Dallas police searching for Rashee Rice in connection to accident

[weepaws 3,035]

If you own Chase, I would be concern about him playing. 

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

25 minutes ago, weepaws said:

If you own Chase, I would be concern about him playing. 

Chad Johnson aka Ochocinco is on record saying Chase is holding out for games.  Iosivas is basically a free pick for those drafting this weekend.  

[Ray_T 722]

15 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

"He was charged with eight felonies, although the case remains open.Those charges are one count of aggravated assault, one count of collision causing serious bodily injury and six counts of collision involving injuries". 

8 Felonies including Aggravated Assault. We'd be sitting in jail right now. The NFL is a joke. 

NO.   its the Justice system that is the joke.   People with money can get this kind of liberty because you pay for a big time lawyer who buys you time so you can make more money (to pay them) and keep you out of jail.

the only thing the NFL is doing wrong is allowing him to play.   that does not prevent him from going to jail but it does allow him to pay his legal fees (which are considerable)   after this there will be a civil suit, so his legal problems will roll on for years to come.   This is nowhere close to being over.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

12 hours ago, Ray_T said:

NO.   its the Justice system that is the joke.   People with money can get this kind of liberty because you pay for a big time lawyer who buys you time so you can make more money (to pay them) and keep you out of jail.

the only thing the NFL is doing wrong is allowing him to play.   that does not prevent him from going to jail but it does allow him to pay his legal fees (which are considerable)   after this there will be a civil suit, so his legal problems will roll on for years to come.   This is nowhere close to being over.

Why is "the only thing the NFL is doing wrong is allowing him to play" ??   

You mean, the NFL should suspend him before any legal action is taken by the courts ???  aka "guilty before proven innocent" ???  Sorry to break it to you but that is not how the legal system works, it is "innocent until proven guilty".   Unless you are a communist that is how it works.  

 

What do you mean, "after this" ??   There is already a CIVIL suit with a trial date for December.  NOT a trial date for the criminal courts.  

We already covered this in the following thread so not sure why the misinformation is still going around..... perhaps some of you are butt hurt for not grabbing yourselves a low end WR1 / high end WR2 in the the 6th/7th round and now have to pay a 4th or 5th.  

 

[Phil Simms 11 133]

I drafted Rice and Chase. Look forward to them missing games. 

[GobbleDog 919]

1 hour ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

You mean, the NFL should suspend him before any legal action is taken by the courts ???  aka "guilty before proven innocent" ???  Sorry to break it to you but that is not how the legal system works, it is "innocent until proven guilty".   Unless you are a communist that is how it works. 

That's a legal standard, not an employer standard.

Rice would be suspended by many employers, prior to any court decision. Even non-communist employers.

The NFL waffles on it. Deshaun Watson was suspended 11 games, yet never convicted of any crime.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

34 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

That's a legal standard, not an employer standard.

Rice would be suspended by many employers, prior to any court decision. Even non-communist employers.

The NFL waffles on it. Deshaun Watson was suspended 11 games, yet never convicted of any crime.

Did the NFL let the legal process play out for Mr. Watson before he was suspended ???

Why yes, yes they did.  Strange concept huh. 

A grand jury found he was not to be charged with criminal charges.  The NFL thought he violated the personal conduct policy and suspended him but they allowed the "legal process" to play out, which is what they do.  It took Kamara almost 18 months before any judgement was passed for his assault charge.  Plenty more examples.....this isn't Goodell from the Ray Rice days.  

Two completely different situations.  

[GobbleDog 919]

16 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Did the NFL let the legal process play out for Mr. Watson before he was suspended ???

Why yes, yes they did.  Strange concept huh.

Many lawsuits were still pending when he was suspended. Don't know how many, if any, were settled before the suspension. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,409]

37 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Did the NFL let the legal process play out for Mr. Watson before he was suspended ???

Why yes, yes they did.  Strange concept huh. 

A grand jury found he was not to be charged with criminal charges.  The NFL thought he violated the personal conduct policy and suspended him but they allowed the "legal process" to play out, which is what they do.  It took Kamara almost 18 months before any judgement was passed for his assault charge.  Plenty more examples.....this isn't Goodell from the Ray Rice days.  

Two completely different situations.  

 

20 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Many lawsuits were still pending when he was suspended. Don't know how many, if any, were settled before the suspension. 

