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[cmh6476 921]

I also wouldn't worry about it weighing on him to effect in-game performance, when he does play.   He has great mentors on this team who are good in dealing with distractions.  And this wr room seems to be an extremely cohesive unit. 

[League Champion 1,790]

5 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

He has a court date set in December for CIVIL court.  CIVIL not CRIMINAL. 

Dude won't be suspended this year, if at all.  This is all that matters in this discussion and related to this forum.   

The NFL doesn't need anything to suspend someone. I guarantee you he's getting suspended, it may not be this season, but it's coming. 

[Ray_T 721]

1 hour ago, cmh6476 said:

It's more risk than injury risk.   He still has as much chance at anyone else getting injured in games he's playing.   Other players don't carry the risk he had as a result of poor conduct.   In sum, you're taking more of a risk with him. 

yep.

and because I'm not a legal expert and dont know his chances of a conviction I cant possibly assess the risk.

if you are considering him Id recommend doing all your research on the issue, the player, the situation that you can muster.    I actually find this sort of situation harder because a lot of the info you need to properly assess risk is kept quiet because its a matter that will be before the courts.

with an injury usually you can find everything you need and can properly peg timelines to recover and seriousness.

but if it was me, I'd do my homework before spending the pick.   at least I'd be going into that risk with my eyes fully open.    and lots of people dont do their homework and get burned.   either by taking a player they shouldnt or not taking a player they should actually take.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

17 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I think you are overreacting here.  dude has had trouble with the law  so it is a legitimate risk he gets suspended.   what we dont know is when that happens or if it happens at all but it is still a risk.    and you should treat that the same as an injury that could keep him out a few games (or not)

if you wanna ignore that risk as a fantasy owner thats your choice and you are free to do so.   I dont expect everyone here to know the ins and outs of the law in each state.   (I know I dont)   all I know is hes been arrested and that is a risk.   I've also found that on average when a player has an off field issue they are dealing with it quite often will affect on field production.   my theory is that this happens because the guy is not 100% focused on football.    so I dont just avoid because of risk of suspension.  I also avoid for this reason.

case in point Desean Watson.     while he paid dearly to make the legals go away I'm sure this wreaked havoc on his personal life too and no surprise, he signs a huge contract and flops.   I think eventually he may bounce back.   dont know if it happens this year or not but I dont think he just became a bad player overnight.   There is more to this.  the dude is human.

either way, food for your thoughts.    you dont have to agree with me  but thats where i'm at on this issue.

 

I've posted multiple times on this topic in this thread.... I've already stated that this "risk" is baked into his ADP.  Taking him in the 6th/7th round is VALUE as it is because the risk is being accounted for....If it was not, then you would see him a full 1.5 to 2 rounds ahead of Hollywood.  No one is "ignoring risk".  

I've also said multiple times, for the sake of this conversation, that it ONLY matters if he is going to MISS GAMES THIS SEASON.  Dynasty value??  Yes, he has a chance of getting 2-3 games NEXT year.  "Could it happen" this year ??  YES, it "could".  Although the facts at hand show it is very unlikely and I'm ALL in on the value return you are getting with a high end WR2 in a top 3 passing offense at a 6th/7th round price.  Not sure what is so hard to understand for some people to realize this is what I'm talking about.   

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

15 hours ago, League Champion said:

The NFL doesn't need anything to suspend someone. I guarantee you he's getting suspended, it may not be this season, but it's coming. 

 

JFC go read the thread, NO WHERE did I say he won't "ever" be suspended.  "It's coming" yes, already said.... but highly likely it is Next season.  

If there was a betting line in Vegas on his odds of being suspended THIS season I would be max wagering the NO.  

