Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Hardcore troubadour 14,162]

21 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The Boss weighs in:

 

Oh look. Bruce is wearing a flannel shirt talking in a diner. He’s so authentic. Imagine Woody Guthrie playing his guitar for Hillary and Biden? I don’t think so. 

[jerryskids 6,161]

3 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Do away with the first amendment?

You've lost your mind.

Pick an article:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tim+walz+on+speech+restrictions&oq=tim+walz+on+speech+restrictions&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigAdIBCTExNDg5ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Here's one:

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After Vice President Kamala Harris picked Minnesota governor Tim Walz as her 2024 running mate, a video made the rounds showing Walz saying in an interview that there is “no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.”

While such a sentiment has become disturbingly popular with some Americans and policy-makers like Governor Walz, it is incorrect. The First Amendment does guarantee free speech when it comes to both misinformation and hate speech. Individuals and public officials may detest and condemn such speech, and platforms may choose not to carry it, but to insert the government into regulation of such expression would both set a troubling precedent and undermine our current First Amendment principles in ways that should concern Americans across the political spectrum.

While policy-makers and individuals may think they are protecting the public from potential harm or propaganda, laws that would allow the government to regulate misinformation would quickly risk trampling on the ability to discuss a wide array of political and social issues. The consensus about what is true regarding sensitive topics such as abortion, the Middle East, and the Covid-19 pandemic can change rapidly. In terms of misinformation, so much of what is called “misinformation” is simply information that individuals may disagree about or that may not be fully understood.

While Walz is right that we have laws surrounding specific concerns like voter intimidation and voting interference and that prohibit defamation, the vast majority of speech — even what some may consider detestable — is generally protected, regardless of whether it is true.

Maybe in the future, our understanding will change, and long-held truths will be proven wrong. Even when something is certifiably false, we protect the right of people to be wrong (something for which Walz should be thankful in this case). Engaging with ideas can help us understand one another even when we disagree and may help us develop more thorough understandings of complicated issues and the often-gray areas of fact and belief. The government’s becoming the official arbiter of truth would risk silencing voices and stifling legitimate debate on important issues where there is not always clearly a right answer.

Similarly, “hate speech” is generally protected by the First Amendment. There is no universally agreed-upon definition of hate speech, and certainly not in an American context.

The Supreme Court famously confirmed in 1977 that neo-Nazis had a right to peacefully protest in Skokie, Ill., a town with a substantial number of Holocaust survivors. The American Civil Liberties Union defended the neo-Nazis because, in the words of executive director Aryeh Neier (who as a child fled from Nazi Germany), “the chances are best for preventing a repetition of the Holocaust in a society where every incursion of freedom is resisted.”

It is important to remember that power to regulate speech could be used by those with whom you disagree just as much as those with whom you agree. Walz and Harris’s opponents certainly have their own ways they’d like to use such powers. Senator J. D. Vance, now the Republican VP candidate, has called for banning porn and seizing the assets of foundations that support progressive causes. Former president Donald Trump has regularly criticized libel laws that make it hard to punish his political opponents for what he perceives as false statements made about him. Giving government power to broadly censor “bad” speech should give all Americans pause.

It the midst of major social debates over contentious issues, suppressing speech that we find wrong and hateful is counterproductive to making progress as a society. Free speech, including potentially misleading or offensive speech, isn’t a threat to democracy. Rather, it is essential for democracy.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/actually-tim-walz-first-amendment-does-protect-misinformation-hate-speech

Just take another blue pill and enjoy your pretend steak.   

[Fireballer 2,597]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The difference between illegal immigrants and refugees these days is that refugees learned that they should say "asylum" to a border guard.  To think that there are this many refugees is laughable; you should be able to count them on your fingers and toes.

What I found disheartening is (1) there is an IRS union, and (2) they openly endorse a candidate.  For goodness' sake, at least PRETEND to be impartial.   

Tim is an idiot.  I say that not as to intentionally be insulting, but for the fact that his opinion on refugees has been corrected numerous times, but he continues with his own conclusions.  Refugees can’t “sneak” as Tim says.  You literally have to cross at a point of entry to be a refugee/asylee and receive any status. 

[thegeneral 2,490]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh look. Bruce is wearing a flannel shirt talking in a diner. He’s so authentic. Imagine Woody Guthrie playing his guitar for Hillary and Biden? I don’t think so. 

