Keep your Bible to yourself

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

That is all.

[MDC 6,754]

Thank you.

amen  

[seafoam1 2,525]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That is all.

Keep your opinions to yourself. 

Isn't that your point?

Practice what you preach. 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

4 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Keep your opinions to yourself. 

Isn't that your point?

Practice what you preach. 

Pushing religion on others is not sharing your opinion.  

[seafoam1 2,525]

44 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Pushing religion on others is not sharing your opinion.  

Yes it is. It's annoying for sure, but whatever. I've seen many on this site push anti God, and that's the same thing. Opinion. Same thing with the scary climate crisis!!!  and the chinese flu shots!!! 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Yes it is. It's annoying for sure, but whatever. I've seen many on this site push anti God, and that's the same thing. Opinion. Same thing with the scary climate crisis!!!  and the chinese flu shots!!! 

Weepaws isn't sharing his opinion.  These are his beliefs that he believes are 100% factual and that we need to agree or we're going to hell.  See the difference?

[Baker Boy 1,647]

23 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Weepaws isn't sharing his opinion.  These are his beliefs that he believes are 100% factual and that we need to agree or we're going to hell.  See the difference?

So you don’t believe your opinions and that makes it OK? Let me get this straight, if we believe something 100% we should not be allowed to post it.

you never mentioned Weepaws in the OP why are you adding him to the conversation now?

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

So you don’t believe your opinions and that makes it OK? Let me get this straight, if we believe something 100% we should not be allowed to post it.

you never mentioned Weepaws in the OP why are you adding him to the conversation now?

The title was obviously in response to his bible thread.

I'm specifically talking about religion, not other opinions.

[cmh6476 918]

part of Christianity and the teachings of the Bible is to spread the word.  So the book you are telling people not to push is intended to be shared through the words in the book.

Not that it's what I do, but those who do are led to believe it's what is right.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

5 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

part of Christianity and the teachings of the Bible is to spread the word.  So the book you are telling people not to push is intended to be shared through the words in the book.

Not that it's what I do, but those who do are led to believe it's what is right.

 

I get that but it's a different era.  The Bible is everywhere.  Anyone can read it whenever they want.

[seafoam1 2,525]

47 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I get that but it's a different era.  The Bible is everywhere.  Anyone can read it whenever they want.

He does push it to the point where I'm not a fan in the least of him. And I have faith in God. He's like the pushy, obnoxious car salesman version of believing in God.

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

He does push it to the point where I'm not a fan in the least of him. And I have faith in God. He's like the pushy, obnoxious car salesman version of believing in God.

I don't have a major issue with religion.  What you just said is what I dislike most about religion.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,163]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Weepaws isn't sharing his opinion.  These are his beliefs that he believes are 100% factual and that we need to agree or we're going to hell.  See the difference?

Why the fock would you care enough to start a thread about what weeps said? 

[Hawkeye21 2,211]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why the fock would you care enough to start a thread about what weeps said? 

It was a joke

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

there is a difference between sharing / spreading the word and pushing your beliefs onto others. I respect people who make an effort to know if you are open to or interested in hearing something about their particular faith, and want to talk WITH you, rather than talk AT you.  It especially rubs me the wrong way when people act as if their religion is the one true religion, nothing else could be correct, and you are wrong for not sharing their beliefs. 

there are so many religions in the world, it makes it kind of comical to act as if yours is the only way. Especially when you consider that a majority of people grow up with the faith they simply learned as a child without ever actually comparing religions and choosing for themselves. 

[Engorgeous George 1,774]

11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

He does push it to the point where I'm not a fan in the least of him. And I have faith in God. He's like the pushy, obnoxious car salesman version of believing in God.

You would think that God could find better representatives.

[seafoam1 2,525]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

You would think that God could find better representatives.

It's like everything else in life. It's made up of humans. Every walk of life, every profession, every community, everywhere, has it's completely obnoxious, shy, loud, quiet, violent, kind, human representatives. 

[BudBro 168]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Especially when you consider that a majority of people grow up with the faith they simply learned as a child without ever actually comparing religions and choosing for themselves. 

Hinduism has 330 million gods.  Buddhism has 5.  Muslims, Jews, and Christians have one, yet with varying tenets as to the One God.  Only Christianity presents witnesses who testify of the One God making Himself human and entering creation.  One can be logically led to the water.  Only faith will allow one to drink.

[BudBro 168]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

You would think that God could find better representatives.

In the last half of Acts 5, the apostles are rounded up and arrested for preaching about Jesus in the temple in Jerusalem.  One of the religious leaders suggested the council leave the apostles be and that the movement would die out if it wasn't real.  They agreed, and let them go with a beating and an admonition.  One of the greatest lines ever written says...

Act 5:41  And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame (disgrace) for his name (Jesus).

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

1 hour ago, BudBro said:

 One can be logically led to the water.  Only faith will allow one to drink.

ah, one of those "mine is the only way" people.  Because naturally you can lead me to water (your religion) by using nothing but pure logic and fact...  but then I just need the faith to drink (believe). 

