Tim Walz left National Guard battalion ‘hanging,’ ‘slithered out the door’ before Iraq deployment

[Gepetto 1,192]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

You’re grasping. Looking for anything to attack him with. Nobody cares about this. 

Fortunately you don't speak for everybody that's not nobody.

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

Fortunately you don't speak for everybody that's not nobody.

Hey man I’m just speculating. But let’s revisit this in a month and see if it moved the needle. 

[seafoam1 2,525]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey man I’m just speculating. But let’s revisit this in a month and see if it moved the needle. 

You should lay down some big cash on kameltoe. 

[F1erce 88]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Come on man. The bone spurs thing was bullshitt. Bidens asthma even worse.  It that stuff doesn’t compare to what Walz did, and then lied about being in combat. This is bad. Real bad, especially since they kept touting his military service. Vance is gonna pummel him. 

Oh I’m sure it was bs but nothing like what this guy did. It’s the epitome of being a coward 

[League Champion 1,790]

It's horrible. Even moreso that Pedocrats don't get it. 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

Typical MAGAturd conclusion-jumping.

This whole "stolen valor" crap was debunked years ago. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/07/us/politics/vance-walz-military-record.html

For starters, his decision to retire came MONTHS before his group was ordered to deploy to Iraq. Did you clowns expect him to rejoin once that announcement was made?

That's just stupid.

It appears that he did achieve command sergeant major status, but that was reduced after not completing some Army course.

Big whoopee freakin' do.

There was no "stolen valor" here, and this story will become the nothingburger it was proven to be years ago.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

3 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Typical MAGAturd conclusion-jumping.

This whole "stolen valor" crap was debunked years ago. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/07/us/politics/vance-walz-military-record.html

For starters, his decision to retire came MONTHS before his group was ordered to deploy to Iraq. Did you clowns expect him to rejoin once that announcement was made?

That's just stupid.

It appears that he did achieve command sergeant major status, but that was reduced after not completing some Army course.

Big whoopee freakin' do.

There was no "stolen valor" here, and this story will become the nothingburger it was proven to be years ago.

 

He said he went into combat. 

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6 hours ago, squistion said:

Fun Facts from Wiki:

Tim Walz served in the National Guard for 24 years after enlisting in 1981. During his military career, he had postings in Arkansas, Texas, the Arctic Circle, New Ulm, Minnesota, and elsewhere.

New Ulm is in Minnesota.   But let's list it because it sounds foreign. 

And the Arctic Circle is in Alaska.  

JFC  

[JuneJuly 192]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It was incredible. 

Did she make you cry like Hillary did?

[seafoam1 2,525]

13 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Did she make you cry like Hillary did?

He cried. 

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5 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

People don't even join out of patriotism anymore. It's just a bunch of losers that ran out of other options or are too stupid to do anything else (most not all).

Fock do you sound like a fool.  What your asthma not let you join?

Over here b!tching about people who actually serving or served.

[seafoam1 2,525]

1 minute ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Fock do you sound like a fool.  What your asthma not let you join?

Over here b!cthing about people who actually serve or served.

You don't get it. You are wrong. 

[mmmmm...beer 780]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

You don't get it. You are wrong. 

You can fock right off too...

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

Lots of folks don't appreciate the dangers encountered in the war between New Ulm and Bemidgi.

[IndyColtsFan 325]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He said he went into combat. 

Wrong again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/walzs-military-record-vances-accusations-stolen-valor/story?id=112618991#:~:text=Walz said he carried a,was never in direct combat.

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Walz said he carried a gun "in war,” but he also has acknowledged he was never in direct combat.

 

[Gepetto 1,192]

14 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Wrong again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/walzs-military-record-vances-accusations-stolen-valor/story?id=112618991#:~:text=Walz said he carried a,was never in direct combat.

 

Yea. That's Walz lying about being in war carrying a gun. That's saying something that's not true to make himself look heroic in a military sense. Pathetic. His true colors have been shown. Harris would be wise to replace him. They're going to lose the election.

[JuneJuly 192]

16 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Wrong again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/walzs-military-record-vances-accusations-stolen-valor/story?id=112618991#:~:text=Walz said he carried a,was never in direct combat.

