Congratulations to President elect Trump

[MDC 6,625]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We’ll see if the state of the race changes after the conviction. As I wrote earlier, I’m highly skeptical. Still if it affects even 5% of independents that could be decisive…

I don’t think it will move the needle much for voters. The biggest impact is that every day Trump spends in court is a day he’s not campaigning or fundraising. And the likelihood that he starts saying and rage Tweeting loony shiit is high.

[Mark Davis 278]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We’ll see if the state of the race changes after the conviction. As I wrote earlier, I’m highly skeptical. Still if it affects even 5% of independents that could be decisive…

I'll admit it could.  It could also intensify the people who weren't voters in 2020 that have been polling for Trump that the Biden camp is hoping don't vote in 2024.  As you know there's a polling gap between likely and registered voters.  Closing that gap helps Trump so Biden will need to offset that gain in intensity from independents or what few swing voters there are.  I don't really think there are a lot of moveable voters left.  Given how polarizing this all is I'm not sure I know of anyone who could be moved right now.  I know people who have changed their minds from 2020, but not that this would change their mind today.  

[Voltaire 4,843]

The Democrats just broke the glass. Repercussions over what happened today will be felt for years.

[thegeneral 2,412]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The Democrats just broke the glass. Repercussions over what happened today will be felt for years.

Feel free to go after all the politicians that hide their payments to cover up sleazy they are doing prior to elections. 

[jonmx 2,066]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Feel free to go after all the politicians that hide their payments to cover up sleazy they are doing prior to elections. 

Not illegal.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,209]

What are Liberals so afraid of if Trump wins? Do they not see what's running the Country now?  

[jonmx 2,066]

24 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What are Liberals so afraid of if Trump wins? Do they not see what's running the Country now?  

 

Their little brains are filled by the media and entertainment platforms with rhetoric that Trump will destroy democracy.   So the solution is to keep Trump (and RFK jr.) off the ballots and to put their political opponents in prison, which of course is the foundation of democracy. 

[GutterBoy 2,896]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Their little brains are filled by the media and entertainment platforms with rhetoric that Trump will destroy democracy.   So the solution is to keep Trump (and RFK jr.) off the ballots and to put their political opponents in prison, which of course is the foundation of democracy. 

More lies.  Trump is still on the ballot as is rfk jr.

Two of the pillars of democracy are our free and fair elections and our judicial system, and both have been attacked by Trump.  He has spent years sowing seeds of distrust in our elections.  Now he's done with the same with our judicial process.

I just hope there are enough patriotic Americans left that reject Trump's idea that America doesn't exist anymore.  You're lost.  Many here are lost, many Americans.  Hopefully the people reject this cancer and he and his destructive rhetoric goes away for good.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 13,965]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What are Liberals so afraid of if Trump wins? Do they not see what's running the Country now?  

Kamala doesn't worry them either. Think about that. 

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

The party that says they stand for "law & order" is going to run a convicted felon at the top of their ticket in 2024.

That's the state of the presidential race and America in 2024.

[Hardcore troubadour 13,965]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

The party that says they stand for "law & order" is going to run a convicted felon at the top of their ticket in 2024.

That's the state of the presidential race and America in 2024.

Centrist. 

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Centrist. 

Which part of this statement do you disagree with?

"The party that says they stand for "law & order" is going to run a convicted felon at the top of their ticket in 2024"

[jonmx 2,066]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

More lies.  Trump is still on the ballot as is rfk jr.

 

Lol...right.  The DNC efforts in numerous states failed because the Supreme Court stepped in.  The DNC is still filing cases in courts challenging RFK jr. ballot access across the country.   Keep up the lies that the Democrats have any interest in protecting democracy. 

[jonmx 2,066]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Which part of this statement do you disagree with?

"The party that says they stand for "law & order" is going to run a convicted felon at the top of their ticket in 2024"

The case is a total fraud that was pushed through by a corrupt judge.  Anyone whon truly believes in law and order would demand that judge be impeached and the prosecutor to be disbarred. 

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The case is a total fraud that was pushed through by a corrupt judge.  Anyone whon truly believes in law and order would demand that judge be impeached and the prosecutor to be disbarred. 

Right...because nothing could ever be Trump's fault....This poor rich guy who has tons of businesses and a massive public profile and was elected President at one point with tons of controversies swirling him in various manners since the 1970's couldn't have possibly overstepped a line.

Put down the crack pipe man and admit that perhaps....just perhaps....Trump took things a step too far. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

11 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The case is a total fraud that was pushed through by a corrupt judge.  Anyone whon truly believes in law and order would demand that judge be impeached and the prosecutor to be disbarred. 

Was the judge in the Trump University case corrupt?

How about when Trump was found to have stolen from his charities?  That judge corrupt too boyo?

Your master has a long long long history of committing fraud and yet you cucks act like this is something new for him.

LOL at you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 13,965]

18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Which part of this statement do you disagree with?

