Trump vs Harris Policy Thread - $10,000 PER KID FOR HOMESCHOOL $7,000 COST OF LIVING REDUCTION

[The Psychic Observer 297]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

The guy can buy and sell your Liberal asss. He might know more than you, stick to Grooming Children. 

Donald Trump can buy and sell me but he thinks a foreign country pays a tariff.

Money doesnt make you smart.

You must be rich.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

13 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Kevin o'leary sounds really stupid there.  Have you given up trying to defend tariffs yourself that you just now post videos of stupid people doing it?

He's talking about knock offs but tariffs make it worse.

You want to stop knockoffs. Which is a real problem. But you know you are wrong on how. 

Tariffs will cause the Chinese to KNOCK YOU OFF MORE !!! They know your companies are having to pay the tariffs on the legit products. Which makes it easier for their knockoffs to be sold for far far far less on Amazon and anywhere else

Let's do the math. Right now the knockoffs sell for at least 25% less than branded versions. Guess what... a 60 percent tariff on a lower priced knockoff is less than the American company pays on their higher priced, branded product. 

You think there can be  tariff negotiations  to end knockoffs,   That's laughable. You know from watches, there are knockoffs everywhere. The grey market and the knockoff market won't be ended by any tariff negotiation

Who is this idiot?

[Horseman 1,987]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who is this idiot?

Some douche thinks China isn't already knocking us off as much as possible?  I've seen some dumb posts, that might just take the cake.  

[JuneJuly 192]

Even though the soft bellies like to post rocket ships every time the stock market hits a new high the truth is the President has very little to do with that.  As long as the economy is growing the stock market will continue to rise.  Where the president does have the most effect on your bottom line is Tax Policy.  What good are those Amazon and Apple stocks if they want to double or triple the capital gains tax.  Despite all the noise, this should be everyone's number one consideration on who to vote for.  The following are the Tax Policies for each candidate as reported bye The Tax Foundation:

Vice President Kamala Harris

• Increase the top tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for taxable income above $1 million
• Increase the net investment income tax (NIIT) to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for children under age 1, $3,600 for children 2-5, and $3,000 for older children
• Expand the earned income tax credit for filers who do not claim children
• Expand premium tax credits
• Expand housing tax credits, including the low-income housing tax credit, a credit for new homebuyers, and a credit for the construction of started homes
• Claw back deductions for depreciation and interest for certain rental construction investments
• Increase the $5,000 deduction for startup costs to $50,000
• Increase the Medicare tax to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Exempt tips from the income tax
• Increase the corporate income tax rate to 28%

Former President Donald J. Trump

• VP candidate JD Vance has discussed increasing the child tax credit to $5,000
• Make the expiring estate tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Make the expiring individual income tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Tax large private university endowments
• Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs
• Exempt tips from income tax
• Exempt Social Security benefits from taxation
• Impose a universal baseline tariff on all U.S. imports of 10%—20%
• Impose a 60% tariff on all U.S. imports from China
• Lower the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 20%
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 15% for companies that make their products in the U.S.

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

Even though the soft bellies like to post rocket ships every time the stock market hits a new high the truth is the President has very little to do with that.  As long as the economy is growing the stock market will continue to rise.  Where the president does have the most effect on your bottom line is Tax Policy.  What good are those Amazon and Apple stocks if they want to double or triple the capital gains tax.  Despite all the noise, this should be everyone's number one consideration on who to vote for.  The following are the Tax Policies for each candidate as reported bye The Tax Foundation:

Vice President Kamala Harris

• Increase the top tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for taxable income above $1 million
• Increase the net investment income tax (NIIT) to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for children under age 1, $3,600 for children 2-5, and $3,000 for older children
• Expand the earned income tax credit for filers who do not claim children
• Expand premium tax credits
• Expand housing tax credits, including the low-income housing tax credit, a credit for new homebuyers, and a credit for the construction of started homes
• Claw back deductions for depreciation and interest for certain rental construction investments
• Increase the $5,000 deduction for startup costs to $50,000
• Increase the Medicare tax to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Exempt tips from the income tax
• Increase the corporate income tax rate to 28%

