the other RBs

[Super Cubs 152]

What are your thoughts on the mid round RBs? Do you view any of them as breakout candidates? feel free to committ on any mid rounder you think will do well or are there anyone you're staying away from?

Zack Moss, Gus Edwards, David Montgomery, Jovante Williams,  D'Andre Swift, Tyjae Spears, Tony Pollard, Nick Chubb, others

[weepaws 3,035]

Montgomery ADP is a steal.  Mostert is another.  N Harris I think will rebound, he will retake the lead rb1 slot. 

[makindollaz 51]

I like Ekeler at his ADP.  Wouldn’t want him as my RB1 or 2, but think he could be useful as a FLX or bye week fill in play.

[weepaws 3,035]

I’m going the other way, I like B Robinson over Ekler.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

34 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Montgomery ADP is a steal

Agree, he's always a steal. 

Let's not forget about Jonathan Brooks. He's probably a hair later but a possible league winner by season's end. I want shares of him everywhere 

[IGotWorms 4,053]

I like Brooks, Jones, Stevenson, Swift, Connor and Ekeler.

Brooks - sh1tty offense, yes, but talented RB1 w/ basically no competition in house. I’m taking that all day.

Jones - still very good, no competition, yeah Vikes offense may suck too but he’ll get his

Stevenson - was pretty good last year even though NE’s offense has been an absolute dumpster fire the last two seasons. Nowhere to go but up 

Swift - should be in a pretty good offense. Won’t have hurts stealing all the TDs this year. Does have competition at RB but he’s the only (at least onetime) blue chipper

Connor - every year he over performs. His metrics were great last year

Ekeler - this is a gamble that last season was due to a lingering injury and not him falling off a cliff. Worth a shot imo 

[IGotWorms 4,053]

Montgomery, won’t he take more of a backseat to Gibbs this year? I am fading him for sure 

[weepaws 3,035]

20 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I like Brooks, Jones, Stevenson, Swift, Connor and Ekeler.

Brooks - sh1tty offense, yes, but talented RB1 w/ basically no competition in house. I’m taking that all day.

Jones - still very good, no competition, yeah Vikes offense may suck too but he’ll get his

Stevenson - was pretty good last year even though NE’s offense has been an absolute dumpster fire the last two seasons. Nowhere to go but up 

Swift - should be in a pretty good offense. Won’t have hurts stealing all the TDs this year. Does have competition at RB but he’s the only (at least onetime) blue chipper

Connor - every year he over performs. His metrics were great last year

Ekeler - this is a gamble that last season was due to a lingering injury and not him falling off a cliff. Worth a shot imo 

Chandler is competition for A Jones.  Agree about Stevenson, Brooks is another good pick, when his he due back? Swift I’m passing on, with a rookie Qb and so many other playmakers I’m passing. Conner is going to good while healthy, once he’s injured, Benson will take his job imo.  

Ekeker, not interested in a quitter. I would rather have Robinson.  

 

[weepaws 3,035]

21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Montgomery, won’t he take more of a backseat to Gibbs this year? I am fading him for sure 

Backseat, I don’t see why, I think they have a plan to use Gibbs more in the slot, which should allow for Montgomery to continue from last season,   Montgomery will be the short yardage goal line rb.  His ADP is fantastic.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

35 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

chipper

Connor - every year he over performs. His metrics were great last year

Agree but be prepared to get Trey Benson as well. 

[Showboat 249]

34 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Montgomery, won’t he take more of a backseat to Gibbs this year? I am fading him for sure 

This Lions regime has always employed an RBBC.  I see no reason why Monty won't still be the primary early down/short yardage back.  I expect both Monty and Gibbs to finish the season with 1000+ total yards and ~10 TDs each.  That's great value for a mid-round pick, but perhaps a bit disappointing for those expecting a top 5 RB stats from Gibbs.