If he is suspended this season for any amount of time RELATED to this current alleged offense, then I have no problem eating crow.  I'll also have no problem having Rice on my team for 13-14 games putting up high end WR2 numbers.  Peace.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

18 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I think you are overreacting here.  dude has had trouble with the law  so it is a legitimate risk he gets suspended.   what we dont know is when that happens or if it happens at all but it is still a risk.    and you should treat that the same as an injury that could keep him out a few games (or not)

if you wanna ignore that risk as a fantasy owner thats your choice and you are free to do so.   I dont expect everyone here to know the ins and outs of the law in each state.   (I know I dont)   all I know is hes been arrested and that is a risk.   I've also found that on average when a player has an off field issue they are dealing with it quite often will affect on field production.   my theory is that this happens because the guy is not 100% focused on football.    so I dont just avoid because of risk of suspension.  I also avoid for this reason.

case in point Desean Watson.     while he paid dearly to make the legals go away I'm sure this wreaked havoc on his personal life too and no surprise, he signs a huge contract and flops.   I think eventually he may bounce back.   dont know if it happens this year or not but I dont think he just became a bad player overnight.   There is more to this.  the dude is human.

either way, food for your thoughts.    you dont have to agree with me  but thats where i'm at on this issue.

 

To your theory.... you should be removing Tyreek Hill from your draft bored this year.....  Should have removed Kamara last year.....  Cross off Jordan Addison' s name this year....  bump down Zay Jones and Chris Olave as well for their offseason digressions.... 

 

"case in point" = lol @ Deshawn Watson being your comparison.  Watson was out of football for 700 days.  He was accused of sexual assault by over 20 women.  He settled civil cases with the majority of them.  He was traded to a new team half way through the ordeal.  Not a great "case in point" for Rashee comparison.  

 

[Bier Meister 1,608]

do we have any updates on legal or team/nfl consequences for Rice?

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

22 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

do we have any updates on legal or team/nfl consequences for Rice?

Draft him in the 6th round (5th if you are in a KC homer league) and be happy knowing you have a WR1 in your WR2/3 or Flx spot.  

[weepaws 3,015]

14 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Draft him in the 6th round (5th if you are in a KC homer league) and be happy knowing you have a WR1 in your WR2/3 or Flx spot.  

Non ppr 12-14 team mocks. I’ve been going rb early, it’s a non ppr, taking Both Kupp/Rice combo a little bit early, it makes for a great looking non ppr team.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

20 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Non ppr 12-14 team mocks. I’ve been going rb early, it’s a non ppr, taking Both Kupp/Rice combo a little bit early, it makes for a great looking non ppr team.

This is the way....nicely done.  

[Ray_T 721]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Non ppr 12-14 team mocks. I’ve been going rb early, it’s a non ppr, taking Both Kupp/Rice combo a little bit early, it makes for a great looking non ppr team.

I've noticed Kupps ADP has shortened up in the last few weeks.  can you still run this strategy?   or has Kupps price gone up to the point where this plan wont work now?

[IGotWorms 4,041]

3 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Draft him in the 6th round (5th if you are in a KC homer league) and be happy knowing you have a WR1 in your WR2/3 or Flx spot.  

This is the answer, especially now with the Hollywood brown injury 

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I've noticed Kupps ADP has shortened up in the last few weeks.  can you still run this strategy?   or has Kupps price gone up to the point where this plan wont work now?

Drafted Kupp early 3rd and followed up with Rashee late in the 6th this past Sunday night.... 12 teamer, start 3 WR.  

[weepaws 3,015]

3 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I've noticed Kupps ADP has shortened up in the last few weeks.  can you still run this strategy?   or has Kupps price gone up to the point where this plan wont work now?

Always no,  but I’ve had five mocks today, it worked in three of them, non ppr , I go rb/rb, the. Kupp, rb again for my flex, again it’s a non ppr, then get Rice,   When it works. It’s a beautiful thing.  But isn’t always going.  My big money league 14 team non ppr begins next Wednesday up at SLT, it will go up to Friday.  Then I have a small money league, in California, close to Reno, ppr it’s now going to be a 14 teams.  But this time of ff is my favorite, I like getting prepared and chatting and comparing with everyone on this board.  

