. Hopefully this can be a good draft class overall. 

Should be a fun offseason. 

 

[seafoam1 2,691]

21 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean you did care a ton that the Bears have made it to a conference championship.

Ok. I get your point. You get a couple extra games to cheer for before you lose. 

Your point is valid though.  Until you become Buffalo and losing 4 SBs. 

[Gepetto 1,250]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you keep Fields why draft a WR high?  Hes a 1 read QB anyway.  

He was compared to Lamar by someone here earlier.  If so by a stretch of the imagination then why wouldn't they bolster the OL and run the ball?  Yet all I hear is well if he could only have 3 studs then hed be good!  He cant feed that many mouths.  Having weapons doesn't automatically make you able to see the field better.  

Did you not see how many balls Darnell Mooney dropped or he just didn't get open enough or have a big enough catch radius?

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50 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Did you not see how many balls Darnell Mooney dropped or he just didn't get open enough or have a big enough catch radius?

Do you not think pretty much every team in the league has at least 1 WR that you could cherry pick crappy play?  Puca led thr league in drops.   Mooney by the site im looking at had 3.  I understand volume is different.  A guy like Toney probably had 3 in 1 game for the Chiefs.  

Not saying they can't use more weapons.   Obviously a 1st round WR would be an upgrade over Mooney.   But they have a 1 read running QB.  DJ Moore is a legit number 1.   Should Fields be passing it 38 times a game?   

But Fields is teflon.  They go get him Marvin Harrison Jr and then people would point to their mediocre OL play and say "well if he had a better line"!

If they were to keep Fields (doubtful) they should beef up their line and run the ball.  Not try to become and ariel attack out on Soilder Field with a running QB.  

[Gepetto 1,250]

51 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Do you not think pretty much every team in the league has at least 1 WR that you could cherry pick crappy play?  Puca led thr league in drops.   Mooney by the site im looking at had 3.  I understand volume is different.  A guy like Toney probably had 3 in 1 game for the Chiefs.  

Not saying they can't use more weapons.   Obviously a 1st round WR would be an upgrade over Mooney.   But they have a 1 read running QB.  DJ Moore is a legit number 1.   Should Fields be passing it 38 times a game?   

But Fields is teflon.  They go get him Marvin Harrison Jr and then people would point to their mediocre OL play and say "well if he had a better line"!

If they were to keep Fields (doubtful) they should beef up their line and run the ball.  Not try to become and ariel attack out on Soilder Field with a running QB.  

I guess it's mainly just that I believe MH Jr. is a can't miss elite future HOF player, and I think J FIelds can be as good or better than Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson.

Plus, the Bears could trade down one or two spots and get a haul for the #1 pick (like they did last year with Carolina who moved up to take Bryce Young). What if they take a QB #1 overall and he's a bust? They better be right if they draft a QB is all I'm saying. Also, a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields who could go on to be a starter for 10 years would not be wise.

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

46 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

They better be right if they draft a QB is all I'm saying. Also, a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields who could go on to be a starter for 10 years would not be wise.

I don't see it with Fields, he does nothing that makes me believe he's a franchise QB. 

And also take the financials into consideration. Fields is due for a huge contract, if he falters again this year, then what? They can't franchise him for 30 million+, why would they? Betting on Fields to somehow figure it out overnight would be nothing short of insanity. 

A rookie QB would be under franchise control at a minimum. If you factor everything in it's obvious that he's gone. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,435]

7 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I guess it's mainly just that I believe MH Jr. is a can't miss elite future HOF player, and I think J FIelds can be as good or better than Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson.

Plus, the Bears could trade down one or two spots and get a haul for the #1 pick (like they did last year with Carolina who moved up to take Bryce Young). What if they take a QB #1 overall and he's a bust? They better be right if they draft a QB is all I'm saying. Also, a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields who could go on to be a starter for 10 years would not be wise.

Yea he has that Larry Fitzgerald HOF from the get go baring no career ending injury.

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

4 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Plus, the Bears could trade down one or two spots and get a haul for the #1 pick (like they did last year with Carolina who moved up to take Bryce Young). What if they take a QB #1 overall and he's a bust? They better be right if they draft a QB is all I'm saying. Also, a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields who could go on to be a starter for 10 years would not be wise.