[Showboat 249]

Moss and Pollard both signed big (for RB) free agent contracts, but I expect they will both give way to their younger competition (Brown and Spears) as the season wears on (and the Moss contract has a reasonable "out" after only 1 year).  If either of these guys has a fast start, they could be good "sell high" candidates on the trade market.

Chubb is certainly worth a mid-round gamble.  Knowing when you need to pull the trigger is all about knowing your league.  

[jrokh 597]

Spears will establish himself as the rb1 in Tennessee...

[GobbleDog 919]

Pick 57) Kenneth Walker - out-carried Charbonnet by a large margin and got bulk of goal line. O-line not great, but can't have everything at this point.

Pick 62) Aaron Jones - really good, while healthy. Receptions help consistency.

Pick 65) Rhamondre Stevenson - great bounce-back candidate. Patriots gave fat 4-year deal. Expect heavy workload and all goal line.

Pick 71) David Montgomery - 12th in pts per game. Gibbs was 7th. I'll take the huge discount.

Pick 75) Zamir White - One my favorites and probably reach early. Vegas coach on record about love for work-horse backs.

Pick 89) Raheem Mostert - second highest scoring Rb with 21 Tds. Not again, but... half? 10+- Tds, 200+- carries and some receptions. Pick 89.?. Insane.

Pick 95) Zack Moss - look what Bengals volume did for washed up Mixon. I don't believe in Chase.

Pick 105) Devin Singletary - Crappy team, but work-horse with no competition. Metrics pretty good.

Pick 111) Johanthon Brooks - torn acl worries, but if/when healthy could contend for OROY given sick talent.

Pick 121) Gus Edwards - never thought Edwards was special, but he's getting paid, it's pick 121 and lead back for Harbaugh.

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Lotto -  Pick 135) Trey Benson, Pick 146) Kendre Miller, Pick 155) Jaleel McLaughlin, Pick 226) Kimani Vidal

[kilroy69 1,163]

I think Gus Edwards is going to thrive in Harbaugs run first offense 

[IGotWorms 4,053]

58 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Spears will establish himself as the rb1 in Tennessee...

I like him as a value pick. Everyone was super high on him before Tennessee signed pollard. But if spears is actually good then the pollard signing should not matter too much. Yes he will split time but that was always going to be the case, especially given spears’ size and injury history from college. Anyway he’s not finishing top ten but maybe he ends up a good fantasy RB2

[weepaws 3,035]

44 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I think Gus Edwards is going to thrive in Harbaugs run first offense 

How much do you think he’s going to thrive? 

[kilroy69 1,163]

49 minutes ago, weepaws said:

How much do you think he’s going to thrive? 

I think he will put up 10-12 tds. Not a RB1 but a solid rb2

[weepaws 3,035]

22 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I think he will put up 10-12 tds. Not a RB1 but a solid rb2

Thank you.  

[polecatt 472]

I don't put much thought into these guys at all.

They're not really any different than the 2nd tier and beyond of TEs.

 

[GobbleDog 919]

9 hours ago, polecatt said:

I don't put much thought into these guys at all.

They're not really any different than the 2nd tier and beyond of TEs.

Where last year's top 15 Rb's (Weeks 1-17 ppr) were actually drafted:

1) McCaff 1st rd pick 4                                 9) Kamara 4th rd pick 48

2) Etienne 3rd rd pick 29                              10) Henry 1st rd pick 10

3) Mostert 10th rd pick 111                         11) J. Cook 5th rd pick 54

4) Hall 4th rd pick 46                                    12) B. Robinson 1st rd pick 8

5) K. Williams 15th rd pick 169                  13) Pacheco 7th rd pick 76

6) R. White 4th rd pick 47                            14) Ford 17th rd pick 199

7) Mixon 2nd rd pick 20                               15) Pollard 1st rd pick 12

8)) Gibbs 3rd rd pick 31

Der's gold out there. Just have to mine it. 