[Ray_T 721]

58 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Always no,  but I’ve had five mocks today, it worked in three of them, non ppr , I go rb/rb, the. Kupp, rb again for my flex, again it’s a non ppr, then get Rice,   When it works. It’s a beautiful thing.  But isn’t always going.  My big money league 14 team non ppr begins next Wednesday up at SLT, it will go up to Friday.  Then I have a small money league, in California, close to Reno, ppr it’s now going to be a 14 teams.  But this time of ff is my favorite, I like getting prepared and chatting and comparing with everyone on this board.  

yeah when I saw his adp shortening up I figured that might throw a wrench into your plans.   but 60% success rate on this is not bad

[weepaws 3,015]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

yeah when I saw his adp shortening up I figured that might throw a wrench into your plans.   but 60% success rate on this is not bad

One never knows how different it will look at the live draft, when money is on the line, usually looks much different than a free mock. 

[Ray_T 721]

4 minutes ago, weepaws said:

One never knows how different it will look at the live draft, when money is on the line, usually looks much different than a free mock. 

for sure.  good insight

[cmh6476 921]

 

[Ray_T 721]

hes not in a million dollar house?   Maybe that's the problem.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

On 7/10/2024 at 11:03 AM, kcBlitzkrieg said:

With Hollywood injury perhaps or 8 game suspension for Rice.....

otherwise, Worthy's season will be no better than a Mecole Hardman like stat line.  

 

Warmed up on the rookie since July.... he will have a better rookie season than Mecole's best NFL season (not saying much).   Gonna run him the the early career Desean Jackson role in Big Red's offense.  He is better route runner than previously advertised, they will be scheming him to get clean releases off the line.  Mahomes gonna be dropping Bombs to him and Hollywood while Kelce and Rice eat up the intermediate / short stuff.  

So 60/800/6 type of year.  

[kilroy69 1,163]

I am rolling with him in my wr3 spot 

[dreen626 17]

Worthy  will be the man

[weepaws 3,015]

Rice is looking good to go.

[DrG 102]

Worthy also gets a return league bump.

By end of year biggest receiving threat on the team.

[cmh6476 921]

those of you lucky enough to grab this guy in a dynasty league, you might have got a really good one

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article291795880.html
 

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Xavier Worthy had just exited the luxury suite at Lucas Oil Stadium, and Kansas City Chiefs general manager Brett Veach couldn’t hold back his excitement.

The Texas receiver had just aced his test.

This was at March’s NFL Combine in Indianapolis, and Worthy’s 18 formal minutes with the Chiefs coaches and scouts had gone better than anyone in the room had anticipated.

“It’s one of those things where everyone just was looking at each other,” Veach said, “saying, ‘That’s a really good interview.’”

We all know how this story eventually turned out.

KC traded up to select Worthy with the 28th pick in April’s NFL Draft. The rookie is set to make his debut Thursday in the NFL’s season opener against Baltimore, with those around him already raving about his game-breaking speed and ability.

“He’s been picking everything up,” Chiefs receivers coach Connor Embree said.

“You bring him in, it’s like that new toy,” added offensive coordinator Matt Nagy.

“We’re really opening up the playbook to him,” quarterback Patrick Mahomes said, “and he’s learning.”

Only Veach, however, knows the full backstory of how Worthy landed with the Chiefs.

And how the dream of landing him seemed to end just 24 hours after he left that suite.

Trouble for the Chiefs

Veach pulled out his phone, sending a three-word group text to Nagy, coach Andy Reid and Chiefs pass game coordinator Joe Bleymaier.

“Well,” he wrote, “he’s gone.”

The “he,” in this case, was Worthy, who just a day after interviewing with the Chiefs had set the news cycle ablaze.

The receiver, still at the NFL Combine, broke the NFL record for fastest 40-yard dash time.

Veach knew that was trouble for the Chiefs, who held the first round’s 32nd (and final) pick after winning Super Bowl LVIII.

“You’re not thinking you’re gonna have a shot at him,” Veach told The Star, “because he runs a 4.21.”

Chiefs coaches processed the news in different ways.

After receiving the text, Nagy reminded himself that sometimes this happens with prospects. Players often improve their stock while pricing themselves out of a team’s range.

“You figure, ‘OK, that’s how this goes,’” Nagy said. “You’ve got to have all your next guys up ready.”

Embree, meanwhile, watched Worthy’s 40-yard dash live from the team’s suite at Lucas Oil Stadium.