 

Name which war.  

[IndyColtsFan 325]

22 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Yea. That's Walz lying about being in war carrying a gun. That's saying something that's not true to make himself look heroic in a military sense. Pathetic. His true colors have been shown. Harris would be wise to replace him. They're going to lose the election.

All this was debunked multiple times years ago. There is no gotcha here. It's low-hanging fruit for MAGAturds to get a boner over and spin misinformation, but it's going nowhere.

Keep trying!

Thirty-four felony convictions and felony indictments that have yet to go to trial ARE a SOMETHINGBURGER!

NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!!

[IndyColtsFan 325]

All gave some and some gave all when it comes to the men and women who have served our country, unless you're Draft Dodger Donald, who used bone spurs as an excuse to not serve his country in Vietnam.

[iam90sbaby 2,299]

16 hours ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Fock do you sound like a fool.  What your asthma not let you join?

Over here b!tching about people who actually serving or served.

Serve what? Our bs Neo feudalist country that puts illegal immigrants before me and my family, taxes the fock out of me for services and programs I'll never use and don't get any benefit from?  Take your service and shove it up your azz

[mmmmm...beer 780]

39 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Serve what? Our bs Neo feudalist country that puts illegal immigrants before me and my family, taxes the fock out of me for services and programs I'll never use and don't get any benefit from?  Take your service and shove it up your azz

Ah... I didn't realize you grew up to be a tinfoil hat type of guy.  Haven't interacted with you for awhile.  I see what happened here.  Carry on with your growing little diamond of hatred for the country that affords you to lament it.

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

23 hours ago, squistion said:

Fun Facts from Wiki:

Tim Walz served in the National Guard for 24 years after enlisting in 1981. During his military career, he had postings in Arkansas, Texas, the Arctic Circle, New Ulm, Minnesota, and elsewhere.

WIKI??? Fock dude, the OP brought receipts from X!!!  Get the fock out of here with your sourced Wiki facts. 

[Mike Honcho 4,728]

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Republican JD Vance is alleging Democrat Tim Walz is guilty of "stolen valor" -- an explosive allegation that supporters of Walz say goes too far.

The allegation also has legal implications. It's against federal law to lie about military service to try to defraud people.

While there's no evidence that Walz is guilty of such a crime, there are questions about how Walz has talked about his service, including claims that he carried a gun "in war," when he never saw active combat.

The Harris-Walz campaign issued a statement saying that "in his 24 years of service, the Governor carried, fired and trained others to use weapons of war innumerable times. Governor Walz would never insult or undermine any American's service to this country -- in fact, he thanks Senator Vance for putting his life on the line for our country. It's the American way."

Here’s what to know:

Walz retired from the Army National Guard as the crisis in Iraq was growing to run for political office.

By 2005, Tim Walz had logged 24 years with the Army National Guard and earned the rank of command sergeant major -- the highest enlisted rank for his unit and one with considerable responsibility.

It was possible his unit would be sent to war, as Pentagon officials hoped the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq would protect the new coalition government and prevent a civil war.

Walz, a vocal critic of the Bush administration's war policies and father of a 4-year-old girl at the time, opted to file his retirement papers that May and run for public office instead.

Walz won, successfully flipping a Minnesota House seat from red to blue for the first time in years and becoming the highest-ranked enlisted veteran to serve in Congress.

According to records by the National Guard, the 1st Battalion of the 125th Field Artillery received an alert order on July 14, 2005, – two months after Walz retired. The mobilization order came in August and the unit mobilized in October.

Joseph Eustice, another retired command sergeant major who served with Walz, tells ABC News that while there was speculation of a deployment around that time there was no firm indication that Walz’s unit would be sent to Iraq until that July alert order.

Eustice says he remembers Walz struggling with the timing of wanting to serve as a lawmaker but also avoiding asking for a deferment so he could do so.

"He had a window of time. He had to decide. And in his deciding, we were not on notice to be deployed. There were rumors. There were lots of rumors, and we didn't know where we were going until it was later that, early summer, I believe,” Eustice told ABC News.

Vance said Walz as a command sergeant major at the time shouldn’t have allowed his unit to deploy without him.

