2024 Top 10 Te's

[Ray_T 722]

1 hour ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

 

Accurate assessment 

to add to this, there is only one other TE in the history of the NFL that has produced at this level at the age Kelce currently is.     Tony Gonzalez

food for your thoughts.

while I do think hes still a startable TE.  I just dont know that hes the #1 TE in the game anymore.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

He was 2 yards per reception below his career average last year at 10.  Never had a previous season less than 12 ypr.  Targets were lowest of Mahomes era.  TDs tied for 2nd lowest of career.  

We all know Mahomes was forced into the dink and dunk style passing attack without any legitimate deep threats last season.  Kelce was the only real offense before you saw Rashee step into his breakout role last year.  I could see Kelce getting a TD bump and his ypr going back towards his career average of 12 due to the additions of Brown and Worthy.  They had no threat of this factor with MVS and Mecole.  I think that changes this year, opening up the underneath stuff for Kelce and Rice.  Kelce targets will be even or regress slightly.  

Last year he was tied for 1st in fppg, finished 3rd missing 2 games.  I don't see him falling off out of top 5 though....Negative age regression with potential for positive game flow on the reverse side leads to a top 5 fantasy finish.  But as you said, just not the hands down overall TE1.  

[Ray_T 722]

1 hour ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I don't see him falling off out of top 5 though.

I dont either.

I'm just saying hes not the top TE on my draft board.

[weepaws 3,035]

If some of those reports that I’ve been reading about the Saints T Hill is true, he could be a target of mine, even before the double digit rounds. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

If some of those reports that I’ve been reading about the Saints T Hill is true, he could be a target of mine, even before the double digit rounds. 

He'll have a few monster games every season but will kill you if you start him every week. You really can't even depend on him to be your TE2. 

I wouldn't be against having him on the end of my bench but I wouldn't reach, it's too risky with him. 

[GobbleDog 919]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

If some of those reports that I’ve been reading about the Saints T Hill is true, he could be a target of mine, even before the double digit rounds. 

If I could be assured of getting Brock Bowers in the 8th round... I'd take it. I've mock drafted him several times there, but when it's down to him and Ferguson in the 7th, I often chicken out and take Ferguson.

But for people like you who have no fear of "missing out on a great Te"... Bowers should absolutely be on your radar. He's not quite double-digit rounds, but darn close. Read up on Bowers... perhaps the post I made on the previous page. You'll be intrigued. Or should be. Might be LaPorta 2.0.

[weepaws 3,035]

He’s going to be a darn good one, maybe, could start out slowly with Mayer still on the team, it’s going to be interesting to see how they use both of those talented Te, plus I’m not so excited the team in general, so I’ll let someone else handle Bowers.  

In most, Not all most mocks I’ve done on espn, Bowers has been in the double digit rounds.  

Sure like Hill, from what I’ve been reading, the Saints have been giving Hill more Qb package, I’m on board.  If I can get my te to score some Qb points,  I’ll be very happy ff champion.   

[listen2me 23 1,767]

On 6/23/2024 at 3:35 PM, GobbleDog said:

80+ receptions for Kincaid looks like a given and possibly more. I worry about Tds with Allen running for so many, but not enough for me to fade him. I also like Pitts, Kittle and Ferguson. I'd be happy with any of them. For once, the Te position seems especially deep this year.

It looks like Kincaid won't be under the radar.   So not sure his value.  But I am high on him.  Catches absolutely.   He may approach 100 of healthy.  And from what I have seen/heard he is being targeted a ton in RZ drills in camp.  Allen is a vulture, bit of his 30 or so TD passes, someone will have to catch them.  He may not have super high TD upside but he should find the endzone mich more this year.  Coming out Kincaid looked like a RZ monster with his ability to make great catches in traffic.   

He may not be value come drafting as hes going higher than I had hoped.  But he should be rock solid in PPR leagues with a nice ceiling to go along with it.  

[GobbleDog 919]

On 6/18/2024 at 3:38 PM, weepaws said:

Awful Thread.  No te needs to be drafted in the single digit rounds.  Darn it.  

