No Tax on Tips

[seafoam1 2,578]

54 minutes ago, purdygood said:

If there is no tax on tips.  What happens when people start saying "F this i'm not leaving a tip".  Prices start to go up. 

 

[Baker Boy 1,663]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Because what will constitute a tip vs a gift? People will get around it by offering more variety of things and calling it tips to get around the tax code. People who are able to do so (lawyers etc) will start to take involuntary income as tips as opposed to payments to create loopholes which will create more of a gap

None of the plans outlined account for any of this because they just said something and waited for cheers to roll in.

This stuff isn't that hard to figure out. Then easiest thing to do would be to raise the standard deduction. That would actually accomplish something and be more equitable across the board

Tips would be treated like gifts, the tax code is already written.

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

7 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Tips would be treated like gifts, the tax code is already written.

I suggest you read some more. 

Also, don't be so naive about human nature

[HotRod 35]

Government wastes too much of our money.  Less taxes the better.

[Baker Boy 1,663]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I suggest you read some more. 

Also, don't be so naive about human nature

So that’s all you got. You resort to vague insults because you can back your position.

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

41 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

So that’s all you got. You resort to vague insults because you can back your position.

I told you my position....you don't want to hear it.

[purdygood 306]

13 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 

If you used your taxed dollars to tip someone who you knew was not going to be taxed on it.... would you tip more or less?

[Baker Boy 1,663]

37 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I told you my position....you don't want to hear it.

But you have no facts or examples to back it up.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,284]

What amount is a lower income? 

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

But you have no facts or examples to back it up.

I talked about the tax code and how it would be worked around and would require them to more clearly define things. I gave examples of what would be better.

Again- you don't want to hear any of it. 

[Baker Boy 1,663]

39 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I talked about the tax code and how it would be worked around and would require them to more clearly define things. I gave examples of what would be better.

Again- you don't want to hear any of it. 

But you made that up you have no proof of anything. 

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

But you made that up you have no proof of anything. 

Holy hell dude- go back and read all the history of tax changes.....

Again- read more. Read analysis of how the terminology will be manipulated with this. 

Read

[Baker Boy 1,663]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Holy hell dude- go back and read all the history of tax changes.....

Again- read more. Read analysis of how the terminology will be manipulated with this. 

Read

Link, you should have plenty.

[edjr 6,384]

On 8/13/2024 at 3:40 AM, Gepetto said:

Better yet, I propose we eliminate all tipping. People in other countries don't tip. Employers should pay their employees, not the customers. 

you aint kidding. they also get worse service.  If a server sees a foreigner or hears a foreign voice. Take your time, be slow, don’t check on them.

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Link

https://www.efile.com/tax-history-and-the-tax-code/

"In 1913, the tax code could be printed on a single page, while modern tax codes can take up to 174 pages. However, the modern tax code is much more broad and complex than its 1913 counterpart, featuring categories for employment taxes, financing of election campaigns, coal industry health benefits, and the trust fund code. This incredible growth can be attributed to both expansions and revisions that are made to patch up tax loopholes. Over the past 10 years, it is estimated that the tax code has been amended or revised over 4,000 times."

 

So tell me again how it is written and they don't make adjustments to it. Again- reading a little bit would help you so much. 

 

 

 

[purdygood 306]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

you aint kidding. they also get worse service.  If a server sees a foreigner or hears a foreign voice. Take your time, be slow, don’t check on them.

Which is why I said this tax change would just raise prices. People would just stop tipping, the employees would earn less, complain and then demand their employers pay them more. The employers would then charge more.

[seafoam1 2,578]

1 hour ago, purdygood said:

If you used your taxed dollars to tip someone who you knew was not going to be taxed on it.... would you tip more or less?

The same amount. 

[purdygood 306]

6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The same amount. 

Good for you.  I would only start tipping for excellent service.  Most service workers would do less, knowing people like you would tip the same "tax free" so why bother.  They already go through the motions at most places and expect 22%.

 

At my Tuesday Bowling league, if I try to pay my weekly dues with a card, the machine defaults to a $20% "tip".  I'm like for what???

 

Maybe my employer can pay me $1 a month and the rest is "a tip". (wink wink)

[Baker Boy 1,663]

33 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

https://www.efile.com/tax-history-and-the-tax-code/

"In 1913, the tax code could be printed on a single page, while modern tax codes can take up to 174 pages. However, the modern tax code is much more broad and complex than its 1913 counterpart, featuring categories for employment taxes, financing of election campaigns, coal industry health benefits, and the trust fund code. This incredible growth can be attributed to both expansions and revisions that are made to patch up tax loopholes. Over the past 10 years, it is estimated that the tax code has been amended or revised over 4,000 times."