"The party that says they stand for "law & order" is going to run a convicted felon at the top of their ticket in 2024"

You left out the manipulation of the law part, and how this type of prosecution had never been done before. Could have thrown in something about kangaroo court presided over by an obviously biased judge. And that it has very little chance of withstanding appeal. Besides leaving that stuff out you pretty much covered it, with your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You left out the manipulation of the law part, and how this type of prosecution had never been done before. Could have thrown in something about kangaroo court presided over by an obviously biased judge. And that it has very little chance of withstanding appeal. Besides leaving that stuff out you pretty much covered it, with your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. 

LOL

You're such a cuck you don't even realize you're spouting word for word your master's talking points.

Pathetic cuck.

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You left out the manipulation of the law part, and how this type of prosecution had never been done before. Could have thrown in something about kangaroo court presided over by an obviously biased judge. And that it has very little chance of withstanding appeal. Besides leaving that stuff out you pretty much covered it, with your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. 

Manipulation of the law? 

This type of prosecution had never been done before? Gee maybe because no one had committed the crime to this level before.

Kangaroo court and obviously biased judge? Both opinions that are not rooted in fact.

Little chance of withstanding appeal? I mean, lots of things get thrown out through appeals process. Guess we have to wait and see.

you pretty much covered it......see now you are getting it.

your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. ......and you responded with your normal not rooted in fact Regurgitation of all the MAGA rebuttals of the past 15 hours. 

[jonmx 2,066]

41 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Was the judge in the Trump University case corrupt?

How about when Trump was found to have stolen from his charities?  That judge corrupt too boyo?

Your master has a long long long history of committing fraud and yet you cucks act like this is something new for him.

LOL at you. 

 

Nice diversion.  My comments are a out this case which you wisely want to avoid. 

[jonmx 2,066]

41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You left out the manipulation of the law part, and how this type of prosecution had never been done before. Could have thrown in something about kangaroo court presided over by an obviously biased judge. And that it has very little chance of withstanding appeal. Besides leaving that stuff out you pretty much covered it, with your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. 

And the worst part is a state court using federal laws as the basis for prosecution.  What a joke. 

[jonmx 2,066]

51 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Right...because nothing could ever be Trump's fault....This poor rich guy who has tons of businesses and a massive public profile and was elected President at one point with tons of controversies swirling him in various manners since the 1970's couldn't have possibly overstepped a line.

Put down the crack pipe man and admit that perhaps....just perhaps....Trump took things a step too far. 

Just a simple reading of the law proves this judge is a corrupt bastard.  How can a state court prosecute someone using federal laws?  What authority does a state court have in using federal law to potentionally imprison someone?  The answer eventually will be he does not have such authority. 

[jonmx 2,066]

 

Show me the specific laws of the underlying crime or STFU.

[BeachGuy23 642]

17 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Show me the specific laws of the underlying crime or STFU.

What are your credentials for understanding the law?  

And no, "doing contracts" doesn't count boyo. 

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

18 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Just a simple reading of the law proves this judge is a corrupt bastard.  How can a state court prosecute someone using federal laws?  What authority does a state court have in using federal law to potentionally imprison someone?  The answer eventually will be he does not have such authority. 

Again I say:

 

Right...because nothing could ever be Trump's fault....This poor rich guy who has tons of businesses and a massive public profile and was elected President at one point with tons of controversies swirling him in various manners since the 1970's couldn't have possibly overstepped a line.

Put down the crack pipe man and admit that perhaps....just perhaps....Trump took things a step too far. 

[jonmx 2,066]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again I say:

 

Right...because nothing could ever be Trump's fault....

Just tell me what focking crime he committed and we can have a discussion.  Tax fraud?  Election interference?  Campaign finance.  What exactly did Trump violate, because we still don't know.   This case is a focking joke. 

  

[GutterBoy 2,896]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Lol...right.  The DNC efforts in numerous states failed because the Supreme Court stepped in.  The DNC is still filing cases in courts challenging RFK jr. ballot access across the country.   Keep up the lies that the Democrats have any interest in protecting democracy. 

The DNC did not try and get Trump off the general ballot, stop lying.  Fellow Republicans wanted him off the primary.

[jonmx 2,066]

7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What are your credentials for understanding the law?  

And no, "doing contracts" doesn't count boyo. 

It is called the ability to read and comprehend English.   That is all it takes to understand the law.  There could be precedence which shape how the law is interpreted, but this case is so novel case there are none.   This case required and underlying crime.  There is no debate that fact.  This judge identified three possibilities.   Which one is it and how can federal laws be attached to state crimes.

I don't blame you for not being able to answer, because there are no answers.   The judge is a corrupt lying bastard.  So your only options are to deflect or be honest....so you deflect. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Just tell me what focking crime he committed and we can have a discussion.  Tax fraud?  Election interference?  Campaign finance.  What exactly did Trump violate, because we still don't know.   This case is a focking joke. 

  

falsifying business documents. 

This was said- multiple times. 

[jonmx 2,066]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The DNC did not try and get Trump off the general ballot, stop lying.  Fellow Republicans wanted him off the primary.