I got your back Weepaw - I found your last pick of the draft Te...  Colts 2022 third-rd pick out of Virginia - Jelani Woods. Sparingly used his rookie year on an abominable team finishing with just 25 rec and 3 Tds. Missed all of last year due to a hamstring, which is why he's now ranked Te 29. But that's a mistake.

His RAS (relative athletic score) coming out of college?  That would be a perfect 10.0 ... in the history of the RAS dating back to 1987, Woods ranks first among 998 Te's. He's a giant standing at 6'7" 253 lbs which makes an easy target for Richardson and a nightmare for secondaries to tackle. Now entering his third year which is often when Te's start to blow up and he's got virtually no competition at the Te position (Mo Alie-Cox & Kylen Granson).

[weepaws 3,035]

3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

It looks like Kincaid won't be under the radar.   So not sure his value.  But I am high on him.  Catches absolutely.   He may approach 100 of healthy.  And from what I have seen/heard he is being targeted a ton in RZ drills in camp.  Allen is a vulture, bit of his 30 or so TD passes, someone will have to catch them.  He may not have super high TD upside but he should find the endzone mich more this year.  Coming out Kincaid looked like a RZ monster with his ability to make great catches in traffic.   

He may not be value come drafting as hes going higher than I had hoped.  But he should be rock solid in PPR leagues with a nice ceiling to go along with it.  

Keep reading reports that both Knox and Kincaid have been splitting the te slot for Buffalo.   To early to say that will continue, but.  

[weepaws 3,035]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I got your back Weepaw - I found your last pick of the draft Te...  Colts 2022 third-rd pick out of Virginia - Jelani Woods. Sparingly used his rookie year on an abominable team finishing with just 25 rec and 3 Tds. Missed all of last year due to a hamstring, which is why he's now ranked Te 29. But that's a mistake.

His RAS (relative athletic score) coming out of college?  That would be a perfect 10.0 ... in the history of the RAS dating back to 1987, Woods ranks first among 998 Te's. He's a giant standing at 6'7" 253 lbs which makes an easy target for Richardson and a nightmare for secondaries to tackle. Now entering his third year which is often when Te's start to blow up and he's got virtually no competition at the Te position (Mo Alie-Cox & Kylen Granson).

He’s one of many choices, but I’m just looking for a one week load, and then stream matchup, until I find a keeper.  Ferguson was that guy last season, he wasn’t even drafted.  Always one sitting there that’s going to make my day.  

[listen2me 23 1,767]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Keep reading reports that both Knox and Kincaid have been splitting the te slot for Buffalo.   To early to say that will continue, but.  

Not sure what this means.  Yea id assume they run a lot of 12 personnel this year.   As far as splitting snaps, no.  

[WhiteWonder 2,536]

I’ll wait for the Kincaid engram area 

[weepaws 3,035]

I’ll wait until the double digit rounds, draft one cause I’m supposed to, then stream until I land another Ferguson.  It’s the winning move.  Thanks 

 

[GobbleDog 919]

On 7/28/2024 at 12:45 PM, weepaws said:

Keep reading reports that both Knox and Kincaid have been splitting the te slot for Buffalo.   To early to say that will continue, but.  

Fantasy land wants to totally write off Knox, but that might not be reality. One reason Kincaid got so many targets last year was Knox broke his wrist Week 5 and played through it for two more weeks, before hitting IR for surgery and missing the next five.

Given the lack of air weapons at Bills disposal, Knox could end up with way more targets than Kincaid drafters would like.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

On 7/28/2024 at 7:31 PM, weepaws said:

I’ll wait until the double digit rounds, draft one cause I’m supposed to, then stream until I land another Ferguson.  It’s the winning move.  Thanks 

 

Patty Muth.... get him in the 12th rd and forget about needing to stream (until he gets hurt at least).  

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

They didn't draft Kincaid to block. 

[GobbleDog 919]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They didn't draft Kincaid to block. 