[polecatt 472]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

Where last year's top 15 Rb's (Weeks 1-17 ppr) were actually drafted:

1) McCaff 1st rd pick 4                                 9) Kamara 4th rd pick 48

2) Etienne 3rd rd pick 29                              10) Henry 1st rd pick 10

3) Mostert 10th rd pick 111                         11) J. Cook 5th rd pick 54

4) Hall 4th rd pick 46                                    12) B. Robinson 1st rd pick 8

5) K. Williams 15th rd pick 169                  13) Pacheco 7th rd pick 76

6) R. White 4th rd pick 47                            14) Ford 17th rd pick 199

7) Mixon 2nd rd pick 20                               15) Pollard 1st rd pick 12

8)) Gibbs 3rd rd pick 31

Der's gold out there. Just have to mine it. 

Exactly!

Fairly even distribution throughout the rounds of decent RBs.

Also, outside of the top 6 or 7 or so, you would probably do about as well, week to week, playing waiver wire roulette as you would starting any of these guys... 

[GobbleDog 919]

2 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Fairly even distribution throughout the rounds of decent RBs.

Looks more like "random distribution" to me. 4 of the top five came from rounds 3 to 15. Only 2 first-round Rbs actually finished top ten, and just one (McCaff) lived up to expectation as Henry was Rb5.

Rb variance makes it too risky to invest my most valuable draft capital. I prefer Quantity later, over Quality early. Shotgun middle-rounds and see which one's turn into gems. Preserve early picks for more predictable positions.

[TBayXXXVII 2,409]

14 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I think he will put up 10-12 tds. Not a RB1 but a solid rb2

Last year, Edwards was RB25 and had 13 TD's, so your prediction of 10 to 12 is close enough to ignore a "drop off".  Prior to last year, Edwards averaged at least 5 ypc every year, but only averaged about 10 carries per game.  Last year he averaged 11.6 which was the first time since his rookie season where he average double digit carries per game.  He's never been a pass catcher.  So, when you say he's going to "thrive", are you expecting more carries per game and... maybe 4.5 ypc (or more)?  Essentially, you're expecting him to be a little more consistent with slightly more production (considering a small drop in TD's)?

Ekeler is gone.  Kelley is gone.  I have little to no expectations from Spillar.  So, the only competition for real carries is Dobbins.  Dobbins, when he actually played, was more productive than Edwards.  Do you think that Dobbins health is the only thing preventing Edwards from a bigger season?

I don't really follow the Chargers closely, just wanting to see what you're hearing/thinking on that situation.  I have Herbert in a keeper league and I'm most likely not keeping him, keeping Stroud, but I could always go back into the draft and get Herbert back (2 QB league).

[polecatt 472]

51 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Looks more like "random distribution" to me. 4 of the top five came from rounds 3 to 15. Only 2 first-round Rbs actually finished top ten, and just one (McCaff) lived up to expectation as Henry was Rb5.

Rb variance makes it too risky to invest my most valuable draft capital. I prefer Quantity later, over Quality early. Shotgun middle-rounds and see which one's turn into gems. Preserve early picks for more predictable positions.

Yes!

That's what I was trying to say

 

[GobbleDog 919]

26 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Last year, Edwards was RB25 and had 13 TD's, so your prediction of 10 to 12 is close enough to ignore a "drop off". 

Coach Harbaugh - known for pounding the ball, of course hires o-coordinator Greg Roman who from '19 to '22 made Baltimore a top five rushing team every season.  Chargers lose both top receiving options and basically have no Te worth mentioning.  So one thing is quite clear - the Chargers are going to run, run, and run some more.

In comes 29 yo injury plagued Gus Edwards with a pathetic 30 total receptions over a 5-year career. I was thrilled to get Edwards off waivers after Mitchell went down last year and immediately Youtubed Gus's highlights. Color me disappointment. Plods forward until touched, then falls down. And those were the "highlights."