No, the NFL technically didn't allow the legal process to play out.  Watson did settle out of court, with 23 of 26 (one later dropped the charges, but 2 remain open), women and two Texas grand juries declined Watson in regards criminal charges placed against him.  The state of Texas was still continuing to investigate the claims because in situations such as rape, sexual harassment, and sexual assault, the state does not need consent or help from the alleged victims to proceed.  The can press charges and prosecute using only affidavits if they so choose.  To this day, I still don't believe the state of Texas has closed these cases because there is still 2 person who has not settled.  Though, I'm not 100% positive on that front (that they're still investigating to this day)... from what I've read there still seems to be 2 claim that has not been settled and why I believe the case remains open..

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing but comparing the Watson case to the Rice case and saying he should have been suspended for his actions because Watson was makes you just look plain ignorant.  

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

No, the NFL technically didn't allow the legal process to play out.  Watson did settle out of court, with 23 of 24 women and two Texas grand juries declined Watson in regards criminal charges placed against him.  The state of Texas was still continuing to investigate the claims because in situations such as rape, sexual harassment, and sexual assault, the state does not need consent or help from the alleged victims to proceed.  The can press charges and prosecute using only affidavits if they so choose.  To this day, I still don't believe the state of Texas has closed these cases because there is still 1 person who has not settled.  Though, I'm not 100% positive on that front (that they're still investigating to this day)... from what I've read there still seems to be 1 claim that has not been settled and why I believe the case remains open..

 

First you say they "didn't allow the legal process to play out".  Next sentence you tell us the two grand juries declined to indict him on criminal charges.  There were already plenty of civil suits for sexual assault.  The NFL ruled his suspension due to the personal conduct policy regarding sexual assault.  This was after the grand jury, the civil suits already existed.  

Tell me again how the NFL suspended Watson BEFORE any criminal due process was allowed to play out ???  Your personal opinion on what the State of Texas did matters nothing in this discussion.  It is about the NFL and precedent.  Comparing Watson situation to Rashee and saying Rice should be suspended / put on the Commissioners Exempt list is fooking dumb and makes for an easily debunked ignorant argument.  I know you guys aren't legal experts but come on.    Look at the Kamara situation.  That is your apt comparison.  

As I previously said, and what GOODELL TOLD YOU back in April after the draft, they are going to let "due process" take its course.    That is what is happening.  You guys don't like it, fine, that is your right and you can complain about it all you want.  It's not changing anything.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

21 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Many lawsuits were still pending when he was suspended. Don't know how many, if any, were settled before the suspension. 

 

CRIMINAL and CIVIL courts are TWO completely different things. 

Come on now.... 

We have already established the CRIMINAL GRAND JURY declined to INDICT WATSON.  He had 25 sexual assault CIVIL charges against him. 

Rice has EXACTLY ZERO CRIMINAL charges assigned by the District Attorney.  Rice does have CIVIL charges and has a DECEMBER court date. 

 

[GobbleDog 919]

7 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

We have already established the CRIMINAL GRAND JURY declined to INDICT WATSON.  He had 25 sexual assault CIVIL charges against him. 

Rice has EXACTLY ZERO CRIMINAL charges assigned by the District Attorney.  Rice does have CIVIL charges and has a DECEMBER court date.

I clearly don't care as much about this as you do, but for the sake of argument...

Watson had no criminal charges, but civil lawsuits pending.... so he was suspended.

Rice has not yet been criminally charged, but has a civil lawsuit pending.

And the difference is... ?  One's a sexual lawsuit and the other isn't.?.  I don't see where you're going with this.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

I only care because I keep seeing the wrong repeated over and over again.  You guys are not getting it.  

Legal process = "due process"

Watson had a Texas Grand jury (this is the criminal legal process) decide NOT to INDICT him (which means NO CRIMINAL charges).   You see here this is what you are missing right?  The NFL ALLOWED DUE PROCESS TO PLAY OUT (process played out by way of Grand Jury).  THE NFL IS ALLOWING DUE PROCESS TO PLAY OUT with Rice (has not yet happened). 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,409]

39 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing but comparing the Watson case to the Rice case and saying he should have been suspended for his actions because Watson was makes you just look plain ignorant.  

 

First you say they "didn't allow the legal process to play out".  Next sentence you tell us the two grand juries declined to indict him on criminal charges.  There were already plenty of civil suits for sexual assault.  The NFL ruled his suspension due to the personal conduct policy regarding sexual assault.  This was after the grand jury, the civil suits already existed.  