Knox went on IR starting Week 8. Prior 7 games.... Knox 28 targets, Kincaid 27 targets.... Kincaid did miss a game during that span (concussion).

When Knox came back Week 14, Kincaid out-targeted the rest of the season 27 to 8. Was it because Kincaid completely took the job, or attributable to Knox's long absence and coming off IR ?

Who knows, but one thing is certain, the Bills need reliable hands this year. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

12 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Who knows, but one thing is certain, the Bills need reliable hands this year. 

They have over 200 targets up for grabs with Diggs and Big Game Gabe gone. 

Load up 

[weepaws 3,035]

1 hour ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Patty Muth.... get him in the 12th rd and forget about needing to stream (until he gets hurt at least).  

On the list, but those injuries are always a worry.  

[GobbleDog 919]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Big Game Gabe

Never heard that nickname.

Reminds me of Big Shot Bob - Robert Horry who by the end of his career mostly came in to drain monster 3-pointers in the playoffs - and did, time after time.

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

24 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Reminds me of Big Shot Bob - Robert Horry

Hell Yeah! 

[IGotWorms 4,053]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

Knox went on IR starting Week 8. Prior 7 games.... Knox 28 targets, Kincaid 27 targets.... Kincaid did miss a game during that span (concussion).

When Knox came back Week 14, Kincaid out-targeted the rest of the season 27 to 8. Was it because Kincaid completely took the job, or attributable to Knox's long absence and coming off IR ?

Who knows, but one thing is certain, the Bills need reliable hands this year. 

Kincaid was a rookie, makes sense it would take him a while to come on.

I like him this year and I’m not too concerned about Knox

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Kincaid was a rookie, makes sense it would take him a while to come on.

I like him this year and I’m not too concerned about Knox

Knox isn't cutting into anyone's production. 

[GobbleDog 919]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Kincaid was a rookie, makes sense it would take him a while to come on.

I like him this year and I’m not too concerned about Knox

Neither were Pitts drafters last year about Jonnu Smith, but he sure ate into the targets.

I'm obviously a little more concerned about Knox than others. No idea where the targets finish, but it's something to consider.

[IGotWorms 4,053]

15 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Neither were Pitts drafters last year about Jonnu Smith, but he sure ate into the targets.

I'm obviously a little more concerned about Knox than others. No idea where the targets finish, but it's something to consider.

Pitts’ main problem was he had a sh1t QB. And Arthur Smith

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Pitts’ main problem was he had a sh1t QB. And Arthur Smith

I want to believe that Pitts can play, but I'm not really sure anymore. He's not the type who demands targets. 

Hopefully Cousins resurrects his talent. Excuse time is over. 

[GobbleDog 919]

10 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Hopefully Cousins resurrects his talent. Excuse time is over. 

Excuses are finished. But reasons to be optimistic with Jonnu Smith gone (70 targets) and given what Cousins did with Hockenson.

Pitts had 90 targets last year.... only 57 were charted as catchable. That's not good.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:25 PM, kcBlitzkrieg said:

He was 2 yards per reception below his career average last year at 10.  Never had a previous season less than 12 ypr.  Targets were lowest of Mahomes era.  TDs tied for 2nd lowest of career.  

We all know Mahomes was forced into the dink and dunk style passing attack without any legitimate deep threats last season.  Kelce was the only real offense before you saw Rashee step into his breakout role last year.  I could see Kelce getting a TD bump and his ypr going back towards his career average of 12 due to the additions of Brown and Worthy.  They had no threat of this factor with MVS and Mecole.  I think that changes this year, opening up the underneath stuff for Kelce and Rice.  Kelce targets will be even or regress slightly.  

Last year he was tied for 1st in fppg, finished 3rd missing 2 games.  I don't see him falling off out of top 5 though....Negative age regression with potential for positive game flow on the reverse side leads to a top 5 fantasy finish.  But as you said, just not the hands down overall TE1.  

