Caleb Williams is the real deal.

[WhiteWonder 2,565]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s Hispanic.  

one of my giants fan friends just told me that. I remember his NFL career a bit...  they also requested to interview Flores.  Does the rooney rule require multiple minority candidate interviews?

edit:  I see it''s 2.   always thought it was 1

[listen2me 23 1,779]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't have to look for them.  You're right though, you can find anything to fit a narrative there.

Who do you want as head coach?  Assuming they dont land Ben Johnson?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Rumor of McCarthy to the Bears

[WhiteWonder 2,565]

6 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You act like I'm saying he's the best QB ever or something, I'm not.  He has a lot to improve on but he has tons of potential.  The Bears haven't had a decent QB that could lead the franchise since Jay Cutler.  They have their guy, now it's up to the owners to take advantage of it.

To be fair, you cited those "records"... so it's fair for someone to point out the bar was pretty low. 

That said, I think Caleb has the talent to be a good NFL QB. He played behind a poor offensive line is a typical excuse as well as mulltiple HC's / OC's... no one mentioned the flip side that they also surrounded him with more talent than most rookies are afforded with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Rome Adunze, DeAndre Swift and Cole Kmet.

 then again if the team wins more games early on, would there have been a new HC? Would there have been 3 OCs?  Likely not.  Being a Jets fan, it's similar. We have a moron owning the team. Robert Saleh was not a good HC but if they don't fire him after a 2-3 start, i'm sure they win more games... possibly 8 or 9.  when you take your DC and make him HC mid season, the defense is going to suffer... and it did. The offense sort of got back on track but I think that had more to do with Rodgers shaking off the rust. 

So yes, I agree. It's going to be up to ownership to take advantage of Caleb's talent. 

I still think Daniels is better and would have drafted him first but Caleb should be a good NFL QB if handled the right way.

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Who do you want as head coach?  Assuming they dont land Ben Johnson?

If not Johnson, then probably Vrabel.

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

no one mentioned the flip side that they also surrounded him with more talent than most rookies are afforded with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Rome Adunze, DeAndre Swift and Cole Kmet.

Have you seen the play calling?  Have you seen the coaching?  You can have an all star line up and will struggle with poor coaching.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Have you seen the play calling?  Have you seen the coaching?  You can have an all star line up and will struggle with poor coaching.

I don’t know about that. Sirriani and Todd Bowles don’t remind anyone of Lombardi and Landry.  Sometimes talent is enough. Barry Switzer comes to mind.  

[WhiteWonder 2,565]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Have you seen the play calling?  Have you seen the coaching?  You can have an all star line up and will struggle with poor coaching.

Yes. I understand.  I was not insinuating otherwise. I've watched it first hand with the Jets.  Wilson, Hall, Adams, Rodgers.... doesn't matter when the sideline is a mess.

I'm just pointing out that stuff like poor o-line play (which is often an issue for highly drafted rookie QB's, because... you know... the team had a top pick for a reason) always gets mentioned but rarely do you hear mention of all the weapons he had which is a luxury most highly drafted rookie QBs DONT get

 

plus, didn't the Bears line rank out pretty middle of the pack?  I believe they had a very high sack rate but a lot of that is likely Caleb holding onto the ball too long, which he was known to do in college.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

I'm not worried about Caleb Williams at all, in fact I'm even more sold after his rookie season. 

Remember, this kid was NEVER coached. In college they just threw him out there to play Hero ball. He's got unbelievable playmaking abilities and an unbelievable skillset. They can correct the sacks and him holding onto the ball too long. Everything that was bad can be corrected. 

[listen2me 23 1,779]

12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Yes. I understand.  I was not insinuating otherwise. I've watched it first hand with the Jets.  Wilson, Hall, Adams, Rodgers.... doesn't matter when the sideline is a mess.

I'm just pointing out that stuff like poor o-line play (which is often an issue for highly drafted rookie QB's, because... you know... the team had a top pick for a reason) always gets mentioned but rarely do you hear mention of all the weapons he had which is a luxury most highly drafted rookie QBs DONT get

 

plus, didn't the Bears line rank out pretty middle of the pack?  I believe they had a very high sack rate but a lot of that is likely Caleb holding onto the ball too long, which he was known to do in college.

Oh it got mentioned before the season.  Every analyst said this is one of the best situations a #1 pick has went to.  Bears fans were salivating at their fantasy football roster.  