 

So tell me again how it is written and they don't make adjustments to it. Again- reading a little bit would help you so much. 

 

 

 

I will repeat once more, if you reclassify a tip as a gift, there’s no real change to the code. The code for gifts is already written and gratuities should be treated likewise and the tax code for Tips can be eliminated.

 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

I will repeat once more, if you reclassify a tip as a gift, there’s no real change to the code. The code for gifts is already written and gratuities should be treated likewise and the tax code for Tips can be eliminated.

 

But a gift is something I want to give somebody "just because i like them".  A tip is something I want to give a stranger for "extraordinary service performed on top of what I'm already paying for said services".

[Baker Boy 1,663]

16 minutes ago, purdygood said:

But a gift is something I want to give somebody "just because i like them".  A tip is something I want to give a stranger for "extraordinary service performed on top of what I'm already paying for said services".

Oops

gift

[ɡift]

noun

1. a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present:

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

27 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I will repeat once more, if you reclassify a tip as a gift, there’s no real change to the code. The code for gifts is already written and gratuities should be treated likewise and the tax code for Tips can be eliminated.

 

And again I will repeat once more, people will start classifying things differently which will lead to more hiding of things which will require rewriting of the tax code to close off those loopholes. It will also lead to more people being closely watched because of income disparities. 

 

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

Oops

 

gift

[ɡift]

noun

1. a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present:

Ok, so if my employer wants to give me a present every month because i "worked extra hard", I don't owe any taxes? Cool!

[Baker Boy 1,663]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

And again I will repeat once more, people will start classifying things differently which will lead to more hiding of things which will require rewriting of the tax code to close off those loopholes. It will also lead to more people being closely watched because of income disparities. 

 

This Is a very vague response, can you be more specific. What things are they going to classify differently and what things will they be hiding? Why don’t they do this with gifts now? What things are they hiding as gifts now? I don’t see how classifying tips as gifts can cause this, please explain.

[Baker Boy 1,663]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Ok, so if my employer wants to give me a present every month because i "worked extra hard", I don't owe any taxes? Cool!

What is stopping them from doing that now? Making tips a gift does not change what a gift is it changed what a tip is. Is this really that hard?

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

This Is a very vague response, can you be more specific. What things are they going to classify differently and what things will they be hiding? Why don’t they do this with gifts now? What things are they hiding as gifts now? I don’t see how classifying tips as gifts can cause this, please explain.

I was specific earlier about things. You flew over it to stay on the path you are on now. 

You told me too the tax code is written and won't need to be adjusted even though the tax code is FREQUENTLY being rewritten. 

[Baker Boy 1,663]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I was specific earlier about things. You flew over it to stay on the path you are on now. 

You told me too the tax code is written and won't need to be adjusted even though the tax code is FREQUENTLY being rewritten. 

I will repeat, making tips a gift does not change what a gift is it changes what a tip.

[Baker Boy 1,663]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

You told me too the tax code is written and won't need to be adjusted even though the tax code is FREQUENTLY being rewritten. 

Do you really believe this coherent statement?

[purdygood 306]

34 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

What is stopping them from doing that now? Making tips a gift does not change what a gift is it changed what a tip is. Is this really that hard?

They would have to report a gift and there is a limit.  If they paid me a cash "tip" (wink wink) it never happened. Like how it is now.

 

You think strippers who get $1,000's in cash per night in tips are reporting it? Or waiters/bartenders at high end restaurants making $100's per night in cash tips are reporting it?

[Sean Mooney 1,816]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Do you really believe this coherent statement?

You said it.

I'd ask if you really believe the tax code doesn't change

[Gepetto 1,199]

2 hours ago, purdygood said:

They would have to report a gift and there is a limit.  If they paid me a cash "tip" (wink wink) it never happened. Like how it is now.

 

You think strippers who get $1,000's in cash per night in tips are reporting it? Or waiters/bartenders at high end restaurants making $100's per night in cash tips are reporting it?

There are a lot of tips given by debit and credit cards these days. No tax on tips would allow this money to go to the waiters/waitresses tax free just like cash does and has always been tax free for most.

[purdygood 306]

27 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

There are a lot of tips given by debit and credit cards these days. No tax on tips would allow this money to go to the waiters/waitresses tax free just like cash does and has always been tax free for most.

I understand that.  As i previously said I always have cash on me.  And tip in cash currently. 
 

if everyone did that.  This wouldnt be a policy "issue" that will likely never get through Congress without a TON of pork/waste anyways. 

[nobody 2,482]

They should go the other way and ban tipping.

I'd vote for Biden's diseased vegetable brain if I could get people to stop trying to extort me for tips and just bake the server's wages into the price of the food.