Former President Donald J. Trump

• VP candidate JD Vance has discussed increasing the child tax credit to $5,000
• Make the expiring estate tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Make the expiring individual income tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Tax large private university endowments
• Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs
• Exempt tips from income tax
• Exempt Social Security benefits from taxation
• Impose a universal baseline tariff on all U.S. imports of 10%—20%
• Impose a 60% tariff on all U.S. imports from China
• Lower the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 20%
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 15% for companies that make their products in the U.S.

What % of American's do you think have Capital Gains tax in any given year of $1M+ dollars?

Can my employer pay me in all "tips" ? That would be sweet.

[JuneJuly 192]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

Vice President Kamala Harris

• Increase the top tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for taxable income above $1 million No thanks, although I'll get out my large investments before this would ever take effect and be able to manage it from there.
• Increase the net investment income tax (NIIT) to reach 5% on income above $400,000 Increase the Obama tax? No thanks.
• Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for children under age 1, $3,600 for children 2-5, and $3,000 for older children Pay for your own damn kids.
• Expand the earned income tax credit for filers who do not claim children Wont affect me
• Expand premium tax credits  YES PLEASE!
• Expand housing tax credits, including the low-income housing tax credit, a credit for new homebuyers, and a credit for the construction of started homes Wont affect me
• Claw back deductions for depreciation and interest for certain rental construction investments Claw back means raise taxes.
• Increase the $5,000 deduction for startup costs to $50,000 I'm fine with this.
• Increase the Medicare tax to reach 5% on income above $400,000 If that means improving Medicare
• Exempt tips from the income tax Wont affect me
• Increase the corporate income tax rate to 28% Nope, bad idea. Wont affect me any longer

Former President Donald J. Trump

• VP candidate JD Vance has discussed increasing the child tax credit to $5,000 Pay for your own damn kids.
• Make the expiring estate tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent  YES PLEASE 100%
• Make the expiring individual income tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent YES PLEASE 100%
• Tax large private university endowments Yes.
• Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs Yes
• Exempt tips from income tax Wont affect me
• Exempt Social Security benefits from taxation YES PLEASE 100%
• Impose a universal baseline tariff on all U.S. imports of 10%—20% Strategic, not necessarily universal.
• Impose a 60% tariff on all U.S. imports from China Strategic, not necessarily universal.
• Lower the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 20% This is the way.  This is the way, but wont affect me any longer.
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 15% for companies that make their products in the U.S. This is the way, but wont affect me any longer.

Best Harris Policy is expanding the premium tax credits.  That needs to be done as the temporary provisions to fix "the cliff" expire this year and I'm not happy Trump hasn't decided to address this.

Best Trump Policies are to make the Tax Cuts permanent that are set to expire in 2026.  This needs to be done first and foremost.  The democrats would like to see these expire and instead give handouts to all the poor people instead of lowering taxes across the board.  That results in increased taxes on the middle class that they promise they won't do, only because they don't have to do anything but let them expire.  Second, I'd like to see no taxes on SS, that would be great.  

 

[JuneJuly 192]

9 minutes ago, purdygood said:

What % of American's do you think have Capital Gains tax in any given year of $1M+ dollars?

Can my employer pay me in all "tips" ? That would be sweet.

First question - Me this year and next.  And most of my colleagues eventually, so more than you think.  You probably think no big deal just cash out 900k each year who needs that much all at once anyway.  Let me give you a scenario you probably haven't considered.  Many large successful US companies are employee owned.  Most of those ESOP plans require that you sell all of your privately held company stock when you retire, all at once.  That forces you to take a large capital gains hit whether you like it or not. 

Second question - Sure if you want to work in the service industry.  Knock yourself out.