Call me crazy, most do but I think the Bears may even get a first round pick for Fields. There's so many teams that need a QB. I think some teams will be willing to take a shot. That's just my opinion. 

[Voltaire 5,081]

On 1/26/2024 at 9:31 AM, listen2me 23 said:

I saw a lot of people saying they should keep fields.  Tons.  

I would stick with Fields and get him help. That's not division rival trying to keep Chicago down talk. That's legitimately and sincerely what I think is best. I know the numbers aren't pretty but just seeing him out there, he looks the part. Fields beat the Lions once this year, he could have won both, and I was impressed with him when I saw him play. 

Chicago is already close to turning it around before these picks. The Lions are in the Conference Championship game. Green Bay is already there and also getting Rodgers off the books. When Cousins is healthy, Minnesota can beat anyone (see Vikings/49ers). This division is going to be brutal in 2024 and the NFC West and AFC South are both going to feel it.

[Voltaire 5,081]

On 1/26/2024 at 10:22 AM, Engorgeous George said:

Bill Schroeder was a 1000 yard reciever yet he was not really a weapon.  DJ Moore has always underperformed his promise, though he has some promise.  Kmet needs to be used more, along with Big Bob Tonyan.  That could maybe happen if the Bears had an o-line.

 

As a Packer fan I hope the Bears become impatient again and scrap their plan and move in a new direction with Williams.  I am glad the packers did not get impatient with Love who i defended from the start.

Oh, for years and years on end, guys like Bill Schroeder would always land on my fantasy roster. Each season, Favre had Antonio Freeman and some mystery flavor of the year opposite him. Guys shuffled in and out, nobody knew who would #2. I didn't either but I'd take candidate A in the 11th round, Candidate B in the 12th. Favre + scrub = solid WR3 plus his injury replacement all season long.

I did the same thing with Peyton Manning and the scrub of the year opposite Marvin Harrison in the years before Reggie Wayne showed up.

[listen2me 23 1,799]

14 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I think J FIelds can be as good or better than Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson.

Hmm.  So many people think Fields is good just waiting to show it.  Maybe I am the wrong one.  

As a Packers fan I have watched him a decent amount.  I see nothing that indicates this.  To me, he is a terrible passer.   I have seen zero evidence to say he will be good at passing thr football.  I don't understand what people are grasping onto.  

Agree to disagree at this point.   He will have to show me something...anything...to make me believe he has it.  He hasn't thus far.  

Sort of like Jay Cutler, I love seeing Fields as the opposing QB vs thr Packers.  I know its going to be a good day.  

[listen2me 23 1,799]

13 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't see it with Fields, he does nothing that makes me believe he's a franchise QB. 

And also take the financials into consideration. Fields is due for a huge contract, if he falters again this year, then what? They can't franchise him for 30 million+, why would they? Betting on Fields to somehow figure it out overnight would be nothing short of insanity. 

A rookie QB would be under franchise control at a minimum. If you factor everything in it's obvious that he's gone. 

To me, the love for Fields is honestly bizarre.    Its as if there is a hidden stash of games that I haven't seen. 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Call me crazy, most do but I think the Bears may even get a first round pick for Fields. There's so many teams that need a QB. I think some teams will be willing to take a shot. That's just my opinion. 

As I brought up in a different thread.  Annoyomous GMs said a 2nd at best.  Maybe a 3rd and 5th.  In that range.  Of like the 5 none mentioned a 1st.  

Teams are crazy though.

[Maximum Overkill 1,633]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

To me, the love for Fields is honestly bizarre.    Its as if there is a hidden stash of games that I haven't seen him play.   

And if he was their guy they would of made that very clear by now. All signs point to them moving on, I don't understand what others are seeing. 

[listen2me 23 1,799]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

I would stick with Fields and get him help. That's not division rival trying to keep Chicago down talk. That's legitimately and sincerely what I think is best. I know the numbers aren't pretty but just seeing him out there, he looks the part. Fields beat the Lions once this year, he could have won both, and I was impressed with him when I saw him play. 

Chicago is already close to turning it around before these picks. The Lions are in the Conference Championship game. Green Bay is already there and also getting Rodgers off the books. When Cousins is healthy, Minnesota can beat anyone (see Vikings/49ers). This division is going to be brutal in 2024 and the NFC West and AFC South are both going to feel it.