Of course I agree that switching coaching mid-season is tough on a rookie QB.  I do realize that their OL wasnt what you would call a good unit.  

Bears fans dont know good rosters so I give them a pass.  But analysts that played the game should know that it take more than a few good weapons to make an offense potent.  

I give Caleb a solid C+ on the year everything considered.  Im not saying thr kid is toast already.   

[thegeneral 2,644]

How is this thread so many pages. He’s ok, too bad he plays on the shithouse Bears. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I give Caleb a solid C+ on the year

I'm fine with that, especially given that the o-line and coaching was pitiful. But let's not forget the traits that got him drafted consensus #1. Those were all on display and at times he made some of the most incredible throws you'll ever see. He also feels pressure very well and has eyeballs in back of his head, BUT he was always holding onto the ball way too long trying to be a hero every play. He can be coached up, let's just hope he gets the right ones. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

Just now, thegeneral said:

How is this thread so many pages. He’s ok, too bad he plays on the shithouse Bears. 

What are you doing here? You don't talk football, do you? If so I'd love to have some serious football convo with The General. 

[thegeneral 2,644]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What are you doing here? You don't talk football, do you? If so I'd love to have some serious football convo with The General. 

I’m in deep research mode for playoff football drafts. Got my team crunching the numbers.

Pick 5 in 8 team draft.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’m in deep research mode for playoff football drafts. Got my team crunching the numbers.

Pick 5 in 8 team draft.

Is it just for this week or does it carry over week to week? Because I was in one like that last season where it was for the whole playoffs. 

If a players team lost you'd use that player. Last team standing won. Almost like a guillotine league 

[thegeneral 2,644]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Is it just for this week or does it carry over week to week? Because I was in one like that last season where it was for the whole playoffs. 

If a players team lost you'd use that player. Last team standing won. Almost like a guillotine league 

This will be for whole playoffs. Team loses the player is gone. 

Got to pretty much have at least a couple players who make SB. Been doing this for years with same group. 

Will also do a bunch of side stuff but this draft is where I’ll be focusing. Looking at the seeding liking loading up on Philly for this, will settle for Detroit. 

Liking Bills on the other side but AFC is a minefield.

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This will be for whole playoffs. Team loses the player is gone. 

Got to pretty much have at least a couple players who make SB. Been doing this for years with same group. 

Will also do a bunch of side stuff but this draft is where I’ll be focusing. Looking at the seeding liking loading up on Philly for this, will settle for Detroit. 

Liking Bills on the other side but AFC is a minefield.

Yup, draft plenty of Lions, Eagles and Bills. 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

4 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I give Caleb a solid C+ on the year everything considered.  Im not saying thr kid is toast already. 

My grade is a B-

[nobody 2,500]

Caleb reminds me of Kyler Murray. 

[Baker Boy 1,667]

Remember, when Caleb Williams was drafted into the best situation a rookie quarterback has ever had?

[Maximum Overkill 1,580]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Remember, when Caleb Williams was drafted into the best situation a rookie quarterback has ever had?

But it wasn't the best situation. His o-line was God awful and his coach was even worse. 

[edjr 6,429]

On 1/6/2025 at 6:54 PM, thegeneral said:

This will be for whole playoffs. Team loses the player is gone. 

Got to pretty much have at least a couple players who make SB. Been doing this for years with same group. 

Will also do a bunch of side stuff but this draft is where I’ll be focusing. Looking at the seeding liking loading up on Philly for this, will settle for Detroit. 

Liking Bills on the other side but AFC is a minefield.

My team. 10 team draft. Whole playoffs. 6th pick.

 

Hurts, Jalen PHI QB     
Gainwell, Kenneth PHI RB    
Pierce, Dameon HOU RB   
Shipley, Will PHI RB      
Agholor, Nelson BAL WR  
Dotson, Jahan PHI WR     
Smith, DeVonta PHI WR   
Worthy, Xavier KCC WR   
Goedert, Dallas PHI TE   
Fairbairn, Ka'imi HOU PK    
Texans, Houston HOU Def

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

17 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Remember, when Caleb Williams was drafted into the best situation a rookie quarterback has ever had?

On paper, it was the best situation a number 1 overall QB had been drafted into.  The Bears did what they always do though.