 

A few establishment backstabbers along with a hoard of Democrats.   Keeping him out if the primaries keeps him off the general.  HTH.   You are not very good at this debating stuff. 

[jonmx 2,066]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

falsifying business documents. 

This was said- multiple times. 

That is a misdemeanor.  You are smarter than this.  There has to be an underlying crime to make it a felony.  Stop the deflections. 

[GutterBoy 2,896]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

A few establishment backstabbers along with a hoard of Democrats.   Keeping him out if the primaries keeps him off the general.  HTH.   You are not very good at this debating stuff. 

Again with your lies.  You're just making sh1t up at this point..

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

That is a misdemeanor.  You are smarter than this.  There has to be an underlying crime to make it a felony.  Stop the deflections. 

In New York it is a felony to the level it was done. In a lot of states it is tried as a felony. It can be a misdemeanor in some cases. 

In this instance though it rose to a felony because they made the case that he was trying to get around campaign finance limits, influence the 2016 election (by making sure the story stayed closed), and evade taxes on part of the money.

It's a felony in that case. 

[squistion 1,602]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Again with your lies.  You're just making sh1t up at this point..

It appears that the 34 guilty verdicts has sent jonmx completely over the edge. Maybe we can get weepaws to pray for him. 

[jonmx 2,066]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

In New York it is a felony to the level it was done. In a lot of states it is tried as a felony. It can be a misdemeanor in some cases. 

In this instance though it rose to a felony because they made the case that he was trying to get around campaign finance limits, influence the 2016 election (by making sure the story stayed closed), and evade taxes on part of the money.

It's a felony in that case. 

This judge has zero authority to be making a case based on potential violations of federal law.  This specific business records law mentions another 'crime'.  The New York Code defines 'crime' as a violation of state and local laws.   So none of those laws are even legally applicable in this case.  Furthermore, there was no evidence presented how Trump violated any of those laws.  I specifically earlier posted the DOJ fact sheet on on what constitutes election interference.  Newfalsh, hiding embarrassing information is not a violation of any election law.

 And any federal campaign law expert would tell you, paying off Stormy is not a campaign contribution.  But experts were not allowed in this case. Instead the jury was left to falsely assume it was a violation of some unnamed law by the asinine jury instructions of this corrupt judge.

 

 

[supermike80 1,560]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Lol...right.  The DNC efforts in numerous states failed because the Supreme Court stepped in.  The DNC is still filing cases in courts challenging RFK jr. ballot access across the country.   Keep up the lies that the Democrats have any interest in protecting democracy. 

The fricking DNC wanted to have a meeting with the Supreme Court, just democrats, to talk about their concerns.  That is AMAZING that they would even ask for that.   Thankfully Roberts told them to pound sand.   Talk about manipulation.

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

This judge has zero authority to be making a case based on potential violations of federal law.  This specific business records law mentions another 'crime'.  The New York Code defines 'crime' as a violation of state and local laws.   So none of those laws are even legally applicable in this case.  Furthermore, there was no evidence presented how Trump violated any of those laws.  I specifically earlier posted the DOJ fact sheet on on what constitutes election interference.  Newfalsh, hiding embarrassing information is not a violation of any election law.   And any federal election expert would tell you, paying off Stormy is not a campaign contribution..

 

 

Look- the DA put together the case, the arguments were made in that case- arguments that Trump's lawyer had the ability to refute. The jury heard the case and declared it to be valid. That is how the justice system works.

 

I understand why you don't want to believe any of it, and I understand why you believe what you believe. But I will take the legal advice and oversight of people who know the law more than you or I do. 

[Hardcore troubadour 13,965]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Manipulation of the law? 

This type of prosecution had never been done before? Gee maybe because no one had committed the crime to this level before.

Kangaroo court and obviously biased judge? Both opinions that are not rooted in fact.

Little chance of withstanding appeal? I mean, lots of things get thrown out through appeals process. Guess we have to wait and see.

you pretty much covered it......see now you are getting it.

your usual even keeled unbiased observation that you’re so known for. ......and you responded with your normal not rooted in fact Regurgitation of all the MAGA rebuttals of the past 15 hours. 

I don’t claim to be even. You do, which is delusional.  And it’s not a fact that the judge has directly contributed money to left wing political organizations? Is that not a fact? Show me it isn’t. It is, and it ain’t a MAGA rebuttal.  It’s just truth.  

[Sean Mooney 1,755]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t claim to be even. You do, which is delusional.  And it’s not a fact that the judge has directly contributed money to left wing political organizations? Is that not a fact? Show me it isn’t. It is, and it ain’t a MAGA rebuttal.  It’s just truth.  

 

He has contributed money. A Supreme Court justice is heavily right leaning and has upside down flags flown on his property that help prove it. 

The law is impartial though and the upholding of the law is impartial. I trust the various judges ability to put aside their own political feelings to uphold the law. 

[MDC 6,625]

Let’s get real here: No matter what the charges were or who the judge, prosecutor, jury etc. were Trump and MAGAs were going to claim biased and witch hunt. Just like they’ll 100% claim fraud this November win or lose.