Next... JK Dobbins who had ACL/LCL tears in '21, and then the dreaded Achilles tear last year - death nail for Rbs. Signed a dirt cheap 1-year contract (paltry $50k guaranteed). Might not make the team if doesn't impress in training camp.

Next... 6th rd pick out of Troy - bowling ball Kimani Vidal.

What a maddening situation. A team guaranteed to run the hell out of the ball, with nobody great to tote the rock. Out of principle I'll have to draft Gus if he actually falls to 9th/10th rd, but I won't be proud of it. Rather hoping to get Vidal with the last pick of the draft.

[wolves111 94]

6 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Coach Harbaugh - known for pounding the ball, of course hires o-coordinator Greg Roman who from '19 to '22 made Baltimore a top five rushing team every season.  Chargers lose both top receiving options and basically have no Te worth mentioning.  So one thing is quite clear - the Chargers are going to run, run, and run some more.

In comes 29 yo injury plagued Gus Edwards with a pathetic 30 total receptions over a 5-year career. I was thrilled to get Edwards off waivers after Mitchell went down last year and immediately Youtubed Gus's highlights. Color me disappointment. Plods forward until touched, then falls down. And those were the "highlights."

Next... JK Dobbins who had ACL/LCL tears in '21, and then the dreaded Achilles tear last year - death nail for Rbs. Signed a dirt cheap 1-year contract (paltry $50k guaranteed). Might not make the team if doesn't impress in training camp.

Next... 6th rd pick out of Troy - bowling ball Kimani Vidal.

What a maddening situation. A team guaranteed to run the hell out of the ball, with nobody great to tote the rock. Out of principle I'll have to draft Gus if he actually falls to 9th/10th rd, but I won't be proud of it. Rather hoping to get Vidal with the last pick of the draft.

All good points. Unless they plan on throwing a lot of play action to the rookie and Palmer. Which isn't very appealing either. Harbaugh will be checking the waiver wire next month or making a trade. They can't be serious with that group of RB's.

[weepaws 3,035]

4 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Where last year's top 15 Rb's (Weeks 1-17 ppr) were actually drafted:

1) McCaff 1st rd pick 4                                 9) Kamara 4th rd pick 48

2) Etienne 3rd rd pick 29                              10) Henry 1st rd pick 10

3) Mostert 10th rd pick 111                         11) J. Cook 5th rd pick 54

4) Hall 4th rd pick 46                                    12) B. Robinson 1st rd pick 8

5) K. Williams 15th rd pick 169                  13) Pacheco 7th rd pick 76

6) R. White 4th rd pick 47                            14) Ford 17th rd pick 199

7) Mixon 2nd rd pick 20                               15) Pollard 1st rd pick 12

8)) Gibbs 3rd rd pick 31

Der's gold out there. Just have to mine it. 

Depending on league  structure.  

[weepaws 3,035]

19 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Coach Harbaugh - known for pounding the ball, of course hires o-coordinator Greg Roman who from '19 to '22 made Baltimore a top five rushing team every season.  Chargers lose both top receiving options and basically have no Te worth mentioning.  So one thing is quite clear - the Chargers are going to run, run, and run some more.

In comes 29 yo injury plagued Gus Edwards with a pathetic 30 total receptions over a 5-year career. I was thrilled to get Edwards off waivers after Mitchell went down last year and immediately Youtubed Gus's highlights. Color me disappointment. Plods forward until touched, then falls down. And those were the "highlights."

Next... JK Dobbins who had ACL/LCL tears in '21, and then the dreaded Achilles tear last year - death nail for Rbs. Signed a dirt cheap 1-year contract (paltry $50k guaranteed). Might not make the team if doesn't impress in training camp.

Next... 6th rd pick out of Troy - bowling ball Kimani Vidal.

