I know the Giants are going to suck but....

[NelsonAlgren 9]

How are they a home dog to Sam Darnold?

[kilroy69 1,159]

18 minutes ago, NelsonAlgren said:

How are they a home dog to Sam Darnold?

Daniel Jones has been exposed all you have to do is blitz him and he can not adjust. Darnold can at least get the ball to JJ

[NelsonAlgren 9]

Now I have to go change all my knockout pools..

[weepaws 3,006]

Again. 

[Ray_T 718]

2 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Daniel Jones has been exposed all you have to do is blitz him and he can not adjust. Darnold can at least get the ball to JJ

well, yes and no.   the line was exposed more than he was.   the line was basically a turnstile.  I dont know that there are more than one or two QB that could have performed behind that line.

It looks like they have made some changes that I have to believe make the line better.   admittedly part of the problem was injuries last year but a lot was bad play.

I think with a little time to throw and an actual true #1 WR on the roster they will be better.

now whether they are better enough to be good is one thing, but I think they should be able to beat Darnold.    but the bar is very low.

[listen2me 23 1,756]

They are a slight home dog.  Nothing crazy. 

Sam Darnold may not be good but to this point hes proven more capable than Jones.  Minny has better weapons and OL.  Who has the better defense?   

Not a lot of positions where you can say thr Giants have the edge.  They are a bad team. 

Giants were bad last year.  They lost 2 of their best players.  Barkley and McKinney.  

[GobbleDog 918]

I'm betting on Vikings. People will be eating some crow for all the Sam Darnold bashing that's been going on before the season is over.  Either that, or I'll help myself to some.

[gcmmidwest 146]

They better sign a Ryan Tannehill or somebody because darnolds backups are horrid now that JJ is out for the year 

[Ray_T 718]

3 hours ago, gcmmidwest said:

They better sign a Ryan Tannehill or somebody because darnolds backups are horrid now that JJ is out for the year 

I think Tannehill might play well in that offense.   at least... well by his standards.  not necessarily well by yours.  

[Ray_T 718]

5 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm betting on Vikings. People will be eating some crow for all the Sam Darnold bashing that's been going on before the season is over.  Either that, or I'll help myself to some.

well, Darnold has never had better WR than he does now.  if he cant cut it here, he likely cant cut it anywere as a starter.

[RareN64Dream 21]

Vikings signed a back up also. Brett Rypein. I think, Nick Mullens is the 2nd on the depth chart and Sam Darnold is starter.

[gcmmidwest 146]

4 minutes ago, RareN64Dream said:

Vikings signed a back up also. Brett Rypein. I think, Nick Mullens is the 2nd on the depth chart and Sam Darnold is starter.

Mark Rypein's nephew 

[nobody 2,461]

Darnold is pretty good when there is no pressure.  He'll probably be decent until the Vikings win a couple of games and they start getting some attention.  Then he'll collapse under the pressure like he always does going all the way back to win he played at USC.

[MDC 6,754]

Vikings are below average. Giants are among the worst teams in football. Looking at NYG schedule, they might be favored in 2 games all year.

[HotRod 35]

Good teaser spot for the Giants, paired with bengals.

[weepaws 3,006]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

Darnold is pretty good when there is no pressure.  He'll probably be decent until the Vikings win a couple of games and they start getting some attention.  Then he'll collapse under the pressure like he always does going all the way back to win he played at USC.

All qbs would fall into that category of, good when there is no pressure.  

[gcmmidwest 146]

Nabers

[listen2me 23 1,756]

21 minutes ago, gcmmidwest said:

Nabers

Fan of Nabers.  Loved him coming out.  Liked him maybe more than Harrison on potential.  Hes special.  

But I feel like he was overdrafted in his rookie season in fantasy.   Quickly looking at ADP.  He was slightly ahead of Higgins, Pickens, Pittman....to.me that too much with Dan Jones at QB throwing for 175 yards a game.  

I guess it will depend on how much they just force him the ball.  But I could easily see him being shy of 1000 yards this season.  Not sure his TD upside either.   

[Ray_T 718]

36 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fan of Nabers.  Loved him coming out.  Liked him maybe more than Harrison on potential.  Hes special.  

But I feel like he was overdrafted in his rookie season in fantasy.   Quickly looking at ADP.  He was slightly ahead of Higgins, Pickens, Pittman....to.me that too much with Dan Jones at QB throwing for 175 yards a game.  

I guess it will depend on how much they just force him the ball.  But I could easily see him being shy of 1000 yards this season.  Not sure his TD upside either.   

honestly its tough to project any rookie WR to get over 1000 yards.  sure it happens, but the guy needs to be a finished product dropping into a good situation.   even then, there is still a learning curve once the guy hits the NFL.

only WR in this class I'd even consider taking that early is Harrison.    Nabers has similar talent but doesnt have as good a team around him and that will hurt his numbers

I dont mind projecting Nabers for 800 to 850 yards though.   and thats a pretty good rookie season for a WR

[listen2me 23 1,756]

10 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

honestly its tough to project any rookie WR to get over 1000 yards.  sure it happens, but the guy needs to be a finished product dropping into a good situation.   even then, there is still a learning curve once the guy hits the NFL.

only WR in this class I'd even consider taking that early is Harrison.    Nabers has similar talent but doesnt have as good a team around him and that will hurt his numbers

I dont mind projecting Nabers for 800 to 850 yards though.   and thats a pretty good rookie season for a WR

I dont think 1000 yards in 17 games is a whole lot these days.  Especially for such a highly touted prospect.   