His first reaction: “Whoa.”

His second was more a dose of reality: “Uh oh.”

“You want him to run good, but you probably don’t want him to set the record. Because then everyone knows,” Embree said. “SportsCenter is playing it. Now, he’s the fastest guy ever.”

The timing of Worthy’s run was especially cruel, given how he’d wowed the Chiefs the previous day.

A reminder of the past

Even before Worthy’s interview, Nagy had taken it upon himself to do some extra research.

Worthy’s receivers coach at Texas, Chris Jackson, was a former assistant for Nagy when he coached the Chicago Bears. Jackson spoke extensively with Nagy about who Worthy was as a person, and also where he excelled in routes.

It only led Nagy further into his own study, where he kept seeing the same resemblance.

“Everyone kept talking, ‘Tyreek, Tyreek,’” Nagy said of outsiders comparing Worthy to the Dolphins’ Tyreek Hill, “but I think we all saw DeSean Jackson when you watched his tape.”

And no one understood how that type of receiver could help the Chiefs better than this particular coaching staff.

Jackson — born in California, like Worthy — had two of his three Pro Bowl seasons while playing under Reid in Philadelphia. Veach was on staff when the Eagles drafted him, and so was Nagy, a volunteer assistant with the team in 2008.

It seemed like more than happenstance — maybe even fate? — when Worthy started his Chiefs interview by saying Jackson was his favorite player to watch growing up.

“I know him well,” Reid quipped in response.

Worthy only continued to impress from there.

He explained his favorite play at Texas — “Dunkin’” (named after Dunkin’ Donuts) — and described all the nuances. The play-action pass — offensive line blocking one way, tight end blocking the other — called for a QB boot and some false acceleration on the route, all before Worthy put on the brakes for a 20-yard curl.

“I knew the reads. I knew what the quarterback was gonna do. I knew what the running back was gonna do. So I just understood the whole play,” Worthy later told the Star. “So I just wanted to show the play could work versus everything.”

Veach immediately saw something rare with Worthy’s processing. It was typical for college players to know their own roles, and perhaps the responsibility of someone else on the field.

But to understand the play’s whole concept? And what the coaching staff was trying to accomplish with each piece?

Worthy, without much effort, was making it clear how intelligent he was.

“Some guys can memorize a playbook. Some guys just understand football,” Veach said. “And I think from that time with him, we got a good feeling that he understood football and understood the concepts of not just the route, but why they’re running the route.”

From previous experience, Embree could tell when players were stringing coaches along while describing plays, or trying to fake insight they didn’t have.

Because of that, this explanation — one where Worthy not only remembered his coaching points and milestones on the field, but also where he was supposed to be at certain moments — led Embree to one conclusion.

Worthy was knocking it out of the park.

“Some people just have a natural feel for football, and some people have to work at it,” Embree said. “And he came off like he had a natural feel.”

Those details were essential as they related to the Chiefs.

Watching a player’s film, Embree said, is just the first step in evaluating receivers. The next step is determining whether guys can process all the Chiefs throw at them in offseason practices and training camp.

Embree could tell from the nods he got from other coaches when Worthy left the room: If somehow available, the wideout would fit right in with the Chiefs.

“We like to move people around. We’ve got a complicated playbook,” Embree said. “So basically, we just looked at each other like, ‘Yeah, he can do it. He can do what we’re probably going to ask him to do.’”

There was one obstacle left: figuring out if Worthy would last long enough in the first round for the Chiefs to make a play at him.

Even Worthy said goodbye to Chiefs coaches that day with a lingering thought in his mind.

“I knew I made an impression,” Worthy said, “but I just didn’t know if I was going to make it to them.”

‘Just hoping, fingers crossed’

The Chiefs receive 30 in-house and Zoom visits with prospects following the NFL Combine, and Veach decided the Chiefs would play a bit coy.

Worthy wasn’t scheduled to the team’s facility. There was no need.

“We were good,” Veach said.

The combine interview had sold the Chiefs on the receiver without needing any follow-up for confirmation. Now, it was a matter of seeing where his stock ended up.