[avoiding injuries 1,411]

Chicago dodged a bullet (no pun intended) by not giving him equity in the team when he was drafted. 
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/caleb-williams-nfl-ownership-draft-player-owners-history/d379d282e902db1381ff3ba0

It has been reported that the quarterback told teams that he was looking for a minority stake in whatever team selects him at the 2024 draft. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

On paper, it was the best situation a number 1 overall QB had been drafted into.  The Bears did what they always do though.

Who had the second best? 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

54 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who had the second best? 

I don't know off the top of my head.  I know that the 1st overall pick usually goes to the worst team each year and that the Bears were the exception that year.  Rarely does a rookie QB have that many weapons on offense.

[Alias Detective 1,345]

Caleb Williams for Mike Tomlin?

[seafoam1 2,617]

17 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't know off the top of my head.  I know that the 1st overall pick usually goes to the worst team each year and that the Bears were the exception that year.  Rarely does a rookie QB have that many weapons on offense.

Don't bother. These guys don't realize coaching and GMs affect the quality of a team. They don't know that ANY QB behind one of the worst o-lines in the league will not win. They don't know that a run game is the QBs best friend. 

Washington was #3 in rushing and the Bears were #25. 

I don't know the number on first down rushes the Bears had, but it's probably like 38th in the league. Not even good enough to be mentioned as part of the other 31 teams. 

They don't realize that Caleb Williams had 3 OCs and 2 Head coaches in his rookie year in the league. Great stuff. 

 

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,259]

One of the craziest stats I saw was the amount of sacks that Williams avoided. We all know he was sacked over 60 times but he also avoided 50 sacks. That’s ridiculous. 

[MLCKAA 521]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who had the second best? 

Andrew Luck?

Stroud?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

48 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Don't bother. These dopes don't realize coaching and GMs affect the quality of a team. They don't know that ANY QB behind one of the worst o-lines in the league will not win. They don't know that a run game is the QBs best friend. 

Washington was #3 in rushing and the Bears were #25. 

I don't know the number on first down rushes the Bears had, but it's probably like 38th in the league. Not even good enough to be mentioned as part of the other 31 teams. 

They don't realize that Caleb Williams had 3 OCs and 2 Head coaches in his rookie year in the league. Great stuff. 

 

 

 

lol. Thinks Washington was # 3 in rushing because of their running backs. 

[seafoam1 2,617]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

lol. Thinks Washington was # 3 in rushing because of their running backs. 

This guy thinks the words "rushing game" is synonymous with "running backs". He doesn't even know what an offensive line does in football.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

This guy thinks the words "rushing game" is synonymous with "running backs". He doesn't even know what an offensive line does in football.  

You make very little to no sense. 

[seafoam1 2,617]

30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You make very little to no sense. 

Where did I say "running backs"?

3 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Don't bother. These dopes don't realize coaching and GMs affect the quality of a team. They don't know that ANY QB behind one of the worst o-lines in the league will not win. They don't know that a run game is the QBs best friend. 

Washington was #3 in rushing and the Bears were #25. 

I don't know the number on first down rushes the Bears had, but it's probably like 38th in the league. Not even good enough to be mentioned as part of the other 31 teams. 

They don't realize that Caleb Williams had 3 OCs and 2 Head coaches in his rookie year in the league. Great stuff. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

lol. Thinks Washington was # 3 in rushing because of their running backs. 

Come on and tell me. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Where did I say "running backs"?

Come on and tell me peanut? 

We’re comparing QB’s dumbass. Part of Daniels game is running, which is the reason for Washington’s lofty run stats. Williams provided no such boost.  If you put Williams on Washington their run game would be shitt. Schools out. 

[seafoam1 2,617]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We’re comparing QB’s dumbass. Part of Daniels game is running, which is the reason for Washington’s lofty run stats. Williams provided no such boost.  If you put Williams on Washington their run game would be shitt. Schools out. 

Yeah, coaching and o-line is meaningless in the NFL. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, coaching and o-line is meaningless in the NFL. 

Didn’t say that. I was just destroying your point about Washington having a good running game and it being a help to Daniels.  

[seafoam1 2,617]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t say that. I was just destroying your point about Washington having a good running game and it being a help to Daniels.  

"A good run game doesn't help the quarterback".

[Hardcore troubadour 14,424]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

"A good run game doesn't help the quarterback".

Washington didn’t have a good running game idiot. 

[seafoam1 2,617]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Washington didn’t have a good running game idiot. 

3rd in the NFL with 154.1 yards per game? Only behind Baltimore and Philadelphia? Oh yeah, they sucked.