Question.  Since only Christianity presents witnesses who testify of the One God making Himself human and entering creation,  what proof is there of the accuracy of the account... without citing the bible? 

I believe there are some mentions in non biblical texts but nothing that would come close to being definitive proof.

Not that one needs definitive proof to have faith, but you're stating it as such.... which further speaks to my point. 

[BudBro 168]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

ah, one of those "mine is the only way" people.

Your comment suggested you were talking about "faith" in a god or God as learned as a child from family.  Maybe you weren't.  I should've asked first.

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Since only Christianity presents witnesses who testify of the One God making Himself human and entering creation,  what proof is there of the accuracy of the account... without citing the bible?  

Not that one needs definitive proof to have faith, but you're stating it as such.... which further speaks to my point. 

I can't follow the reasoning of the last sentence you wrote.  I didn't state "one needs definitive proof."  I offered the testimony of witnesses as proof.  That's how most juries decide cases.  You asked for something outside of eyewitness testimony. 

There are 20k+ manuscripts (in various languages) that have been found, some from only 100 years after the originals.  The text of the witnesses is virtually the same today as it was before the year 200.  The same scribal accuracy is found with the writings of Homer and Hippocrates. 

A Roman historian named Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, who was the chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian and who had access to the imperial records, mentions Jesus in a section he wrote concerning the reign of Emperor Claudius. He refers to Christ using the variant spelling of "Chrestus."  "Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he (Claudius) expelled them from the city" (ibid., chapter entitled "Ancient Historians").

"Cornelius Tacitus (AD 55-120) is often called the “greatest historian” of ancient Rome (he called Christianity "the destructive superstition"). He authored two large works — the Annals and the Histories.  Much of what he wrote is now lost to us.  Fortunately, there’s one remaining portion which is of interest to this discussion. The portion describes Nero blaming the Christians for the great fire of Rome (AD 64). It reports:

Therefore, to stop the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits and punished in the utmost refinements of cruelty, a class of men, loathed for their vices, whom the crowd styled Christians. Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus, and the pernicious superstition was checked for a moment, only to break out once more, not merely in Judea, the home of the disease, but in the capital itself, where all things horrible or shameful in the world collect and find a vogue.1"  link  (All of this corroborates to what the witnesses of the Bible testified.)

First century Jewish historian, Josephus, (one of 10 governors in Jerusalem elected to oversee the war against Rome in late 60s AD) mentions Jesus twice in his writings.  link

The Pilate Stone was found in 1961, a limestone block with an inscription referencing "Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea."  Pilate, of course, is named in the Bible as the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion for rebellion against the state.

Lots of emperical truth out there, to include excavations.  Shroud of Turin was just dated to the time of Jesus. 

[WhiteWonder 2,476]

Correct, you offered the testimony of witnesses as proof and I asked how anyone can validate these testimonies? What is to keep someone from BSing such a testimony … and since it strengthens the case for Christianity, it must be accurate   

 

you then go on to quote a bunch of stuff about historians and Jesus  I don’t think anyone disputes Jesus was a person    

but again, I didn’t enter this thread to argue specific religions. 
 

Im lamenting the overall concept that people often tend to push their specific religion onto others and act as if there is no other alternative. Youre helping prove that point 

 

[Horseman 1,986]

20 minutes ago, BudBro said:

Your comment suggested you were talking about "faith" in a god or God as learned as a child from family.  Maybe you weren't.  I should've asked first.

I can't follow the reasoning of the last sentence you wrote.  I didn't state "one needs definitive proof."  I offered the testimony of witnesses as proof.  That's how most juries decide cases.  You asked for something outside of eyewitness testimony. 

There are 20k+ manuscripts (in various languages) that have been found, some from only 100 years after the originals.  The text of the witnesses is virtually the same today as it was before the year 200.  The same scribal accuracy is found with the writings of Homer and Hippocrates. 

A Roman historian named Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, who was the chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian and who had access to the imperial records, mentions Jesus in a section he wrote concerning the reign of Emperor Claudius. He refers to Christ using the variant spelling of "Chrestus."  "Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he (Claudius) expelled them from the city" (ibid., chapter entitled "Ancient Historians").

"Cornelius Tacitus (AD 55-120) is often called the “greatest historian” of ancient Rome (he called Christianity "the destructive superstition"). He authored two large works — the Annals and the Histories.  Much of what he wrote is now lost to us.  Fortunately, there’s one remaining portion which is of interest to this discussion. The portion describes Nero blaming the Christians for the great fire of Rome (AD 64). It reports:

Therefore, to stop the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits and punished in the utmost refinements of cruelty, a class of men, loathed for their vices, whom the crowd styled Christians. Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus, and the pernicious superstition was checked for a moment, only to break out once more, not merely in Judea, the home of the disease, but in the capital itself, where all things horrible or shameful in the world collect and find a vogue.1"  link  (All of this corroborates to what the witnesses of the Bible testified.)