Thats where he was being drafted tho.  Just felt like his ADP was high.  I had 2 drafts and his name didnt even come across my mind by the time he was drafted in both.  

[nobody 2,461]

5 hours ago, weepaws said:

All qbs would fall into that category of, good when there is no pressure.  

False.  There are plenty of QBs who are bad no matter what.  Nathan Peterman, Aiden O'Connell, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, ...

[weepaws 3,006]

49 minutes ago, nobody said:

False.  There are plenty of QBs who are bad no matter what.  Nathan Peterman, Aiden O'Connell, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, ...

Not true, all those qbs are good without pressure.  

[Super Cubs 151]

took a flyer on Tyrone Tracy he could become a good ppr bye week filler 

[Ray_T 718]

6 hours ago, weepaws said:

Not true, all those qbs are good without pressure.  

at the NFL level there are not a lot of QBs who throw without pressure.   There is always someone trying to bat down your passes or getting in the face of the QB.  either you can play with pressure, or you dont remain a starting QB at the NFL level very long.

in general the QB's internal clock to process plays has to allow them to get rid of the ball before pressure gets there.   so the ability of the QB to function(or lack thereof) is based on how fast the pressure comes and how fast the QB can do their reads.

in general, the speed with which the pressure arrives is fairly consistent unless you have a top 5 or 6 line or a bottom 5 or 6 line.   if you have a bottom 5 or 6 line, your QB better be lightning quick at getting rid of the ball.

cousins played behind a suspect line the last year or two with success but This is not something you typically see.   Danny dimes played behind a subpar line. Then when injuries hit it got even worse.  to a point where I think it was the worst or second worst line in football and then he got hurt.    

the line was better and healthier the year prior and so was Danny Dimes performance.   No surprise there.

they have brought in some players to shore the line up.   It is possible that Dimes reverts to be more like the QB of 2 years ago (but with more talent at WR)

problem with bringing in new players to a line is sometimes it does take time to learn to work together.   so there will likely still be some growing pains but I cannot see it being as bad as it was last year.   so while I am not endorsing Danny Dimes, I do think there is a chance the good danny dimes we saw will return if that line is actually improved.    He has better weapons, so it could be a fairly dramatic turnaround..... if they have not already ruined Danny dimes as a player to this point.

 

[weepaws 3,006]

Right, pressure does make even the best QBs avg,  and good QBs out of the nfl, or backups.  But pressure does effect all qbs, Which why Def like to pressure the Qb.  

[nobody 2,461]

Another derailment by weepaws.  I was talking about the pressure of big games.  Not pressure from the defense.  

[weepaws 3,006]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

Another derailment by weepaws.  I was talking about the pressure of big games.  Not pressure from the defense.  

 

16 hours ago, weepaws said:

All qbs would fall into that category of, good when there is no pressure.  

Exactly

[nobody 2,461]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

 

Exactly

But yeah, you're still wrong as well.

[Sean Mooney 1,815]

Patrick Mahomes I believe is pretty notably better under pressure than being allowed to just throw with no pressure. At least in 2022-2023 he was 

[weepaws 3,006]

Doesn’t look good. 

[NelsonAlgren 9]

They are worse than I thought.

[weepaws 3,006]

Did everyone take the under, wasn’t six wins.  

[nobody 2,461]

On 9/4/2024 at 5:31 AM, nobody said:

Darnold is pretty good when there is no pressure.  He'll probably be decent until the Vikings win a couple of games and they start getting some attention.  Then he'll collapse under the pressure like he always does going all the way back to win he played at USC.

The hype is starting to build.  He's probably got 1-3 games left before the wheels start coming off.

[TBayXXXVII 2,390]

5 hours ago, nobody said:

The hype is starting to build.  He's probably got 1-3 games left before the wheels start coming off.

WhY dO yOu HaTe SaM dArNoLd??  He HaS jEfFeRsOn!!

(need to ignore the fact that DJ Moore was a lot better with Fields than Darnold, of course).

[Nomad99 646]

Wan'Dale is the savior......

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

At what point do they fire Daboll? His teams get worse every year. Nothing but excuses for this Meathead. 

[jrokh 596]

17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

At what point do they fire Daboll? His teams get worse every year. Nothing but excuses for this Meathead. 

Probably not until the Iggles fire Sirianni...

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

2 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Probably not until the Iggles fire Sirianni...

Except one team Wins and the other is the laughing stock of the league.  

I can't imagine how embarrassing it must be to be a Giants fan. I mean, it's bad enough you're from North Jersey and play second to the Jets  

[jrokh 596]

11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Except one team Wins and the other is the laughing stock of the league.  

I can't imagine how embarrassing it must be to be a Giants fan. I mean, it's bad enough you're from North Jersey and play second to the Jets  

One team has four Super bowl championships, the other has one. Talk about embarrassing...

[Maximum Overkill 1,363]

52 minutes ago, jrokh said:

One team has four Super bowl championships, the other has one. Talk about embarrassing...

One teams fans live in the past and the other is in the Playoffs every year  It must suck watching meaningless football every week. 

I'm sad for you