Ha is there any advantage to this?

[cyclone24 1,912]

So I have AJ Brown and Devante Smith. My opponent this week has Jalen hurts. I was playing Taysom Hill at tight end but I see Dallas Goeddert is available. Could I basically snuff out his quarterback and take all the yards and touchdowns from him?

1pt per 10

1 pt every 25 for qb

[[echo] 82]

and if his QB sucks, so do your WR1, WR2, and TE

[yetilives 1]

There is the possibility of S Barkley having a day.. Also, If they have a bad game (see the dolphins last night or the bengals last week) you have 3 players bust and they have only one.  

[Showboat 251]

Ahhhh, cancel-out theory is alive and well.  If you think Goedert will score more points than Hill, go ahead and start him.  Making that decision because your opponent has Hurts is ill-advised - next thing you know, Dotson will catch a couple TD passes, Hurts will call his own number a lot and/or the O will lean heavily on Barkley.

[JagFan 140]

Play whoever you have ranked higher…always

[nobody 2,527]

I prefer to use cancel out when you already have a lead and your trying to protect it.  You don't meet all the criteria yet.  Start Taysom.

[TBayXXXVII 2,441]

2 hours ago, JagFan said:

Play whoever you have ranked higher…always

 

1 hour ago, nobody said:

I prefer to use cancel out when you already have a lead and your trying to protect it.  You don't meet all the criteria yet.  Start Taysom.

@cyclone24: This... both.

[nobody 2,527]

Cancel Out Theory is very complex and very specialized.  Most FF managers don't understand it, but I'll give you my guidelines for cancel out:

1. You don't have a clear feeling for who may score more.
2. The QB is more advantageous to use for cancelling out since all the pass catcher's points come from the QB.
3. If using a pass catcher as the player to cancel out a QB, it's best to use the primary pass catcher.
4. It's best to only use cancel out in Sunday/Monday night games where you are protecting a lead and want correlated outcomes between yourself and opponent.

The OP only appears to meet guideline 1 (if that) and guideline 3 which supersedes using the 3rd or maybe 4th option.

[Ray_T 731]

5 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

So I have AJ Brown and Devante Smith. My opponent this week has Jalen hurts. I was playing Taysom Hill at tight end but I see Dallas Goeddert is available. Could I basically snuff out his quarterback and take all the yards and touchdowns from him?

1pt per 10

1 pt every 25 for qb

if the matchup is good, I can see it being a good strategy.

if the matchup is bad.... not so much.

if the team plays poorly you obviously put yourself in a bad spot.

[cyclone24 1,912]

hmm interesting. Great input. Thanks fellas….best of luck this week. 

[weepaws 3,096]

20 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

if the matchup is good, I can see it being a good strategy.

if the matchup is bad.... not so much.

if the team plays poorly you obviously put yourself in a bad spot.

If the team plays good the OP could be in a bad spot, the Eagles could score four rushing tds, a couple of them from Hurts.  

[Ray_T 731]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

If the team plays good the OP could be in a bad spot, the Eagles could score four rushing tds, a couple of them from Hurts.  

also a risk.  

Though I am starting to think Barkley may be poaching a number of the Hurts Tush Push TD.  Especially with Kelce Retired.  he had a lot of power to move the line forward.  Not sure if his replacement can do it the way he did.

[weepaws 3,096]

AJ Brown just popped up on the injury list.  

[polecatt 474]

Play the players you think will score you the most points.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,624]

There is no cancel out theory. I mean, people talk about it but it’s not a real thing. 

As already mentioned starting a bunch of receivers that catch passes from your opponents quarterback does not guarantee that he won’t call his own number or that the running back won’t have a big game out of the backfield or the pass catcher that you don’t own goes off randomly. 
 

if your opponent has say Kirk cousins on MNF and you have a decent lead and need to choose between Devonta smith and Drake London, You should still generally go with the player you were going to start anyway if that wasn’t London then starting London specifically to “ cancel out” cousins would be foolish as cousins could simply throw to pits and bijan as well as London and your opponent could catch you from behind. 
 

The only time it makes a modicum of sense is if you’re opponent had Drake London and you were deciding between Jalen hurts and Kirk cousins for example then you might be able to rationalize that every time London scores points you will also be scoring points. Albeit fewer points, especially in PPR, but cousins will also accrue additional stats throwing to other players. 
 

I’m using this week Monday night game as an example. It’s not a great example because I don’t see why you would ever start cousins over hurts in any situation but you get the idea.

[nobody 2,527]

Cancel out very much exists.  It's real and it's spectacular.

[easilyscan 773]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

Cancel out very much exists.  It's real and it's spectacular.

Nice Seinfeld reference!

[TimHauck 2,513]

On 9/13/2024 at 2:48 PM, nobody said:

Cancel Out Theory is very complex and very specialized.  Most FF managers don't understand it, but I'll give you my guidelines for cancel out:

1. You don't have a clear feeling for who may score more.
2. The QB is more advantageous to use for cancelling out since all the pass catcher's points come from the QB.
3. If using a pass catcher as the player to cancel out a QB, it's best to use the primary pass catcher.
4. It's best to only use cancel out in Sunday/Monday night games where you are protecting a lead and want correlated outcomes between yourself and opponent.

The OP only appears to meet guideline 1 (if that) and guideline 3 which supersedes using the 3rd or maybe 4th option.

Agree with this except #3, it should really only be used with QB’s when playing against a stud WR, as you know barring injury or rushing stats the WR’s points will be coming courtesy of the QB.

Using three guys to try to “cancel out” one which isn’t even guaranteed doesn’t sound like a good value.

[cyclone24 1,912]

So now that Brown is out, I’m gonna slide Smith in since he’ll be the number one. Picked up Dallas Goeddert. I think I’m gonna play him over Taysom Hill. 
Moved to Amari Cooper to my flex instead.

It’s one of those I’m sure whichever one I pick will be the wrong one 

[LunaTick 30]

Cancel out theory in FFL doesn't exist.

What wins is playing your best. 
You just have to weigh out the likelihood of that.

That stated, Taysom Hill is a lottery ticket (high risk for hope of a reward).

Goedert it depends upon if the 2022 stats version or the 2023 stats version

right now I'd say is a slight edge to Hill

[nobody 2,527]

Cancel out theory exists.  It is an inexorable truth that wide receiver points are correlated to QB points.  Where people mess up is they try to apply it too liberally.

[LunaTick 30]

Cancel Out I would only apply it as a tie breaker situation

Don't bench the best option / your studs to play a mind game on yourself

Remember sometimes NFL teams will cancel each other out. Not produce any points and now you have 3 players tied up on a low scoring game.

BTW, AJ is out this week. 

[jrokh 601]

Cancel out theory may exist, but it makes no sense. Your score has nothing to do with your opponent’s score. The Theory that makes sense is to play the players that score the most points. To play a guy that might score less points based on your opponent is madness…

[TimHauck 2,513]

2 hours ago, LunaTick said:

Cancel Out I would only apply it as a tie breaker situation

 

Cool so it does exist