RLLD 3,928 Posted October 31 7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The cost of mass deportation: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-deportations-cost-government-resources-60-minutes/ It would essentially destroy the economy. Which is why it will never happen. I don’t care if Trump is elected in a landslide with a Republican Senate and House it will still never happen. But there will be some big show for the benefit of MAGA and even that will be ugly and potentially disastrous. So let’s hope he loses. Mass deportation is just not feasible in terms of booting all the illegals out in a short term. Not enough people to do it, not enough places/spaces to keep them and its rather costly. I think getting the criminals out is a priority and should be done no matter the cost, but I would like to see a more measured approach that ensures productive people remain. Another problem is that the countries of origin do not want these people back, for good reason of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 208 Posted October 31 11 minutes ago, RLLD said: Mass deportation is just not feasible in terms of booting all the illegals out in a short term. Not enough people to do it, not enough places/spaces to keep them and its rather costly. I think getting the criminals out is a priority and should be done no matter the cost, but I would like to see a more measured approach that ensures productive people remain. Another problem is that the countries of origin do not want these people back, for good reason of course. Well, we are the US. That used to carry weight in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,449 Posted October 31 15 hours ago, Horseman said: That tells your DHCP server (router) to change your network (home) IP address on that specific device. All the devices in your home have their own IP address on the home network, usually 192.168.1.X and assigned consecutively. The router will assign them as you turn on and off your devices. Unless you set your router to static and assign an IP to each device so they get the same IP each time. Doing that assigns the same IP to the MAC address which is specific to each device. All that is helpful when doing home networking, but, it's completely different than the IP your modem shows the world. That's assigned by your internet service provider. Unless you use a VPN. The VPN doesn't change the IP assigned to your modem either, rather, it runs your internet traffic through a network of computers essentially creating a tunnel that can show the world a different IP. And you can make the IP appear that it comes from anywhere. That's helpful for geolocating for internet subscriptions for example. Most people use a VPN for the security it provides though. You're traffic is hidden and harder to get to. Thank you for the technology lesson. So are you saying that if someone always uses a VPN then Seruga couldn’t get their IP address? Also, do you find it odd that someone with the technology to allegedly collect every IP address in the world would be shilling emergency preparedness kits? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,815 Posted October 31 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: Mass deportation is just not feasible in terms of booting all the illegals out in a short term. Not enough people to do it, not enough places/spaces to keep them and its rather costly. I think getting the criminals out is a priority and should be done no matter the cost, but I would like to see a more measured approach that ensures productive people remain. Another problem is that the countries of origin do not want these people back, for good reason of course. According to Stephen Miller they can just move people from other departments into the deportation stuff and help support it all- which just sounds idiotic on about every level. Additionally- I think people need to have some real talk about illegal immigration and how it affects the country both negatively and positively. You make a distinction on the criminals and I think that is a fine distinction to make as it leads to the measured approach you advocate for. I think though too many people think this is a drop it down to zero and kick them all out thing which- sounds good but.....something like half the agricultural workers in the US are undocumented immigrants and they would be affected by just deporting all illegals. Also, According to the National Milk Producers Federation, immigrant labor accounts for 51 percent of all dairy labor, and dairies that employ immigrant labor produce 79 percent of the U.S. milk supply. So if you "deport them all" you are putting worker shortages on farmers, who will then need to hire more American workers- pay them more- which will shrink their margins and will cause prices to rise on things. Nobody wants people here illegally who are doing horrible things and they should be sent back to their countries continuing the numbers from Trump's first term and Biden's term for that stuff. But the productive ones who actually contribute to the society...They should stay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,814 Posted October 31 44 minutes ago, RLLD said: Mass deportation is just not feasible in terms of booting all the illegals out in a short term. Not enough people to do it, not enough places/spaces to keep them and its rather costly. I think getting the criminals out is a priority and should be done no matter the cost, but I would like to see a more measured approach that ensures productive people remain. Another problem is that the countries of origin do not want these people back, for good reason of course. Mass deportation isn't the only option. If you make it undesirable for them to be here many will self deport. Then you can focus on the rest with the limited resources you have. HTH. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,928 Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Strike said: Mass deportation isn't the only option. If you make it undesirable for them to be here many will self deport. Then you can focus on the rest with the limited resources you have. HTH. I am down with that. Take away any benefits being afforded to them, eliminate the motivation to come here and to stay here. Sure. Of course, other nations DO enforce their borders so if it were to arise that people starting making their way back, I presume they would not allow them....because they are not focking stupid.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,814 Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am down with that. Take away any benefits being afforded to them, eliminate the motivation to come here and to stay here. Sure. Of course, other nations DO enforce their borders so if it were to arise that people starting making their way back, I presume they would not allow them....because they are not focking stupid.... They have a saying in bars when they close: "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,496 Posted October 31 The Economist knows what’s up. Endorses Kamala. Reasoning is Trump is too big a shitshow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,815 Posted October 31 21 minutes ago, Strike said: Mass deportation isn't the only option. If you make it undesirable for them to be here many will self deport. Then you can focus on the rest with the limited resources you have. HTH. People would still rather be here I'd reckon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,254 Posted October 31 16 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The Economist knows what’s up. Endorses Kamala. Reasoning is Trump is too big a shitshow. It’s a shitshow that’s created by the fake news industrial complex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: It’s a shitshow that’s created by the fake news industrial complex And of course THE only reason to endorse Harris is But Trump! Certainly not her record or her agenda. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,496 Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, HellToupee said: It’s a shitshow that’s created by the fake news industrial complex Riiiight. But hey your guy rode around in a garbage truck! Yeeee haaaw! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 32 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am down with that. Take away any benefits being afforded to them, eliminate the motivation to come here and to stay here. Sure. Undocumented immigrants pay far more into our system than any benefits they receive: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/adding_up_the_billions_in_tax_dollars_paid_by_undocumented_immigrants.pdf 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 Just now, thegeneral said: Riiiight. But hey your guy rode around in a garbage truck! Yeeee haaaw! What was Kamala doing? Nobody knows because Trump completely took over the news cycle, again. WINNING Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,815 Posted October 31 By this point why haven't people figured out that the media implicitly builds up Trump because they want the chaos to drive ratings for the next 4 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,254 Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Undocumented immigrants pay far more into our system than any benefits they receive: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/adding_up_the_billions_in_tax_dollars_paid_by_undocumented_immigrants.pdf This is bullshit that you consistently peddle.Perhaps in 2007 this might have been true but certainly not today.They commit less crime too I heard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,363 Posted October 31 1 hour ago, RLLD said: Mass deportation is just not feasible in terms of booting all the illegals out in a short term. Not enough people to do it, not enough places/spaces to keep them and its rather costly. I think getting the criminals out is a priority and should be done no matter the cost, but I would like to see a more measured approach that ensures productive people remain. Another problem is that the countries of origin do not want these people back, for good reason of course. I don’t care what it costs, get it done. A dollar spent today is a thousand dollars saved down the road. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, Horseman said: And of course THE only reason to endorse Harris is But Trump! Certainly not her record or her agenda. I don’t know why people keep repeating this. It’s simply not true. Kamala Harris will, in no particular order: 1. Appoint Supreme Court justices and other judges who will protect a woman’s right to choose. 2. Support Ukraine and NATO against Russian encroachment. 3. Support free trade. 4. Promote comprehensive immigration reform. 5. Promote ways to defeat climate change. I, and millions of Americans, hopefully the majority, are for all of these things. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,600 Posted October 31 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Undocumented immigrants pay far more into our system than any benefits they receive: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/adding_up_the_billions_in_tax_dollars_paid_by_undocumented_immigrants.pdf Jesus. Why are you back? This was really good until you came in again with this crap. 1) Published by the american immigration council. They wouldn't have an agenda would they? 2) Published 8 years ago!!(2016) Think things have changed? 