The Boss and Johnny Cougar. Taylor Swift. Not my cup of tea but Barbara Streisand for the Rodgers and EternallyDims of the board.

The world of music has spoken!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,162]

Springsteen. The guy that wrote Youngstown  now sings for the big boys he spoke out against. Maybe he was at a Diddy party? 

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

31 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The Boss weighs in:

 

Does this mean that they have to shoot all their Springsteen albums? 

[kilroy69 1,159]

3 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Hopefully, Trump defunds NPR. 

What is funny is that they legit think of themselves as an independent news source. They go on and on in their fund drives about how important independent journalism is. Then they turn around and act as a mouthpiece for the DNC. They make very few attempts to ensure they are being balanced. The times they do have a republican on to talk the hosts are condescending and rude. They make snide comments instead of acting like a journalist should. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,162]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Does this mean that they have to shoot all their Springsteen albums? 

I have too many. And my bootlegs, especially the vinyl ones, should get me some dough when he kicks. I also love how they snuck that little American flag in there. I’m sure that greasy spoon always has them out like that 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,407]

13 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

My eyes are up here pal. 

Okay, ball lover. 

[tubby_mcgee 699]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The difference between illegal immigrants and refugees these days is that refugees learned that they should say "asylum" to a border guard.  To think that there are this many refugees is laughable; you should be able to count them on your fingers and toes.

What I found disheartening is (1) there is an IRS union, and (2) they openly endorse a candidate.  For goodness' sake, at least PRETEND to be impartial.   

That's the difference between now and say 40 and 15 years ago.

40 years ago - Media was media.  They reported the news.

15 years ago - Media chose sides.  Very obvious.  BUT they still claimed they were neutral and just reporting

Now - Media chooses sides. Very obvious.  They don't claim to be neutral.  They have taken sides, announced it, and get in the public's face with with it and basically say "Fock you" to those that disagree with their political stance.

I also might add that in public retail businesses, the customer used to be right.  Now, employees can say basically say "Foccccccckkkkk you" to customers, and employers will step in and also say "Focccccckkkkkk you" to the customers. 

[Beaker15 200]

Imagine being a cuck and actually voting for Harris?  Amazing there are grown men posting in here that are not only going to do that but are proud of it.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,407]

Just now, Beaker15 said:

Imagine being a cuck and actually voting for Harris?  Amazing there are grown men posting in here that are not only going to do that but are proud of it.

Well, beta-males are attracted to the all female DNC ticket.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

BOMBSHELL

 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Tim is an idiot.  I say that not as to intentionally be insulting, but for the fact that his opinion on refugees has been corrected numerous times, but he continues with his own conclusions. 

Hey I’m sure glad I wasn’t insulted. 
 

And corrected by whom? By conservatives who want to deport all migrants legal or illegal? Don’t make me laugh. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,162]

What makes someone from Ecuador a refugee? Refugee from what? 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey I’m sure glad I wasn’t insulted. 
 

And corrected by whom? By conservatives who want to deport all migrants legal or illegal? Don’t make me laugh. 

MSNBC considers you a useful idiot.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,162]

At a minimum it looks like the republicans will be picking up three senate seats. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

MSNBC considers you a useful idiot.  

And Trump sees you as a useless one. 

[MLCKAA 512]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What makes someone from Ecuador a refugee? Refugee from what? 

I recall @The Real timschochet telling me a while back that the refugees are fleeing climate change.  I can’t be bothered to go find the posts, but we discussed it politely and I doubt he would deny making that claim.

[seafoam1 2,522]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

And Trump sees you as a useless one. 

 

Poor timmy. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, MLCKAA said:

I recall @The Real timschochet telling me a while back that the refugees are fleeing climate change.  I can’t be bothered to go find the posts, but we discussed it politely and I doubt he would deny making that claim.

I would not. But there are a variety of reasons one could be a refugee. Ask Tom Petty. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,390]

2 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

I also might add that in public retail businesses, the customer used to be right.  Now, employees can say basically say "Foccccccckkkkk you" to customers, and employers will step in and also say "Focccccckkkkkk you" to the customers. 

I worked multiple retail jobs in my youth and I can honestly say that you are correct.  That said, the customers brought that on themselves for the most part.  They took the moto of "The Customer is Always Right" to the literal point of that last word.  They felt that it was their "Right" to be right and took advantage of the situation.

I could give you at least a 100 examples from personal experiences and/or incidents that I've witnessed where people literally lie to either get their money back or get something free the next time the show up.

