Mass Deportation

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

15 hours ago, purdygood said:

The "blue left" may be over represented by the census.  And the House. But the "Red Right" is over represented in the Senate.  The President shouldn't need the Electoral College.  It should be elected by ALL the citizens regardless of where they live.
 

Then they can all work together.
 

But the "Red Right" has a advantage in two of those three currently... Because of the Electoral College. So a lot of "Blue Voters" feel like Rural areas (less people) are making decisions for them. (More people) Just like many Rural voters are "afraid" CA and NY will make decisions for them if it goes away. 

This may be a good time for a declared “centrist” to finally read Federalist Paper #10. I saved you the time and asked grok to frame it in a dumbed-down context. 
 

In our current political landscape, we've seen how deeply divided we can become. Social media, political parties, and special interest groups have all contributed to creating what we might call "factions" - groups of citizens united by some common passion or interest that differs from the rights of others.

The Problem: 
Whenever you get a bunch of people together, they're bound to disagree on stuff. These disagreements often lead to factions. Each faction might push its own agenda, which might not align with the common good. Historically, this could lead to civil unrest or even tyranny by the majority.

Examples:
Think of how environmental policies can pit urban professionals against rural workers, or how debates on healthcare divide us by income levels or moral beliefs. These aren't just disagreements; they're deep-seated factions with real-world consequences.

Madison's Insight:
Madison argued that the real problem isn't that people have different opinions or interests; it's that these factions can become so powerful, they override the rights of minorities or the good of the whole. In today's terms, a faction could control social media narratives, influence elections, or push legislation that benefits them over everyone else.

Solution in a Modern Democracy:
Madison suggested that a large republic, like the United States, could actually help solve this issue. Here's how:
Diversity of Interests: In a big country with lots of people, there are countless different interests. This makes it harder for any single faction to take complete control because there are just too many competing viewpoints.

Elected Representatives: Instead of direct democracy, where every citizen might vote on every issue, we elect representatives. These reps are supposed to think about the long-term good rather than just following the loudest voices or current trends. They can mediate between factions.

Checks and Balances: The structure of government, with its separation of powers, ensures no one branch can be taken over completely by a faction. Each part of government can check the others, preventing any one group from getting too much power.

Conclusion:
The key to managing factionalism isn't to eliminate differences (that's impossible), but to create a system where no single faction can dominate at the expense of others. Today, this means embracing our diversity, ensuring fair representation, and maintaining a government structure that prevents any one group from overriding the rights of others. By doing so, we protect democracy from becoming a tyranny of the majority or the tyranny of any powerful minority faction.

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15 hours ago, purdygood said:

The "blue left" may be over represented by the census.  And the House. But the "Red Right" is over represented in the Senate.  The President shouldn't need the Electoral College.  It should be elected by ALL the citizens regardless of where they live.
 

Then they can all work together.
 

But the "Red Right" has a advantage in two of those three currently... Because of the Electoral College. So a lot of "Blue Voters" feel like Rural areas (less people) are making decisions for them. (More people) Just like many Rural voters are "afraid" CA and NY will make decisions for them if it goes away. 

No one needs the masses of stupid people living in overcrowded liberal run cities to be the majority of decision makers in this country. People who live by the code of poor decisions. Uneducated, violent, lazy, fat, drug addled, single parented, and craving government hand outs. Those people don't want to step up to be like the good people, they want to drag everyone down to be like them. 

Thank God for the Electoral College. 

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53 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

 

I'm already voting for Trump, you don't have to try and sell him to me.

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1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Weird response considering the Biden administration issued 60 executive orders in the first few months to dismantle our border and created the worst illegal immigration crisis in history. 

Biden issuing EOs to counter Trump’s executive orders countering Obama’s EOs, ad infinitum. Somewhere at the bottom of all those EOs is the actual original law. My point’s not odd at all when you realize Biden joined Lankford to create legislation that would end this constant rubber band of administrations doing just that.

Btw Trump’s plans for mass deportations & sealing the border would take considerably more EOs & expansion of power, including emergency powers, than what we’ve previously seen.

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Women and children first. 

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Biden issuing EOs to counter Trump’s executive orders countering Obama’s EOs, ad infinitum. Somewhere at the bottom of all those EOs is the actual original law. My point’s not odd at all when you realize Biden joined Lankford to create legislation that would end this constant rubber band of administrations doing just that.

Btw Trump’s plans for mass deportations & sealing the border would take considerably more EOs & expansion of power, including emergency powers, than what we’ve previously seen.