[purdygood 306]

10 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

First question - Me this year and next.  And most of my colleagues eventually, so more than you think.  You probably think no big deal just cash out 900k each year who needs that much all at once anyway.  Let me give you a scenario you probably haven't considered.  Many large successful US companies are employee owned.  Most of those ESOP plans require that you sell all of your privately held company stock when you retire, all at once.  That forces you to take a large capital gains hit whether you like it or not. 

Second question - Sure if you want to work in the service industry.  Knock yourself out.

So Biden's economy isn't so bad if you made $1M+ NQ Dollar's in profit this year.

[TrailGuy 204]

47 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Even though the soft bellies like to post rocket ships every time the stock market hits a new high the truth is the President has very little to do with that.  As long as the economy is growing the stock market will continue to rise.  Where the president does have the most effect on your bottom line is Tax Policy.  What good are those Amazon and Apple stocks if they want to double or triple the capital gains tax.  Despite all the noise, this should be everyone's number one consideration on who to vote for.  The following are the Tax Policies for each candidate as reported bye The Tax Foundation:

Vice President Kamala Harris

• Increase the top tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for taxable income above $1 million
• Increase the net investment income tax (NIIT) to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for children under age 1, $3,600 for children 2-5, and $3,000 for older children
• Expand the earned income tax credit for filers who do not claim children
• Expand premium tax credits
• Expand housing tax credits, including the low-income housing tax credit, a credit for new homebuyers, and a credit for the construction of started homes
• Claw back deductions for depreciation and interest for certain rental construction investments
• Increase the $5,000 deduction for startup costs to $50,000
• Increase the Medicare tax to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Exempt tips from the income tax
• Increase the corporate income tax rate to 28%

Former President Donald J. Trump

• VP candidate JD Vance has discussed increasing the child tax credit to $5,000
• Make the expiring estate tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Make the expiring individual income tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Tax large private university endowments
• Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs
• Exempt tips from income tax
• Exempt Social Security benefits from taxation
• Impose a universal baseline tariff on all U.S. imports of 10%—20%
• Impose a 60% tariff on all U.S. imports from China
• Lower the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 20%
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 15% for companies that make their products in the U.S.

Nancy got banned again? 

[JuneJuly 192]

8 minutes ago, purdygood said:

So Biden's economy isn't so bad if you made $1M+ NQ Dollar's in profit this year.

Capital gains aren't paid yearly when held in stock.  They're paid only when you sell.   

It's 100% timing thing not a president thing, unless they raise the capital gains at the wrong moment. 

Our company is well positioned to make lots of money regardless of who is president or how well the economy does, which is highly independent of the president.  The only thing that affects us that the president does have say in is corporate tax.  That affects our bottom line.  Capital gains tax affects the individual's bottom line when the retire/cash out.

[JuneJuly 192]

5 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Nancy got banned again? 

New here?  Policy only thread.  Don't make me get the bouncers.

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

Capital gains aren't paid yearly when held in stock.  They're paid only when you sell.   

It's 100% timing thing not a president thing, unless they raise the capital gains at the wrong moment. 

Our company is well positioned to make lots of money regardless of who is president or how well the economy does, which is highly independent of the president.  If you learn to read.  The only thing that affects us that the president does have say in is corporate tax.  That affects our bottom line.  Capital gains tax affects the individual's bottom line when the retire/cash out.

I understand.  Totally cool.  You are voting in your self interest.  Not America's best interest.  Cool!

[TrailGuy 204]

1 minute ago, JuneJuly said:

New here?  Policy only thread.  Don't make me get the bouncers.

So you use JuneJuly to talk policy but Horseman is for trolling?

Life Loser 

[JuneJuly 192]

Just now, purdygood said:

I understand.  Totally cool.  You are voting in your self interest.  Not America's best interest.  Cool!

That which affects me most. 100%.

And I'm pretty confident that if everyone did that we'd collectively be better as a whole as a Country.  Self - Family -Tribe.  Instead we have a bunch of low IQ people voting on feelings.  There ought to be an intelligence test for voter registration, for America's best interest of course.  