 

Warmed up a bit on Kelce.... no issue with anyone taking him as #1 TE.  He was not healthy to start the season last year and yes, looked beat up and "lost a step".  He has not looked that way in camp and offensively, everything I said above would lead to a line resembling 135 targets / 100+ catches / double digit TDs.  Overall TE1.   Mahomes is going for 5k and 40 this year, Rashee and Kelce are gonna eat.  Hell even Worthy, dude is much better route runner than Mecole, MVS or any other deep threat in KC since Tyreek.  Andy playing with him like Desean junior....gonna be a fun season to watch this Chiefs offense again.  

 

[Ray_T 722]

41 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

 

Warmed up a bit on Kelce.... no issue with anyone taking him as #1 TE.  He was not healthy to start the season last year and yes, looked beat up and "lost a step".  He has not looked that way in camp and offensively, everything I said above would lead to a line resembling 135 targets / 100+ catches / double digit TDs.  Overall TE1.   Mahomes is going for 5k and 40 this year, Rashee and Kelce are gonna eat.  Hell even Worthy, dude is much better route runner than Mecole, MVS or any other deep threat in KC since Tyreek.  Andy playing with him like Desean junior....gonna be a fun season to watch this Chiefs offense again.  

 

agreed.  the offense as a whole is better than its been in a couple years.

and the presence of a legit deep threat will open things up for Kelce, but Kelce has lost a half step too.

in the end it will be close to a wash but I have Kelce around TE3/4 overall depending on scoring rules.  I do not have him ranked as the #1 TE in any format

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

agreed.  the offense as a whole is better than its been in a couple years.

and the presence of a legit deep threat will open things up for Kelce, but Kelce has lost a half step too.

in the end it will be close to a wash but I have Kelce around TE3/4 overall depending on scoring rules.  I do not have him ranked as the #1 TE in any format

lost a bit for sure, we've seen that coming last couple years but Mahomes still loves him and Kelce/Rashee are targets 1A / 1B.  PPR I'd put him above LaPorta.   

Who is your #1 ??  

[Ray_T 722]

15 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

lost a bit for sure, we've seen that coming last couple years but Mahomes still loves him and Kelce/Rashee are targets 1A / 1B.  PPR I'd put him above LaPorta.   

Who is your #1 ??  

LaPorta

[weepaws 3,035]

My big Te target is T Hill,   Double digit round te, with very good upside,  he’s going to play a lot of rb imo, J Williams from what I’ve been reading has looked very avg, KMiller isn’t doing anything, And Kamara isn’t tough like he once was.   

[DocNiner 58]

On 6/18/2024 at 3:31 PM, GobbleDog said:

Might as well keep the trend going. Rankings per FantasyPros ppr:

1) Sam LaPorta played 17 games with 120 tar - 86 rec, 869 yds, and 10 Tds, finishing 1st (weeks 1-17). The former 2nd rounder out of Iowa had the greatest rookie Te season of all-time. The Lions threw 606 times with St. Brown and LaPorta accounting for a whopping 47% of those targets. Nothing much changed in Detroit and considering how efficient the offense was they'll almost certainly stick to the same game plan. LaPorta may have a slight softmore slump given how incredible he was, but overall the healthy 23 yo might be a slightly safer pick than Kelce.

2) Travis Kelce  played 15 games with 121 tar - 93 rec, 984 yds, and 5 Tds, finishing 2nd. Was 1st in '22 and 2nd in '21. The Td dip was unusual with the prior three years of 12, 9 and 11 Tds.  Sign of things to come or anomaly?  Kelce turns 35 soon but has been one of the most durable Te's during his 10-year career. KC did sign Wr Brown and drafted Wr Worthy with a 1st rounder, so it's unknown if they effect Kelce's target share, but a dramatic scheme shift seems unlikely. If it ain't broke...