Democrats in Congress have been clear won’t do their jobs on the border and the Trump border orders worked. This is fact. Also fact Biden has let in 12m+ in 4 years which have reaped havoc on our communities and the Lankford bill still allowed more of the same, 5k a day not including gotta-ways. How exactly does that bill secure our border? It does the opposite and would be ineffective like every other bill passed by congress in the past 20 years. The only effect they seem to have is additional debt burden on the American taxpayers. Actually 1 bill that was positive that I can think of was TCJA signed by Trump

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21 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Democrats in Congress have been clear won’t do their jobs on the border and the Trump border orders worked. This is fact. Also fact Biden has let in 12m+ in 4 years which have reaped havoc on our communities and the Lankford bill still allowed more of the same, 5k a day not including gotta-ways. How exactly does that bill secure our border? It does the opposite and would be ineffective like every other bill passed by congress in the past 20 years. The only effect they seem to have is additional debt burden on the American taxpayers. Actually 1 bill that was positive that I can think of was TCJA signed by Trump 

Trump’s border orders worked because of the pandemic. The whole world stopped traveling. But also it triggered Title 42, which required CPB to shut down new entries & automatically deport, not release, when certain numbers hit. The 5K number in the Lankford-Biden bill did just that, so basically you’re arguing against a bill that enacted the very policy you’re lauding.

[Dizkneelande 1,018]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump’s border orders worked because of the pandemic. The whole world stopped traveling. But also it triggered Title 42, which required CPB to shut down new entries & automatically deport, not release, when certain numbers hit. The 5K number in the Lankford-Biden bill did just that, so basically you’re arguing against a bill that enacted the very policy you’re lauding.

Title 42 was implemented in March of 2020 and didn’t end until May of 2023. Illegal encounters hit a record high in 2023. You’re obfuscating facts. 

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump’s border orders worked because of the pandemic. The whole world stopped traveling. But also it triggered Title 42, which required CPB to shut down new entries & automatically deport, not release, when certain numbers hit. The 5K number in the Lankford-Biden bill did just that, so basically you’re arguing against a bill that enacted the very policy you’re lauding.

Ignorance (or dishonesty) on display.  

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22 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Title 42 was implemented in March of 2020 and didn’t end until May of 2023. Illegal encounters hit a record high in 2023. You’re obfuscating facts. 

As I said the whole world stopped travelling, when the world started traveling again it was less effective.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

American citizens re entering the US had to take a Covid test. Migrants did not. Let that sink in. 

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30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ignorance (or dishonesty) on display.  

This thing where Maga Party believes that Jim flippin’ Lankford, who defended Trump from DOJ investigations & carried his policies constantly for 4 years, Republican from *Oklahoma, isn’t trying to inject actually effective border security policies & instead is carrying water for liberals, is fascinating.

The bill incorporated key elements of Title 42 & one of them was the circuit breaker where when 5K per day for IIRC 3 days or 8500 in 1 day was met then entries were halted & auto-deportation was commenced. You bang the table for this stuff, someone hands it to you on a silver platter, & then because Trump coughs hundreds of miles away it’s spat out.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

American citizens re entering the US had to take a Covid test. Migrants did not. Let that sink in. 

Stupid Policy if true.  But that's in the past.   I walked across the border and back two months ago, from San Diego to Tiajuana.   It was easy, but thorough, they didn't check any documents going into Mexico, just a metal detector for bags.  Coming back into the USA I had to have my ID and was asked several questions about why i was in Mexico.  One guy had the wrong answers and they took him into a room.

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

American citizens re entering the US had to take a Covid test. Migrants did not. Let that sink in. 

If only there was a way to actually verify ICE/CPB procedures. There’s a whole section on testing of immigrants including Covid.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/coronavirus/eroCOVID19PostPandemicEmergencyGuidelinesProtocol_08022024.pdf

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This thing where Maga Party believes that Jim flippin’ Lankford, who defended Trump from DOJ investigations & carried his policies constantly for 4 years, Republican from *Oklahoma, isn’t trying to inject actually effective border security policies & instead is carrying water for liberals, is fascinating.

The bill incorporated key elements of Title 42 & one of them was the circuit breaker where when 5K per day for IIRC 3 days or 8500 in 1 day was met then entries were halted & auto-deportation was commenced. You bang the table fir this stuff, someone hands it to you on a silver platter, & then because Trump coughs hundreds of miles away it’s spat out.

More democrats voted against it than republicans.  

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

More democrats voted against it than republicans.  

And many liberals hated it. And yet you reject it still?

OMG, Lankford & Senate Republicans totally outflanked Biden & called his bluff using election season to get what they wanted. Someone stop him! 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And many liberals hated it. And yet you reject it still?