[purdygood 306]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

So you use JuneJuly to talk policy but Horseman is for trolling?

Life Loser 

Wait, there are bouncers?  Like big scary black guys who flunked out of the NFL who will kick me out if I don't wear the right shoes?

[TrailGuy 204]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Wait, there are bouncers?  Like big scary black guys who flunked out of the NFL who will kick me out if I don't wear the right shoes?

I think he means he's gonna smash the report button again.  It's his MO.

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

That which affects me most. 100%.

And I'm pretty confident that if everyone did that we'd collectively be better as a whole as a Country.  Self - Family -Tribe.  Instead we have a bunch of low IQ people voting on feelings.  There ought to be an intelligence test for voter registration, for America's best interest of course.  

I find Trump voters mostly vote on "feels" not "facts".  But OK.   The founding father's we're likely pretty low IQ but I admire their ideas of Seperation of Church and State and 3 branches of Government who check each other.  (Except Trump has found a bunch of loopholes to abuse that)

[JuneJuly 192]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

I find Trump voters mostly vote on "feels" not "facts".  But OK.   The founding father's we're likely pretty low IQ but I admire their ideas of Seperation of Church and State and 3 branches of Government who check each other.  (Except Trump has found a bunch of loopholes to abuse that)

There isn't any such thing as a loophole.  It's either law or it isn't.  I suppose you pay more taxes than you have to just because you don't want to use a tax "loophole"?  See, this is just the kind of low IQ thinking I was talking about.  

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

There isn't any such thing as a loophole.  It's either law or it isn't.  I suppose you pay more taxes than you have to just because you don't want to use a tax "loophole"?  See, this is just the kind of low IQ thinking I was talking about.  

Oh there is plenty of loopholes.   Like devaluing the price of your assets when it comes tax time but increasing the value when it comes to selling time.  Who does that sound like?

 

It reminds me of Schitt's Creek... It's a "write off" but WHO WRITES IT OFF?

[JuneJuly 192]

Back on topic:

Quote

 

During the presidential debate, Vice President Kamala Harris claimed to be the only candidate with a plan to help working-class people. But when given the opportunity to outline her economic vision, she avoided policy specifics, using red herrings about billionaires and big corporations. She claimed, for example, that the 2017 Trump tax cuts were “tax cuts for billionaires.”

This misleading rhetoric was meant to distract voters from reality — her tax plan would result in tax hikes for most people, whereas Republican tax reform reduced taxes for people of all income groups.

Harris and Democrats still need to answer a fundamental question: Will they allow the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act to expire and inflict multitrillion-dollar tax hikes on the middle class?

While anti-billionaire rhetoric may sound good on the campaign trail, the reality is the TCJA changed the individual provisions of the tax code to allow taxpayers of all incomes to keep more of their hard-earned money. Unless Democrats join Republicans in extending these popular provisions, people will face a more than $4 trillion tax hike in 2026, the largest in U.S. history. The middle and working classes, making under $400,000 per year, will be hit hardest.

 

According to the Tax Foundation a single mother of one making $30,000 will pay more than $1,000 in higher taxes. A family of four making a median household income of $75,000 is estimated to face a tax increase of more than $1,500.

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

Back on topic:

According to the Tax Foundation a single mother of one making $30,000 will pay more than $1,000 in higher taxes. A family of four making a median household income of $75,000 is estimated to face a tax increase of more than $1,500.

You mean the Act Trump conveniently made expire come next election season? Totally not a D move at all.

[JuneJuly 192]

Quote

 

“If the 2017 tax cuts are allowed to expire after 2025, about 62% of taxpayers would see their tax bills go up,” said Erica York, senior economist and research director at the Tax Foundation. “That’s because the TCJA provided tax cuts for the vast majority of taxpayers.”