Another!  Lol.   Looks like im in the minority.   I must have seen different games than you guys.  He has shown absolutely nothing passing thr ball.  Nothing.  He has an arm.  Thats all hes shown.  

At this point I feel like this is the Twilight Zone.  What is up is down.  What is down is up.  

You guys make me question my sanity.    I need to see the games you guys have watched.   Because I apparently haven't seen the games you guys have seen.  

[Voltaire 5,081]

16 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Another!  Lol.   Looks like im in the minority.   I must have seen different games than you guys.  He has shown absolutely nothing passing thr ball.  Nothing.  He has an arm.  Thats all hes shown.  

At this point I feel like this is the Twilight Zone.  What is up is down.  What is down is up.  

You guys make me question my sanity.    I need to see the games you guys have watched.   Because I apparently haven't seen the games you guys have seen.  

Maybe Fields dsappears when he plays the Packers and they beat the holy hell out of the Bears. I can't say I tune in too closely.  I'm telling you, Fields give the Lions a run for their money.

[listen2me 23 1,799]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Maybe Fields dsappears when he plays the Packers and they beat the holy hell out of the Bears. I can't say I tune in too closely.  I'm telling you, Fields give the Lions a run for their money.

Im.not trashing the Lions by saying this but they have had a poor pass D this year.  

Lafleur is undefeated vs the Bears.  

Yeah Ive seen him give you guys a couple games.  Im not saying he is incapable of putting up a nice game here or there.  Zach Wilson threw for 75% 300 a 2 with no picks in a routing of thr Texans this year.  But he cant do it very often.  Hence hes condisered a bust by all.  

I understand Fields legs.   And that does male him tricky to defend sometimes like any running QB.  But I fully believe if he had Cousins legs he wouldnt be in the league. But he does.  So the next team will just have to deal with the big possibility he semi rolls an ankle week 3 and is obsolete until he has his full wheels.  

[seafoam1 2,691]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

As I brought up in a different thread.  Annoyomous GMs said a 2nd at best.  Maybe a 3rd and 5th.  In that range.  Of like the 5 none mentioned a 1st.  

Teams are crazy though.

Teams without quality QBs are not crazy. They are desperate. When the teams are constantly winning 8 games a year and never getting anywhere, they lose themselves. I hear Bears fans all the time whine about how Poles traded Roquan Smith and Quinn a while back. At some point you have to say no to guys who want $100M and won't negotiate and yet only help you win 7 games a year.

Poles prioritized a clean slate. A clean salary cap. And it was the exact right way to approach this team. And Fields, being on a rookie contract at QB at that time was a direct victim when they started over. Who knows what he could be if he had a decent foundation to work with? Nobody knows at this point and that is why teams and their egos will want to take a shot on Fields. Dude was not dealt a fair hand, but that's what happens in the NFL. There are plenty of offensive coordinators out there that would love to give it a go with Fields. And I think if the Bears draft a QB there will be a few teams ready to give up a second round pick for him. Seriously, what are Pitt, Alt, Denver, TB, LV, Seattle and others going to do at QB. They can't all draft one. 

 

[Gepetto 1,250]

3 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Teams without quality QBs are not crazy. They are desperate. When the teams are constantly winning 8 games a year and never getting anywhere, they lose themselves. I hear Bears fans all the time whine about how Poles traded Roquan Smith and Quinn a while back. At some point you have to say no to guys who want $100M and won't negotiate and yet only help you win 7 games a year.

Poles prioritized a clean slate. A clean salary cap. And it was the exact right way to approach this team. And Fields, being on a rookie contract at QB at that time was a direct victim when they started over. Who knows what he could be if he had a decent foundation to work with? Nobody knows at this point and that is why teams and their egos will want to take a shot on Fields. Dude was not dealt a fair hand, but that's what happens in the NFL. There are plenty of offensive coordinators out there that would love to give it a go with Fields. And I think if the Bears draft a QB there will be a few teams ready to give up a second round pick for him. Seriously, what are Pitt, Alt, Denver, TB, LV, Seattle and others going to do at QB. They can't all draft one. 

 

Denver, Tampa and Seattle all have top half of the NFL QBs.