Tell me again how the NFL suspended Watson BEFORE any criminal due process was allowed to play out ???  Your personal opinion on what the State of Texas did matters nothing in this discussion.  It is about the NFL and precedent.  Comparing Watson situation to Rashee and saying Rice should be suspended / put on the Commissioners Exempt list is fooking dumb and makes for an easily debunked ignorant argument.  I know you guys aren't legal experts but come on.    Look at the Kamara situation.  That is your apt comparison.  

As I previously said, and what GOODELL TOLD YOU back in April after the draft, they are going to let "due process" take its course.    That is what is happening.  You guys don't like it, fine, that is your right and you can complain about it all you want.  It's not changing anything.  

There are still 2 open cases that are pending, hence, the legal process is not done yet.  That's why I said, "technically", the NFL didn't wait.  If the NFL waited until the legal process was complete, he'd have never been suspended until these last 2 cases were resolved.  Those 2 cases could still bring criminal charges.

I didn't say anything about the Rice case.

[GobbleDog 919]

1 hour ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Watson had a Texas Grand jury (this is the criminal legal process) decide NOT to INDICT him (which means NO CRIMINAL charges).   You see here this is what you are missing right?

Ah yes, now I see...

If Rice is charged and a grand jury decides NOT to INDICT him (which means NO CRIMINAL charges), then he might get suspended like Watson did.

Or if Rice is charged and found guilty, then he also gets suspended.

So basically, he gets suspended either way. Which is why the "must wait for due process" clause doesn't make much sense. You see what you're missing right?

[IGotWorms 4,053]

5 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Why is "the only thing the NFL is doing wrong is allowing him to play" ??   

You mean, the NFL should suspend him before any legal action is taken by the courts ???  aka "guilty before proven innocent" ???  Sorry to break it to you but that is not how the legal system works, it is "innocent until proven guilty".   Unless you are a communist that is how it works.  

 

What do you mean, "after this" ??   There is already a CIVIL suit with a trial date for December.  NOT a trial date for the criminal courts.  

We already covered this in the following thread so not sure why the misinformation is still going around..... perhaps some of you are butt hurt for not grabbing yourselves a low end WR1 / high end WR2 in the the 6th/7th round and now have to pay a 4th or 5th.  

 

We’ve all seen the focking video and he admitted to it.

Frankly, there should be a boycott

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There are still 2 open cases that are pending, hence, the legal process is not done yet.  That's why I said, "technically", the NFL didn't wait.  If the NFL waited until the legal process was complete, he'd have never been suspended until these last 2 cases were resolved.  Those 2 cases could still bring criminal charges.

I didn't say anything about the Rice case.

OK I hear you TB.....   the Watson thing is just ridiculous to use as a bench mark of comparison for this case.  I see you are not doing that.  Yes, Watson could technically still be disciplined further, including from the criminal justice system.  

There are obviously some people in here that were banking on Rice getting suspended.  Nobody complaining about Jordan Addison's DUI and saying he should be suspended.....wonder why that is..... 

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

57 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Ah yes, now I see...

If Rice is charged and a grand jury decides NOT to INDICT him (which means NO CRIMINAL charges), then he might get suspended like Watson did.

Or if Rice is charged and found guilty, then he also gets suspended.

So basically, he gets suspended either way. Which is why the "must wait for due process" clause doesn't make much sense. You see what you're missing right?

No, sorry, you are not..... I''ve exhausted my attention span for having to explain the American legal system on a fantasy football bored.  

The District Attorney is the one who will decide if and what the final charges will be in Rice's case.  NOT the grand jury, that was a DIFFERENT legal matter, I.E. sexual assault where there is no video / evidence of the alleged crime vs. Rice's wreckless driving / leaving scene / etc. of which there IS evidence.  

Let me help you this one last time then I'm done....

"Due Process" is covered and protected under the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.  You, me, Rashee and every other American is afforded this right.  What you are calling for is SUSPENSION of due process, which is a violation of his rights as an American.  Sorry, wrong Country bud.  

[GobbleDog 919]

11 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

"Due Process" is covered and protected under the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.  You, me, Rashee and every other American is afforded this right.  What you are calling for is SUSPENSION of due process, which is a violation of his rights as an American.  Sorry, wrong Country bud.  

Easy Matlock. I said Rice might face a suspension of employment. Not his legal due process. 

Regardless - Not drafting him, don't want him, don't care about his court case, NFL status, or if Goodell screws his wife.