3) No mention of the costs of the illegals, just the taxes they pay. There are two sides to this. God I hate how biased your sources are and hate it more when you share them here as some sort of fact. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 2,496 Posted October 31 The industrial media complex!! Ladies and gentlemen please stand for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,928 Posted October 31 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Undocumented immigrants pay far more into our system than any benefits they receive: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/adding_up_the_billions_in_tax_dollars_paid_by_undocumented_immigrants.pdf Thats nice. We start with the criminals, they should be found, captured and sent someone, anywhere but here. In tandem we seal the border, anyone crossing is arrested, and yeah separate families too, and we get those fockers back to their country of origin. Also, get back to wall building coupled with monitoring systems, and in parallel work with who ever is willing to reform the immigration system. Plenty of people to jettison from the country, would likely take more than four years, best to just get started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: This is bullshit that you consistently peddle.Perhaps in 2007 this might have been true but certainly not today.They commit less crime too I heard It’s absolutely true today. Here are studies done within the last few months: https://calbudgetcenter.org/news/new-study-undocumented-immigrants-contribute-8-5-billion-in-california-taxes-a-year/ https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ And yes they commit less crime. This study is from a month ago: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: Jesus. Why are you back? This was really good until you came in again with this crap. 1) Published by the american immigration council. They wouldn't have an agenda would they? 2) Published 8 years ago!!(2016) Think things have changed? 3) No mention of the costs of the illegals, just the taxes they pay. There are two sides to this. God I hate how biased your sources are and hate it more when you share them here as some sort of fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Jesus. Why are you back? This was really good until you came in again with this crap. 1) Published by the american immigration council. They wouldn't have an agenda would they? 2) Published 8 years ago!!(2016) Think things have changed? 3) No mention of the costs of the illegals, just the taxes they pay. There are two sides to this. God I hate how biased your sources are and hate it more when you share them here as some sort of fact. Things HAVE changed- to our benefit. Please take a look at my last post. What I am sharing IS fact. I’m sorry you hate it, but I suggest that has more to do with your own biases than it does with my accuracy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 627 Posted October 31 14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Undocumented immigrants pay far more into our system than any benefits they receive: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/adding_up_the_billions_in_tax_dollars_paid_by_undocumented_immigrants.pdf Why is Kamalatoe threatening to deport them all now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,600 Posted October 31 Just now, The Real timschochet said: Things HAVE changed- to our benefit. Please take a look at my last post. What I am sharing IS fact. I’m sorry you hate it, but I suggest that has more to do with your own biases than it does with my accuracy. Your biases have been proven so many times here it is pointless to debate at this point. You are simple minded and easily led by the media. You think you're not, but you are. You are the exact demographic the democrats target. Easily manipulated, not very bright and utterly unable to think for yourself. Again, you shared information about TAXES...Nothing else. Biased. As far as you SAYING things have changed to our benefit, you're not very bright so why would anyone believe your opinion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,170 Posted October 31 7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: It’s absolutely true today. Here are studies done within the last few months: https://calbudgetcenter.org/news/new-study-undocumented-immigrants-contribute-8-5-billion-in-california-taxes-a-year/ https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/ And yes they commit less crime. This study is from a month ago: https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate I provided you a link recently which showed that Cali spends $31B on illegal alien services. 31 > 8.5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,600 Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I provided you a link recently which showed that Cali spends $31B on illegal alien services. 31 > 8.5 no no no..TIMS post was the LAW!! Just ask him and his biased media(which he absolutely cannot recognize). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 1 minute ago, supermike80 said: Your biases have been proven so many times here it is pointless to debate at this point. You are simple minded and easily led by the media. You think you're not, but you are. You are the exact demographic the democrats target. Easily manipulated, not very bright and utterly unable to think for yourself. Again, you shared information about TAXES...Nothing else. Biased. As far as you SAYING things have changed to our benefit, you're not very bright so why would anyone believe your opinion. It’s easy enough for you to look at the amount of taxes coming in and costs going out if you want to, I provided part of the information for you. More difficult would be to ascertain the amount of money we all save in prices from these people working for such low wages- but we know that this is a very significant amount. I have provided my argument and the reasons for it. I get that you don’t like it and in fact it’s not a popular position in the country right now. But if your main rebuttal is that I must be wrong because I’m not very bright that’s not especially compelling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,600 Posted October 31 Just now, The Real timschochet said: It’s easy enough for you to look at the amount of taxes coming in and costs going out if you want to, I provided part of the information for you. More difficult would be to ascertain the amount of money we all save in prices from these people working for such low wages- but we know that this is a very significant amount. I have provided my argument and the reasons for it. I get that you don’t like it and in fact it’s not a popular position in the country right now. But if your main rebuttal is that I must be wrong because I’m not very bright that’s not especially compelling. May not be compelling, but it's facts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 19 hours ago, iam90sbaby said: Trump wins. Betting odds way in our favor. https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president Gfy @The Real timschochet Almost back to where they were after the Biden debate and the Dems were in full on panic mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 6 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I provided you a link recently which showed that Cali spends $31B on illegal alien services. 31 > 8.5 See the problem is for me is that your study is from FAIR, which is a hate group: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform Ita no different than if you presented me a study from the KKK. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: It’s easy enough for you to look at the amount of taxes coming in and costs going out if you want to, I provided part of the information for you. More difficult would be to ascertain the amount of money we all save in prices from these people working for such low wages- but we know that this is a very significant amount. I have provided my argument and the reasons for it. I get that you don’t like it and in fact it’s not a popular position in the country right now. But if your main rebuttal is that I must be wrong because I’m not very bright that’s not especially compelling. Your history not being very bright, always being wrong and flat out lying is exactly why nobody takes you seriously. You should do everyone a favor and stop posting again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Hey there, checking in. I still don’t know how much time I will have to post now. Not much I expect. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 5,232 Posted October 31 Just now, Horseman said: Your history not being very bright, always being wrong and flat out lying is exactly why nobody takes you seriously. You should do everyone a favor and stop posting again. Actually I do need to stop. This was fun but I am super busy. This will be my last post until Tuesday night. I will comment on the election, eat crow if I must (I don’t think I will but you never know). After that I doubt I will post for months here, or very rarely. So you’re getting what you wanted. Stay well! 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
purdygood 306 Posted October 31 14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Things HAVE changed- to our benefit. Please take a look at my last post. What I am sharing IS fact. I’m sorry you hate it, but I suggest that has more to do with your own biases than it does with my accuracy. Everyone is down for mass deportation... until it happens. Then your cleaning lady doesn't show up, the Burger flipper at your favorite spot is gone, the guy who mows your lawn is gone... the price of everything goes up because the people who Butcher all the food you BBQ and eat while sitting on your ass watching football every Sunday are gone, why is there no fruit in the Grocery store?.... and DANGIT where is my Taco Stand on every corner!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,812 Posted October 31 Harris will win simply because the right can't help themselves. Imagine if Republicans were kind and inclusive? Nothing could stop them. Unfortunately, they're mean and racist and they will lose, again, AND they won't win again until they change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 1,987 Posted October 31 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Actually I do need to stop. This was fun but I am super busy. This will be my last post until Tuesday night. I will comment on the election, eat crow if I must (I don’t think I will but you never know). After that I doubt I will post for months here, or very rarely. So you’re getting what you wanted. Stay well! Good. Go pretend you have a life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,300 Posted October 31 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Actually I do need to stop. This was fun but I am super busy. This will be my last post until Tuesday night. I will comment on the election, eat crow if I must (I don’t think I will but you never know). After that I doubt I will post for months here, or very rarely. So you’re getting what you wanted. Stay well! Are you having to pick up some extra work because the illegals you employee bout to get deported Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,164 Posted October 31 How do the police know the immigration status of the criminal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