 

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And many liberals hated it. And yet you reject it still?

What a stupid mindset you have. 

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If only there was a way to actually verify ICE/CPB procedures. There’s a whole section on testing of immigrants including Covid.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/coronavirus/eroCOVID19PostPandemicEmergencyGuidelinesProtocol_08022024.pdf

 

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13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If only there was a way to actually verify ICE/CPB procedures. There’s a whole section on testing of immigrants including Covid.

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/coronavirus/eroCOVID19PostPandemicEmergencyGuidelinesProtocol_08022024.pdf

Great.  Too bad they didn’t do it. You lose.  

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11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Great.  Too bad they didn’t do it. 

Most of Covid happened under Trump. Maybe if you believe that happened then select a better candidate for chief executive next time. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Most of Covid happened under Trump. Maybe if you believe that happened then select a better candidate for chief executive next time. 

 

Wat?

Illegal crossing numbers and covid deaths shot up in 2021.  Lots more of both under Biden.  What planet were you living on?

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Automatic deportation if you refuse the Pledge of Allegiance.  

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

Automatic deportation if you refuse the Pledge of Allegiance.  

But what if you recite the original version that didn't have "under god"?

[SaintsInDome2006 211]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

Wat?

Illegal crossing numbers and covid deaths shot up in 2021.  Lots more of both under Biden.  What planet were you living on?

FYI.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

5 minutes ago, purdygood said:

But what if you recite the original version that didn't have "under god"?

Current version.  

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

FYI.

Derp

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Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

Current version.  

Ok then. Well it will be like when I stand but don't take my hat off at a baseball game for the anthem. I'll skip that part. Deport me. To (checks notes) America where I'm from.

[Horseman 1,986]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Ok then. Well it will be like when I stand but don't take my hat off at a baseball game for the anthem. I'll skip that part. Deport me. To (checks notes) America where I'm from.

 faux patriot

probably a dress wearer

[purdygood 306]

Just now, Horseman said:

 faux patriot

probably a dress wearer

Never worn a dress in my life. Question answered.    Unlike Rudy Guilani and JD Vance. (there are pictures)

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28 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Ok then. Well it will be like when I stand but don't take my hat off at a baseball game for the anthem. I'll skip that part. Deport me. To (checks notes) America where I'm from.

Why wouldn’t you take your hat off for the NA?

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8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why wouldn’t you take your hat off for the NA?

I always do.  And place it over my heart.    I'm also hella white and if i forgot sunscreen sometimes i second guess taking it off, I sunburn burn easily.  Or if it's a hella cold game and I'm wearing a Beanie. Not sure of the protocol there.  My brother in law who is black still takes a knee. I stand. We get along.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

47 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Ok then. Well it will be like when I stand but don't take my hat off at a baseball game for the anthem. I'll skip that part. Deport me. To (checks notes) America where I'm from.

Just the Plege of allegiance in a formal setting Kappy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

5 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I always do.  And place it over my heart.    I'm also hella white and if i forgot sunscreen sometimes i second guess taking it off, I sunburn burn easily.  Or if it's a hella cold game and I'm wearing a Beanie. Not sure of the protocol there.  My brother in law who is black still takes a knee. I stand. We get along.

You speak like a hella idiot.  

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1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Automatic deportation if you refuse the Pledge of Allegiance.  

Wow, that sounds an awful lot like a gross violation of the first amendment. But I know belief in these kinds of things is pretty pliable for MAGA, depending on the talking points of the day.

[Fnord 1,664]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You speak like a hella idiot.  

tl;dr

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56 minutes ago, Horseman said:

CPB Stats

I presented you a chart showing international traveling dipping in 2020 then rising in 2021. You presented a link showing no 2020 but border encounters rising in 2021.

Exactly my point.

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[SaintsInDome2006 211]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Wat?

Illegal crossing numbers and covid deaths shot up in 2021.  Lots more of both under Biden.  What planet were you living on?

Btw HT2's point wasn't about border encounter numbers, it was about his claiming that immigrants weren't tested for Covid. My point was that if he believed they weren't tested he should hold that to the chief executive running things then, The Donald.

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We’re on the cusp of getting the border under control.  I can just feel it. Also, to be fair, she’s saying education not agitation i think. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

We’re on the cusp of getting the border under control.  I can just feel it. Also, to be fair, she’s saying education not agitation i think. 

 

Believing the Jussie Smollett story should disqualify you from running for President.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

20 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Wow, that sounds an awful lot like a gross violation of the first amendment. But I know belief in these kinds of things is pretty pliable for MAGA, depending on the talking points of the day.

Constitution covers non citizens?