"I think it's shameful to prepare [a] unit to go to Iraq to make a promise that you're going to follow through and then to drop out right before you actually have to go. I also think it's dishonest,” Vance said.

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre said his record as someone who enlisted at age 17 and spent more than two decades in the Army National Guard "speaks for itself.”

Walz served as command sergeant major but didn't stay in that role long enough to keep it in retirement.

There's no evidence Walz broke any rules by retiring when he did. After more than 20 years of service with the National Guard, a person can retire at any point, regardless of where they are in their contract, according to the National Guard.

Walz had joined the Nebraska National Guard at age 17, later transferring to the Minnesota National Guard, spending a total of 24 years in the service.

According to experts, Walz's retirement would have to have been approved by his commander. Officials say retirement requests can be denied if a Guard unit is mobilized, though the ultimate decision is up to the unit commander.

What is noteworthy is that Walz still uses the rank of command sergeant major on his website.

Walz indeed achieved that rank in service in September 2004. But he would have had to serve in that particular role for three years to retire as one officially, according to the National Guard.

"After 24 years in the Army National Guard, Command Sergeant Major Walz retired from the 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion in 2005,” according to the governor's website.

Walz said he carried a gun "in war,” but he also has acknowledged he was never in direct combat.

In a video clip tweeted out by the Harris campaign on Tuesday, Walz tells an audience that he carried guns "in war” while trying to make the case for restrictions on gun access.

"We can research the impacts of gun violence. We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, are only carried in war,” Walz said.

Walz would have carried a gun during his service when the U.S. was at war following the 9/11 terror attacks, including a deployment to Italy in 2003 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.

But there is no evidence that Walz was ever engaged in active combat, and he has acknowledged as much, according to a 2018 interview with Minnesota Public Radio.

"I know that there are certainly folks that did far more than I did. I know that," Walz said. "I willingly say that I got far more out of the military than they got out of me, from the GI Bill to leadership opportunities to everything else."

Still, Vance insists Walz's comment about carrying a gun "in war” and not "during war” is tantamount to stolen valor.

"What bothers me about Tim Walz is the stolen valor garbage. Do not pretend to be something that you're not,” he said.

Vance is a former Marine who served in Iraq but wrote in his memoir that he was "lucky to escape any real fighting.”

"I served in a combat zone. I never said that I saw a firefight myself, but I've always told the truth about my Marine Corps service. That's the difference," Vance said Wednesday.

 

 

So the stolen valor comment comes down to a semantic argument. 

[iam90sbaby 2,299]

1 hour ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Ah... I didn't realize you grew up to be a tinfoil hat type of guy.  Haven't interacted with you for awhile.  I see what happened here.  Carry on with your growing little diamond of hatred for the country that affords you to lament it.

Oh be quiet. Quit acting like you're special or deserve more respect than any other citizen because you joined the focking Army.

Off topic, but remember when I PMd you and recommended you buy Ethereum when it was still under $5 per ETH? Oooof

[mmmmm...beer 780]

1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

Oh be quiet. Quit acting like you're special or deserve more respect than any other citizen because you joined the focking Army.

Off topic, but remember when I PMd you and recommended you buy Ethereum when it was still under $5 per ETH? Oooof

First off, I've never said I was special for serving nor need, especially your, respect.   As far as I know, which I could be wrong as I don't know you, you haven't presented yourself as the type of person I'd want anything to do with.  Actually you seem a  pretty dark, negative, angry, toxic type guy.  Again, maybe I'm wrong, but that's how you present yourself recently anyway.

 You are the one talking all kinds of massive sh!t about how stupid I and all the other .mil members are.  How we had no choice to make it in civilian life.   So yep... I said good day.

Yep... it was great advice on the etherium.  You were right.  You must be what... 8 figures on it now?

[squistion 1,655]

Since the false thread title has not been changed by the OP, for those just coming to this thread for the first time:

Fun Fact

Tim Walz retired from the Minnesota Army National Guard's 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery in 2005

Tim Walz retired BEFORE his battalion was immobilized and deployed to Iraq

[HellToupee 1,252]

The guy is a liar

 

[HellToupee 1,252]

Crikey the Aussies see it

 

[Bert 1,125]

I don’t know if this is true but Waltz is a horrible human being.  If Kamala’s goal was to look more likable by comparison, mission accomplished.  
 