Somewhat surprisingly — to KC, at least — Worthy’s 40 time hadn’t shot him higher up draft boards.

Questions remained league-wise about his size at 165 pounds. And also about his durability. Could he make it through an entire NFL season with his specific body type?

Data at GrindingTheMocks.com showed a rise in Worthy’s consensus mock-draft status after the 40-yard dash, but then a decline. Just before the draft, he was projected somewhere in the late first round — right where the Chiefs might have a chance with a trade.

It still only takes one team to be high on a player to make him unavailable. Embree entered the draft Thursday night thinking that Worthy-to-the-Chiefs remained an unlikely scenario.

“I thought we were gonna have to trade up too far to get him,” Embree said. “So when he kept falling, it was just hoping, fingers crossed, that he’d be there.”

Nagy, meanwhile, sat in the back of the Chiefs’ draft room in April as the picks unfolded — and as Worthy’s name remained on the board into the 20s.

The scramble started there. Veach got on the phone with the rival Buffalo Bills, then traded up from No. 32 to 28.

A few minutes later, the Chiefs had their guy, turning in their card to select Worthy.

In the draft room, Nagy couldn’t help but sense a mixture of joy — along with a bit of disbelief.

“There’s a temperature in the room of how good you feel, and it was pretty hot,” Nagy said. “Everyone was feeling really good.”

Now, of course, comes the critical part.

The Chiefs have to prove they were right.

What looms ahead

Worthy stood in front of his locker Sunday, explaining to reporters how he felt ahead of his first NFL game.

He’s comfortable with the Chiefs’ system, he says, and also understands what the team is trying to accomplish with its plays.

Most of all, though, he’s ready to get out there and show what he can do.

“I wouldn’t say it’s nerves,” Worthy said. “I just feel like I’m ready.”

Chiefs coaches are just as interested in seeing what happens following Worthy’s last few months.

Embree says in training camp the Chiefs didn’t just see Worthy’s 4.21 speed, they could feel it.

On the field, Embree could hear defensive backs talk to each other: “He’s fast. We gotta back up.”

Perhaps of greatest importance for Worthy, though, was that he never got lost mentally. Embree has had past rookie receivers struggle with getting out of the huddle, not able to process the play quickly enough to understand where they’re supposed to line up.

Worthy has had none of those issues.

“I’ve just been impressed with him, the football smartness,” Embree said.

Nagy, for one, knows how hard Worthy has worked to get to that understanding.

It started in May’s Organized Team Activities, when Worthy didn’t practice because of a hamstring issue.

That didn’t mean he took the time off. After plays, Worthy would often walk to Nagy on the field without a helmet and ask him questions about what his assignment would have been on a particular snap.

“I love that about him,” Nagy said. “He wants more.”

Worthy also flashed his potential at training camp, coming down with a few viral deep-ball catches on Mahomes passes — including one that literally sent Nagy dancing onto the field with arms flailing.

One can still understand the emotion — especially considering the team’s previous circumstances.

From “Well, he’s gone” to Chiefs starting receiver in six months, Worthy now has the chance to show the world what the Chiefs have long seen in him.

And also reward the faith of the team — from the very first interview — that valued him the most.

“How we got him,” Nagy said, “was pretty cool.”

 

 

[TheGiantJets 18]

21 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

those of you lucky enough to grab this guy in a dynasty league, you might have got a really good one

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article291795880.html
 

 

Nice post. I think I’m going to flex him. Also nice to have someone going in the first game

[cmh6476 921]

Thank you Buffalo for trading us picks where we got Mahomes and worthy

[Maximum Overkill 1,420]

7 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

Thank you Buffalo for trading us picks where we got Mahomes and worthy

They passed on the fastest WR EVER for the slowest WR EVER  

[cmh6476 921]

This offense was cooking and they get marquise brown back soon

[BufordT 406]

How many more times are GM’s going to make themselves look stupid by letting Reid draft the fastest guy in a draft?

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

Start your Chiefs, all of them, even Noah Grey & Perine as bye week flexes.

[weepaws 3,015]

26 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Start your Chiefs, all of them, even Noah Grey & Perine as bye week flexes.