3) Trey McBride played 17 games with 106 tar - 81 rec, 825 yds, and 3 Tds, finishing 8th. Was 42nd in '22 even though he only missed 1 game... just lacked rec and Tds. Clearly the lofty ranking is based on the theory that a healthy Kyler Murray improves the stats, which makes sense - based on the 8 games they played together last year, McBride's stats over 17 games projected to 112 rec, 1,143 yds and 4.3 Tds - impressive. However, it should be noted the offense had lots of injuries and McBride definitely benefited. Wr Brown is gone, replaced by 1st rounder Wr Harrison who's supposedly NFL-ready immediately and the Cards drafted Rb Benson with a 3rd rounder, so who knows how the offense is going to look. The Cards aren't projected to be very good, so maybe playing catch-up helps the passing game, but could hurt overall scoring.

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4) Mark Andrews played 10 games with 61 tar - 45 rec, 544 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 11th. Was 3rd in '22 and 1st in '21. During week 11 tore ankle ligament (grd 3) and broke fibula; Returned in late January playoffs getting 2 tar - 2 rec, 15 yds, and 0 Tds. Stats for 17 games projected to 77 rec, 925 yds and 10.2 Tds - a top 3 finish. Turns 29 in September and was fairly durable during his 6-year career until last season. Was Lamar Jackson's top target the past three years, until the injury led to rookie Flowers finishing with 108 targets. The Ravens signed Rb Henry and are expected to remain one of the more run-heavy teams. Didn't learn much from the one playoff game, so it's unclear if the injury has lingering effects or if he'll continue dominating target share now that Flowers has blossomed. punz

5) Dalton Kincaid played 16 games with 91 tar - 73 rec, 673 yds, and 2 Tds, finishing 12th. The former 1st round pick had a solid rookie season and likely overtook Dawson Knox as the lead Te. Knox was very productive in '21 (71 rec, 9 Tds) with the stats falling some in '22, and his least production in '23 - though missed 4 games. Bills lost Wr's Diggs - Davis, but signed Wr Samuel and drafted Wr Coleman 2nd rd. The ranking obviously assumes Kincaid will get many of those vacated targets and improves in year two. But there's a chance Knox isn't totally out of the picture yet. There's also Allen rushing so many Tds which can hurt both Rb and Te production as they typically score around the goal line. Qbs with high rushing Tds in recent years haven't typically had Te's scoring very often - Eagles Te's is a great example, Bills Te's last year, Bears Justin Fields in '22, I could go on, etc. Knox's 9 Tds in '21 is a bit of an anomaly. Ya might think Andrews bucks the trend, but statistically Jackson hasn't rushed for many Tds in recent years. On the flip side look at Kelce and LaPorta's Td stats with Qbs that almost never rush for Tds. Food for thought.

6) Evan Engram played 17 games with 143 tar - 114 rec, 963 yds, and 4 Tds, finishing 4th. Was 5th in '22, after spending four seasons floundering with the Giants. Engram's 143 targets ranked #1 among Te's (by wide margin) and 12th in the entire league. Incredible volume, but lacked Tds similar to '22 with 98 targets, but only 4 Tds. Engram had an average distance of target (adot) of just 5.0 yds, explaining his inefficient 8.4 yd/rec last year which was 2nd lowest among all Te's with 30+ receptions. Jags lost Calvin Ridley and signed Wr Gabe Davis, along with spending a 1st rounder on Wr Brian Thomas Jr. which could create target competition. Engram turns 30 soon and it's hard to imagine still improving at this point. Overall seems like a somewhat safe pick as Lawrence uses him as a safety blanket and should feed enough volume to keep him top 10 relevant. Just not sure about the upside as Engram doesn't seem to be overly-talented and isn't on a very high-scoring team which can vault him into the top 5 (short of insane volume like last year). Also worry coaches might start scheming differently considering the inefficient stats, and mediocre success all that volume amounted to in recent years.

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7) Kyle Pitts played 17 games with 90 tar - 53 rec, 667 yds, and 1 Td, finishing 14th. Was 31st in '22 (missed games), and 5th in '21 (rookie season). Falcons lost Te Smith (70 tar last year) and Qb Ridder, but signed Kurt Cousins (made Hockensen great). Most importantly, coach Arthur Smith and his run heavy / pass-hating schemes are gone, along with the former o-coordinator. After burning drafters for years, Pitts is now in the best situation he's ever had with a proven Qb, less Te competition, and pass-friendly offense. Everything points to a huge uptick. but Pitts has disappointed so often nothing would shock. I'm inclined to blame the previous situation and hope Pitts still has the elite talent that made him the highest drafted Te in NFL history.