[Engorgeous George 1,773]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Hmmm

Melania is absolutely glowing

It is as if she had just been rubbed down with excessive amounts of baby oil.  How could such a thing be?

[MLCKAA 512]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would not. But there are a variety of reasons one could be a refugee. Ask Tom Petty. 

Well, Tom Petty is dead so he can’t be asked anything.  However, he said “You don’t have to live like a refugee.”  For whatever it’s worth.  One could stay in one’s own country and “fight to be free.”

[TBayXXXVII 2,390]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What makes someone from Ecuador a refugee? Refugee from what? 

I work with someone who's mother is from Ecuador, came here legally.  She goes with her mother to Ecuador every year for 2 weeks to visit family and friends.  Never once has she ever said that things were bad down there.  Weird.  Well wait, that's not 100% true.  Back in 2019, there were protests and riots going on.  I believe they were against left-wing policies.  But that's not the point. 

[Fireballer 2,597]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey I’m sure glad I wasn’t insulted. 
 

And corrected by whom? By conservatives who want to deport all migrants legal or illegal? Don’t make me laugh. 

Tim you’re continually legally wrong about refugees.  There’s no debate.  Your liberal rainbows and unicorn fantasies over ride reality.

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

It is as if she had just been rubbed down with excessive amounts of baby oil.  How could such a thing be?

I think you are onto something!

[Jeff Probst 59]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Pick an article:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tim+walz+on+speech+restrictions&oq=tim+walz+on+speech+restrictions&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigAdIBCTExNDg5ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Here's one:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/actually-tim-walz-first-amendment-does-protect-misinformation-hate-speech

Just take another blue pill and enjoy your pretend steak.   

Would you say walz is a threat to democracy?

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Tim you’re continually legally wrong about refugees.  There’s no debate.  Your liberal rainbows and unicorn fantasies over ride reality.

Listen I really don’t care what we call these people so long as we don’t return to Trump’s policies. There’s a new film coming out about how awful they were the first time around; this time they will be worse. 
 

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/
 

I get that undocumented immigration worries people. I get that a lot of folks are scared about the costs, that it’s out of control, etc. But separating families? Rounding up millions of people? Is that truly who we are? I hope not. 

[HellToupee 1,252]

6 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Love his music. Hate his politics. 
 

Just shut up and play Born to Run.  

Hate is music & hate his politics. 

[seafoam1 2,522]

32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Listen I really don’t care what we call these people so long as we don’t return to Trump’s policies. There’s a new film coming out about how awful they were the first time around; this time they will be worse. 
 

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/
 

I get that undocumented immigration worries people. I get that a lot of folks are scared about the costs, that it’s out of control, etc. But separating families? Rounding up millions of people? Is that truly who we are? I hope not. 

It's never ending dumbassery from this guy. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,407]

1 hour ago, Jeff Probst said:

Would you say walz is a threat to democracy?

Absolutely she is.

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

 

 

[HellToupee 1,252]

6 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Hmmm

Melania is absolutely glowing

She looks stunning as usual 

 

I wonder what this conversation was about 

[thegeneral 2,490]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

She looks stunning as usual 

 

I wonder what this conversation was about 

Probably Comet Pizza.

[Fireballer 2,597]

48 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Listen I really don’t care what we call these people so long as we don’t return to Trump’s policies. There’s a new film coming out about how awful they were the first time around; this time they will be worse. 
 

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/
 

I get that undocumented immigration worries people. I get that a lot of folks are scared about the costs, that it’s out of control, etc. But separating families? Rounding up millions of people? Is that truly who we are? I hope not. 

Gun thrown.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Probably Comet Pizza

I wonder if "Michelle" Banged Diddy  

[jerryskids 6,161]

2 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

Would you say walz is a threat to democracy?

I would say Walz's desire to restrict free speech is a threat to democracy.  Whether or not he could effect such a change at the national level, I don't know.

Did you click through the other links?  There are other examples.

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

 

 

[Horseman 1,986]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Listen I really don’t care what we call these people so long as we don’t return to Trump’s policies. There’s a new film coming out about how awful they were the first time around; this time they will be worse. 
 

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/
 

I get that undocumented immigration worries people. I get that a lot of folks are scared about the costs, that it’s out of control, etc. But separating families? Rounding up millions of people? Is that truly who we are? I hope not. 

MSNBC "reporter" makes a movie.  Whooo Weeee!