First century Jewish historian, Josephus, (one of 10 governors in Jerusalem elected to oversee the war against Rome in late 60s AD) mentions Jesus twice in his writings.  link

The Pilate Stone was found in 1961, a limestone block with an inscription referencing "Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea."  Pilate, of course, is named in the Bible as the one who sentenced Jesus to crucifixion for rebellion against the state.

Lots of emperical truth out there, to include excavations.  Shroud of Turin was just dated to the time of Jesus. 

Buddha, Muhammad and Joseph Smith were real people too.  That doesn't prove anything.

[edjr 6,300]

 

[Flipper 59]

And it all boils down to free speech

[squistion 1,655]

23 hours ago, BudBro said:

Hinduism has 330 million gods.  Buddhism has 5.  Muslims, Jews, and Christians have one, yet with varying tenets as to the One God.  Only Christianity presents witnesses who testify of the One God making Himself human and entering creation.  One can be logically led to the water.  Only faith will allow one to drink.

No Buddhism doesn't have or worship any gods.

From Google search (courtesy of their AI, which isn't a god either)

Buddhism does not worship many gods; it is considered a non-theistic religion, meaning it does not believe in a creator deity or gods to worship, although some forms of Buddhism may include figures like bodhisattvas that are revered as spiritual guides on the path to enlightenment, but not worshipped as gods in the traditional sense. 

 

[weepaws 3,006]

1 John 4:17.  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of Judgement, be as He is, so are we in this world if you walk with Jesus, there is no need to fear judgement.  

Time to Accept Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, there is no other way to the Kingdom of Jesus Father, God, everything else is just a fake , and leads one right into the arms o& the Antichrist.  Hell. 

Amen Thanks 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

Oklahoma craps on First Amendment with plan to put Clownzo Bibles in public schools.

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-trump-endorsed-f8001269aadca5b41712c6ec80e34f69

[Gepetto 1,192]

6 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Oklahoma craps on First Amendment with plan to put Clownzo Bibles in public schools.

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-trump-endorsed-f8001269aadca5b41712c6ec80e34f69

You don't understand the First Amendment.

[IndyColtsFan 325]

20 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

You don't understand the First Amendment.

I understand that MAGAturds throw it out there when a social-media company cuts off Clownzo's nonsense or Fox gets its ass kicked in court over misinformation but deny the part about "separation of church and state." Kind of like MAGAturds twisting around the Second Amendment.

[Baker Boy 1,647]

5 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

I understand that MAGAturds throw it out there when a social-media company cuts off Clownzo's nonsense or Fox gets its ass kicked in court over misinformation but deny the part about "separation of church and state."

I believe the Bible, the Koran, etc. should be included in school libraries but none of it should be taught in the classroom.

[seafoam1 2,525]

5 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

I understand that MAGAturds throw it out there when a social-media company cuts off Clownzo's nonsense or Fox gets its ass kicked in court over misinformation but deny the part about "separation of church and state." Kind of like MAGAturds twisting around the Second Amendment.

TDS being maxed out pimpledoosh. 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I believe the Bible, the Koran, etc. should be included in school libraries but none of it should be taught in the classroom.

Yep. Christian dogma has no place in public schools. 

[Baker Boy 1,647]

36 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Oklahoma craps on First Amendment with plan to put Clownzo Bibles in public schools.

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-trump-endorsed-f8001269aadca5b41712c6ec80e34f69

From your link. 
 

Oklahoma’s top education official is seeking to purchase 55,000 Bibles for public schools and specifying that each copy contain the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution, which are not commonly found in Bibles but are included in one endorsed by former President Donald Trump.

[seafoam1 2,525]

5 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Yep. Christian dogma has no place in public schools. 

TDS maxed out. 

[Baker Boy 1,647]

47 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Oklahoma craps on First Amendment with plan to put Clownzo Bibles in public schools.

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-trump-endorsed-f8001269aadca5b41712c6ec80e34f69

https://www.biblesinschools.org/stories/bibles-in-schools-are-in-all-50-states

Bibles in Schools are in all 50 States!
 

 

[Patented Phil 1,268]

Nice country these God-less Leftists have created, isn’t it?

[IndyColtsFan 325]

45 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

https://www.biblesinschools.org/stories/bibles-in-schools-are-in-all-50-states

Bibles in Schools are in all 50 States!
 

 

Are they REQUIRED in classrooms and just happen to be Bibles that meet the criteria that only Trump Bibles meet?

I have no problem with the Bible, Koran, Torah, etc. being in school libraries.

How apeshit would MAGA go if Harris put out Bibles to raise money for her political campaign?

These are some mighty crazy times. 

 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

48 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Nice country these God-less Leftists have created, isn’t it?

Eighty-one percent of Americans believe in God.

That's a long way from "Godless."

Another dumbass, ignorant MAGAturd.