The things this guy has done and lied about make, Trump and Biden, look like Jimmy Carter.  

[HellToupee 1,252]

This guy 

 

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Tim Walz’s Church Doesn’t Like To Call God ‘Him,’ Supports Reparations And Pride Parades

 

Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz attends a church that preaches beliefs related to gender, race and sexuality that many Christian denominations strongly oppose.

Walz, who is the governor of Minnesota, identified Pilgrim Lutheran Church in St. Paul as his parish during a 2020 briefing on the COVID-19 pandemic. Materials published by Pilgrim Lutheran Church instruct parishioners not to refer to God using male pronouns, push congregants to support reparation funds, encourage them to celebrate Ramadan and include a modified gender-neutral version of the Lord’s Prayer, among other liberal practices.

Pilgrim Lutheran Church is part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), a mainline protestant denomination that has been criticized by some conservative Christians for ordaining transgender and lesbian bishops as well as for its embrace of LGBT ideology. (RELATED: Kamala Harris Announces Tim Walz Will Be Running Mate)

“The ELCA is, broadly speaking, a liberal American mainline Protestant denomination,” Jonah Wendt, a policy adviser for Mike Pence’s Advancing American Freedom and a member of the Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod, told the Daily Caller News Foundation. “They reject the inerrancy of scripture, ordain women to the pastoral office [and] hold what many would believe to be unbiblical views on abortion and homosexual behavior.”

Pilgrim Lutheran Church in 2015 approved “guidelines for language in worship” wherein the congregation asserted that “a patriarchal culture gave birth to the writing of scripture and the selection of the canon” and, to rectify the purported injustice, committed to using gender-neutral language to describe God. Members of the church, for instance, are encouraged to “choose non-anthropomorphic language” like “hen” or “baker” to refer to God, and urged “not to limit these by following them with male or female pronouns.”

The guidelines instruct parishioners to refer to God using titles that signal actions but don’t imply gender, like “advocate” or “healer.” Walz’s church also uses a modified version of the Lord’s Prayer, beginning with “Our Guardian, Our Mother, Our Father in heaven” instead of the traditional “Our Father who 

 

[cyclone24 1,912]

https://x.com/thecalvincooli1/status/1821350635716927856?s=46&t=mCRAlyTu_GMQKA-qpyxb9g
 

I care as much about this as i do Hunter Biden…but hes pretty clearly acted as if he served. 
Plenty of other reasons the guy is bad though 

[seafoam1 2,525]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

https://x.com/thecalvincooli1/status/1821350635716927856?s=46&t=mCRAlyTu_GMQKA-qpyxb9g
 

I care as much about this as i do Hunter Biden…but hes pretty clearly acted as if he served. 
Plenty of other reasons the guy is bad though 

He said he carried weapons into combat. That's a big fat booboo on his part. 

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

He said he carried weapons into combat. That's a big fat booboo on his part. 

He said he carried a weapon in war, not specifically in combat, though that was the implication. 

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2 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Walz’s church also uses a modified version of the Lord’s Prayer, beginning with “Our Guardian, Our Mother, Our Father in heaven” instead of the traditional “Our Father who 

 

Ooooooo... messing that one up is like that old Eddie Murphy bit... you wanna take the hell express.

[Maximum Overkill 1,367]

 

 

[seafoam1 2,525]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

 

What a communist pig he is.

[Maximum Overkill 1,367]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

What a communist pig he is.

He's a typical Liberal. That's why they all love him. 

General can't stop gushing over him  

[seafoam1 2,525]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He's a typical Liberal. That's why they all love him. 

General can't stop gushing over him  

Well, generalpimpledooash boasts about summer vacations which he has great memories of, but can't recall where he went or what he did. 

[squistion 1,655]

5 hours ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact:

Tim Walz retired from the Minnesota Army National Guard's 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery in 2005

Tim Walz retired BEFORE his battalion was immobilized and deployed to Iraq

Undisputed Fun Fact. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,367]

Just now, squistion said:

Fun Fact.