What a maddening situation. A team guaranteed to run the hell out of the ball, with nobody great to tote the rock. Out of principle I'll have to draft Gus if he actually falls to 9th/10th rd, but I won't be proud of it. Rather hoping to get Vidal with the last pick of the draft.

Lol , doesn’t look pretty. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

48 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Coach Harbaugh - known for pounding the ball, of course hires o-coordinator Greg Roman who from '19 to '22 made Baltimore a top five rushing team every season.  Chargers lose both top receiving options and basically have no Te worth mentioning.  So one thing is quite clear - the Chargers are going to run, run, and run some more.

In comes 29 yo injury plagued Gus Edwards with a pathetic 30 total receptions over a 5-year career. I was thrilled to get Edwards off waivers after Mitchell went down last year and immediately Youtubed Gus's highlights. Color me disappointment. Plods forward until touched, then falls down. And those were the "highlights."

Next... JK Dobbins who had ACL/LCL tears in '21, and then the dreaded Achilles tear last year - death nail for Rbs. Signed a dirt cheap 1-year contract (paltry $50k guaranteed). Might not make the team if doesn't impress in training camp.

Next... 6th rd pick out of Troy - bowling ball Kimani Vidal.

What a maddening situation. A team guaranteed to run the hell out of the ball, with nobody great to tote the rock. Out of principle I'll have to draft Gus if he actually falls to 9th/10th rd, but I won't be proud of it. Rather hoping to get Vidal with the last pick of the draft.

Vidal could be the starter sooner than later 

[wolves111 94]

19 hours ago, Showboat said:

This Lions regime has always employed an RBBC.  I see no reason why Monty won't still be the primary early down/short yardage back.  I expect both Monty and Gibbs to finish the season with 1000+ total yards and ~10 TDs each.  That's great value for a mid-round pick, but perhaps a bit disappointing for those expecting a top 5 RB stats from Gibbs.

I had Montgomery last year. He missed three complete games, injured in two where he played about a quarter, and the second half of the season he was playing about 42% of the snaps.

Yes, he finished with 13 tds. But he's 27 years old with a lot of wear and tear. I'd rather go for the homerun with Gibbs and grab Mostert at his adp which is trending now at 85. 

[GobbleDog 919]

19 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Vidal could be the starter sooner than later 

Harbaugh did personally select him (albeit 6th rd), and supposedly that bowling ball - low to ground running style is what he likes. Scouts say Vidal is a decent receiver, but didn't do it much at Troy as that wasn't their game. Finished #2 in forced missed tackles among Rbs last year.  Might take over the top spot by out-performing, or pure necessity due to injuries... both seem reasonably possible.

[weepaws 3,035]

D Montgomery ppr adp is 78, fantastic adp.  

[GobbleDog 919]

Zamir White not getting enough love. "Raiders suck and Minshew is Qb... no thanks" - I get it. Coach Antonio Pierce loves bell-horses and work-cows... whatever. As interim last year he talked about wanting his Rb (then Jacobs) to get the "magic number of 20+ carries per game." He followed through on that claim. New o-coordinator from Chicago is also committed to the run. Raiders invested in their o-line with a free-agent center and using 2nd and 3rd rd picks on lineman, not to mention a 1st rounder on Te Bowers. White (4th rd out of Georgia) had four starts while Jacobs was out last year and his carries... 17, 22, 20, 25 - along with 13 targets. Had 7 runs of 10+ yds in those games. Dude has some burst. His only competition - Alexander Mattison who's done virtually nothing his forgettable five-year career.

Barring injury White should easily surpass 250 carries and could very well get 300+, along with a sizable chunk of receptions. And he gets all the goal line work. We're talking about a 7th round pick.

[Maximum Overkill 1,472]

25 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

And he gets all the goal line work. We're talking about a 7th round pick.

Assuming the Raiders get anywhere near the goal line. 

I love the ADP as well but he's in a crap offense that may always be playing from behind and he has some decent backs behind him. 