A majority of Americans, 56%, already believe they pay too much in federal income taxes, according to an April 2024 Gallup poll. Meanwhile, only 22% think they receive valuable services in return, as reported by an AP-NORC survey from January 2024.

 

Trump's camp responded to the CNBC report:

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“Everything we have to do should be oriented towards one thing: increasing the rate of economic growth of our country, by making these cuts permanent”

The Harris campaign did not provide comment in time to participate in this report.   

[JuneJuly 192]

10 minutes ago, purdygood said:

You mean the Act Trump conveniently made expire come next election season? Totally not a D move at all.

WOW.  Really dude? Next election season?

I'm going to do you a favor and let you think about that for a second, maybe just maybe, you might want to walk that back.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

14 minutes ago, purdygood said:

You mean the Act Trump conveniently made expire come next election season? Totally not a D move at all.

 

Yes the Trump tax cuts were designed to end at a time that would be fortuitous to Trump. 

[JuneJuly 192]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Yes the Trump tax cuts were designed to end at a time that would be fortuitous to Trump. 

Oh boy, you too?  Hint:  Start by taking out a calendar.  

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

WOW.  Really dude? Next election season?

I'm going to do you a favor and let you think about that for a second, maybe just maybe, you might want to walk that back.

 

Call me maybe Carly Rae Jepsen.

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

 

Yes the Trump tax cuts were designed to end at a time that would be fortuitous to Trump. 

But, not according to June/July.  The most famous non hot as Shizz months.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

But, not according to June/July.  The most famous non hot as Shizz months.

I mean....Horseman knows nothing about anything. 

[JuneJuly 192]

9 minutes ago, purdygood said:

But, not according to June/July.  The most famous non hot as Shizz months.

I tried offering you a pass.

Please tell us how Trump envisioned, in 2017, how these tax breaks for all Americans would have benefited him by expiring ten years later in 2026, two years after his second term.

TDS on full display here.  

[purdygood 306]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

I tried offering you a pass.

Please tell us how Trump envisioned, in 2017, how these tax breaks for all Americans would have benefited him by expiring in 2026, two years after his second term.

TDS on full display here.  

Please tell me why tax breaks for all American's should have had an expiration date at all?

[JuneJuly 192]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Please tell me why tax breaks for all American's should have had an expiration date at all?

Because of budget constraints in Congress.   Kicking the can down the road like EVERY bill they pass.

You think it was some master plan by Trump.  He had a the foresight to see something like Covid happen, then losing the election to Biden.  He did it just so he'd have something to run on in 2024!   Just in case!  

Just admit you knee jerked a stupid post and move on.  Then go see a doctor about your TDS.  

[League Champion 1,790]

 

 

[The Psychic Observer 297]

20 hours ago, JuneJuly said:

Even though the soft bellies like to post rocket ships every time the stock market hits a new high the truth is the President has very little to do with that.  As long as the economy is growing the stock market will continue to rise.  Where the president does have the most effect on your bottom line is Tax Policy.  What good are those Amazon and Apple stocks if they want to double or triple the capital gains tax.  Despite all the noise, this should be everyone's number one consideration on who to vote for.  The following are the Tax Policies for each candidate as reported bye The Tax Foundation:

Vice President Kamala Harris

• Increase the top tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for taxable income above $1 million
• Increase the net investment income tax (NIIT) to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for children under age 1, $3,600 for children 2-5, and $3,000 for older children
• Expand the earned income tax credit for filers who do not claim children
• Expand premium tax credits
• Expand housing tax credits, including the low-income housing tax credit, a credit for new homebuyers, and a credit for the construction of started homes
• Claw back deductions for depreciation and interest for certain rental construction investments
• Increase the $5,000 deduction for startup costs to $50,000
• Increase the Medicare tax to reach 5% on income above $400,000
• Exempt tips from the income tax
• Increase the corporate income tax rate to 28%

Former President Donald J. Trump

• VP candidate JD Vance has discussed increasing the child tax credit to $5,000
• Make the expiring estate tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Make the expiring individual income tax cuts from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent
• Tax large private university endowments
• Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs
• Exempt tips from income tax
• Exempt Social Security benefits from taxation
• Impose a universal baseline tariff on all U.S. imports of 10%—20%
• Impose a 60% tariff on all U.S. imports from China
• Lower the corporate income tax rate from 21% to 20%
• Lower the corporate income tax rate to 15% for companies that make their products in the U.S.