Might want to pass on Kelce.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

33% target share for Rashee  

Mahomes average 10+ yards per attempt, up from career low 7 last season.  aDOT was basically the same which tells you this group is some YAC monsters....wait till Hollywood gets added next week.  

Mandrews face is on the side of a milk carton this morning.  

Henry.  meh.  

Kelce's stash looked good.  

 

[BufordT 406]

The only negative I can see with the Chiefs offense is their OC. I know it’s Reid’s offense but Matt Nagy’s presence around this offense is very very very meh!

[Maximum Overkill 1,420]

2 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Mandrews face is on the side of a milk carton this morning

This may be the beginning of the end for Mandrews. Likely has been knocking on that door for a year now. 

"Mark, you block and Likely will handle the pass catching duties". 

[WhiteWonder 2,485]

On 9/6/2024 at 9:23 AM, BufordT said:

How many more times are GM’s going to make themselves look stupid by letting Reid draft the fastest guy in a draft?

i think it's way more than that, unless this was sarcasm. Remember when the raiders would just draft the fastest player? never worked for them. And honestly it hasn't worked for KC recently. Week 1 overreaction just a tad because Worthy had 2 TDs. And i'm not saying he won't be a really good player because he's already better than the guys i'm about to name but.... Mecole Hardman, Skyy Moore.   I know Worthy was the fastest ever but Hardman ran a 4.33 and Moore was supposed to be a fast player as well.  Even Toney was a speed guy who they traded for all in an attempt to replace Tyreek. 

   again nothing against worthy because I do think he will be the one that works out but take away his 2 scores (one on blown coverage) and his game was fairly average 

[Ray_T 721]

On 9/6/2024 at 11:39 AM, Maximum Overkill said:

This may be the beginning of the end for Mandrews. Likely has been knocking on that door for a year now. 

"Mark, you block and Likely will handle the pass catching duties". 

well, I figured Likely could have started for a large number of teams last year.   

but I really think this is a function of Andrews isnt 100% so they did the pivot and kept Andrews in to draw some coverage.   Hes talented enough I agree, but they wont discard Andrews unless he really cannot play.   I dont feel thats happening yet.   it may have happened this week because Andrews may not be healthy but I cannot see this being the norm moving forward.

he may have one or two more games of very high production and maybe when Andrews is ready they do more 2 TE sets and it becomes a dual threat.  but there are only so many mouths to feed, so his upside may be limited (though admittedly he looked better than nearly all the Baltimore WR too)

[WhiteWonder 2,485]

On 9/6/2024 at 1:39 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

This may be the beginning of the end for Mandrews. Likely has been knocking on that door for a year now. 

"Mark, you block and Likely will handle the pass catching duties". 

I think you may see Likely act more as a big bodied WR2 than a pass catching TE role. Andrews owners will likely feel they overpaid by the end of the season but I don't expect him to vanish an become a blocking TE.  Ravens best offense has Flowers, Andrews and Likely 

[Ray_T 721]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i think it's way more than that, unless this was sarcasm. Remember when the raiders would just draft the fastest player? never worked for them. And honestly it hasn't worked for KC recently. Week 1 overreaction just a tad because Worthy had 2 TDs. And i'm not saying he won't be a really good player because he's already better than the guys i'm about to name but.... Mecole Hardman, Skyy Moore.   I know Worthy was the fastest ever but Hardman ran a 4.33 and Moore was supposed to be a fast player as well.  Even Toney was a speed guy who they traded for all in an attempt to replace Tyreek. 

   again nothing against worthy because I do think he will be the one that works out but take away his 2 scores (one on blown coverage) and his game was fairly average 

I think if my memory is correct he had a reputation of dropping too many passes too.    but hes maybe the first WR with that kind of speed who is also a good route runner.   so from my perspective hes a much higher chance at success.

either way, no sane team drafts him ahead of Harrison or Nabers  so that pushed him down the list.  but this may have been the deepest draft at WR in a generation.   maybe ever.  so its a forgiveable offense

[gcmmidwest 147]

There gonna have to sign a Julio Jones or somebody... Anybody think juju is worth a pickup? I don't think he even had one target today