I like it, don't love it. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,409]

3 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Coach Harbaugh - known for pounding the ball, of course hires o-coordinator Greg Roman who from '19 to '22 made Baltimore a top five rushing team every season.  Chargers lose both top receiving options and basically have no Te worth mentioning.  So one thing is quite clear - the Chargers are going to run, run, and run some more.

In comes 29 yo injury plagued Gus Edwards with a pathetic 30 total receptions over a 5-year career. I was thrilled to get Edwards off waivers after Mitchell went down last year and immediately Youtubed Gus's highlights. Color me disappointment. Plods forward until touched, then falls down. And those were the "highlights."

Next... JK Dobbins who had ACL/LCL tears in '21, and then the dreaded Achilles tear last year - death nail for Rbs. Signed a dirt cheap 1-year contract (paltry $50k guaranteed). Might not make the team if doesn't impress in training camp.

Next... 6th rd pick out of Troy - bowling ball Kimani Vidal.

What a maddening situation. A team guaranteed to run the hell out of the ball, with nobody great to tote the rock. Out of principle I'll have to draft Gus if he actually falls to 9th/10th rd, but I won't be proud of it. Rather hoping to get Vidal with the last pick of the draft.

I think that if Edwards somehow stays healthy, he could put up a really big year.  He could rush for 1200+ yards and more than 12 (maybe, dear I say it, 15 TD's), this season.  There's a total of zero known commodities in the backfield in LA and all their WR's are gone.  I have no idea what to make of this season.  Looks to me like the Chargers are just trying to compile a whole bunch of "meh" at RB and run the ball 35+ times a game, just to get through a 2-win season healthy.  Get out of some cap restraints, get rid of some more high cost players, pick high, and hit the ground running for 2025.

[GobbleDog 919]

56 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Assuming the Raiders get anywhere near the goal line. 

I love the ADP as well but he's in a crap offense that may always be playing from behind and he has some decent backs behind him. 

I like it, don't love it. 

Look what sheer volume did for R. White and Etienne last year... neither particularly skilled or on high-scoring teams. Jacobs finished Rb 3 in '22 on a rather pathetic Raiders team with insane volume.

Who are these "decent backs" behind White you speak of? Surely not 26 yo Alexander Mattison who hasn't broken 4 ypc in three years? Or 31 yo journeyman Ameer Abdullah? Or 6th rd rookie out of New Hampshire Dylan Laube? Please... this is White's backfield.

I also think the Raiders are going to be better than expected. Minshew might look like a 70's porn star, but he actually had several decent games last year. They still have Adams, Meyers, and if Te Brock Bowers is half as good as scouts are touting, they'll be moving the ball. I'm not projecting White into the top 10, but he's definitely got a shot which is incredible for a 7th rd pick. Like Al Davis says "Just volume baby!" 

[weepaws 3,035]

Any news about the health of Dobbins, I haven’t seen any.  

Agree about Z White, I have him penciled in as a rb2 based on volume, he’s not going to lose work to of the rb the Raiders currently roster.

But I don’t like what that team looks like.  

Edwards could post double digit tds.  I think he’s a solid rb3.   

[GobbleDog 919]

2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Edwards could post double digit tds.

Absolutely. But in games he doesn't score... 43 yds, 0 rec, and a cloud of dust. Gonna be some clunkers.

But for a 10th round pick, I'll take the random Tds as a spot start. And hope he magically finds the fountain of youth.

[weepaws 3,035]

4 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Absolutely. But in games he doesn't score... 43 yds, 0 rec, and a cloud of dust. Gonna be some clunkers.

But for a 10th round pick, I'll take the random Tds as a spot start. And hope he magically finds the fountain of youth.

He’s not going to wow anyone with his yardage, but I’ll take 45 plus a td in a non ppr 14 team league at the flex slot.  

How healthy Dobbins is could make it a tougher situation for Edwards owners, to question Dobbins is the better/ or was the better player.  Imo.