You said previously these were just threats.  Now they are not?

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

19 hours ago, purdygood said:

You mean the Act Trump conveniently made expire come next election season? Totally not a D move at all.

So here is some info on the TCJA: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.38.3.3

If the full article doesn't come up the abstract covers the basics but essentially:

Quote

 The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 introduced sweeping changes to individual and corporate taxation. We summarize the major provisions, trace the origins of the Act, and compare it to previous tax changes. We also examine the effects on the government budget, economic activity, and distribution of resources. Based on evidence through 2019, we find that the TCJA clearly raised federal debt and increased after-tax incomes, disproportionately increasing incomes for the most affluent. Its effects on GDP and median wages seem modest at best, although clear counterfactuals are difficult to identify. The impact on investment is less certain, and research is only recently emerging that addresses this question. Empirical analysis of longer-term effects may prove difficult due to the disruptions created by the COVID-19 pandemic starting in 2020.

Additionally some of the provisions in the bill expired in 2021, some in 2022, some in 2023, some will at the end of 2024, and the whole bill at the end of 2025. 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

So here is some info on the TCJA: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.38.3.3

If the full article doesn't come up the abstract covers the basics but essentially:

Additionally some of the provisions in the bill expired in 2021, some in 2022, some in 2023, some will at the end of 2024, and the whole bill at the end of 2025. 

Thanks.  So the all the potentially "helpful ones" expire by 2025.  Either when Trump ended his 2nd term or just in time for the next election talking points. How convenient.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

Just now, purdygood said:

Thanks.  So the all the potentially "helpful ones" expire by 2025.  Either when Trump ended his 2nd term or just in time for the next election talking points. How convenient.

Yes the bill was clearly designed to run through 2 straight Trump terms and there was a hiccup in that.

It should also be noted that even with the bill in place from 2020-2024 that we still had issues with inflation and money and all that- which would seem to indicate towards there being other factors in play which would mean there is some of this that can not be laid at the feet of Biden (or Trump had he been President in 2020-2024)....but let's not go too far down that road. 

[Engorgeous George 1,781]

20 hours ago, purdygood said:

I find Trump voters mostly vote on "feels" not "facts".  But OK.   The founding father's we're likely pretty low IQ but I admire their ideas of Seperation of Church and State and 3 branches of Government who check each other.  (Except Trump has found a bunch of loopholes to abuse that)

I don't know how to comment on your take here without being very derrogatory, dismissive, and condescending

[purdygood 306]

15 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't know how to comment on your take here without being very derrogatory, dismissive, and condescending

Thanks!   I mean, they believed in Slaves.  That's pretty low IQ.  And why didn't they invent the Internet if they were so smart?   I'm not talking shizz about them, they were brilliant "for their time" but no smarter than the current average Community College student when it comes to most things.  George Washington wiped his butt with corn cobs because Toilet Paper wasnt invented yet.

[Engorgeous George 1,781]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Thanks!   I mean, they believed in Slaves.  That's pretty low IQ.

You are discussing a subject you clearly do not understand, but feel free to continue as your thoughts are quite fascinating.

[The Psychic Observer 297]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/23/nobel-prize-winning-economists-donald-trump-agenda-endorse-harris.html

Twenty-three Nobel Prize-winning economists endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris over Donald Trump in a joint letter.

The economists said Trump's economic agenda, which includes hardline tariff proposals and a slate of aggressive tax cuts, would "lead to higher prices, larger deficits, and greater inequality."