8)) George Kittle played 16 games with 90 tar - 65 rec, 1,020 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 5th. Was 4th in '22, and 3rd in '21. Been very consistent in recent years and Shanahan has a penchant for spreading the ball to his four best targets nearly evenly - McCaff (83 tar), Deebo (89 tar), and Aiyuk (105 tar), fairly similar to '22 stats. Everyone worried Purdy's magical ride might fall off a cliff, but that hasn't panned out. Not much changed in San Fran, the only real concern is Kittle will soon be 31, but he's only missed a handful of games in recent years. Stats - remember Engram's ridiculous low yd/rec... Kittle had the highest of any Te with 15+ rec at 15.7; 4th highest yac per rec at 7.4; Finished #2 in ADOT. Certainly doesn't seem to be slowing down.

9) David Njoku played 16 games with 123 tar - 81 rec, 882 yds, and 6 Tds, finishing 6th. Was 15th in '22 (missed games), and 22nd in '21. Njoku is coming off a career year, but there's a big problem here. Njoku got the vast majority of those stats with Joe Flacco at Qb (ya know, they guy who didn't have a job until the Colts signed him as backup last week). The six games Deshaun Watson was qb, Njoku averaged just 4.2 rec, 38 yds, and 0.2 Tds per game. Watson was equally bad in '21 and it's becoming apparent the man is mentally broke. Anyone drafting Njoku is either hoping for a miraculous Watson turnaround, or the Browns outright bench the highest paid player in the NFL. Neither seem very likely. And it's not like Njoku is an amazing young talent... he's about to turn 28 and has had a fairly forgettable career.

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10) Jake Ferguson played 17 games with 102 tar - 71 rec, 761 yds, and 5 Tds, finishing 9th. Was 46th in '22 (barely involved as rookie). The former 4th rd pick out of Big Wisky was solid last season and finished 2nd in targets far behind CeeDee, but surprisingly 21 targets more than #2 Wr Cooks. It wasn't like there were lots of Wr/Te injuries with no choice but to target to Ferguson - they were all healthy. He obviously earned the roll and the Cowboys were happy to keep him heavily involved. Cowboys lost Pollard (67 tar), but signed Zeke which seems like a wash. Not much else changed in Dallas with the same coach and o-coordinator. Seems like he should safely get another top 10 finish with potential for much higher as Te's often dramatically improve in their 3rd year and the Tds might inch up a bit as well.

The list is fine. Just a few I'd move around. Kittle to #6 and Ferguson to #8. I'd bump TE Engram out of the top 10 and put in rookie TE Brock Bowers. He's just.too talented to get a ton of targets. Bowers will.finish in the top 10 for TEs.

[ThatDude 12]

Ferguson finishes top 5

[weepaws 3,035]

34 minutes ago, ThatDude said:

Ferguson finishes top 5

He was very close last seasons, wouldn’t be a surprise. 

[BuschWack 59]

On 6/18/2024 at 1:38 PM, weepaws said:

Awful Thread.  No te needs to be drafted in the single digit rounds.  Darn it.  

But yet, you've posted 17x on it.  

God Bless.

 

[weepaws 3,035]

1 hour ago, BuschWack said:

But yet, you've posted 17x on it.  

God Bless.

 

Keeping  the conversation going.  18x Times. 

[Chickie 74]

Kincaid breakout. Allen will look for Kincaid inside the 10.

[blackhawks 5]

Just curious if any other leagues have done this.

drafted last night in my cbs sports league. Grabbed T. Hill(NO) late in the draft. Not thinking about it I noticed after the draft that Hill is NOT listed as a TE. He is listed as a QB….anyone else notice this in any other leagues?

just to verify, I looked and NO has him listed as a TE on their depth chart….why would cbs do that and is their a way to change that so that it reflects the real world?