Mass Deportation

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

11 hours ago, Death said:

Of course you are. He could  on your face, and you'd love it.

You have such odd homoerotic fantasies clownzo. 

[RLLD 3,928]

11 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I’m for people wanting to come here and work, contribute to our society. 

Legally....right?

[jbycho 206]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Legally....right?

Why do you always have to bring up the obvious stuff that the left desires to overlook? 

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Why do you always have to bring up the obvious stuff that the left desires to overlook? 

When your kid does or says something clearly from muscle memory, it is useful to challenge them a little to ensure they are understanding and not just reacting from some thing they memorized.

One of my kids use to behave much like our more liberal brethren here.  They know some things, but have never transitions from knowing things to a place where they understand those things. One way we can all improve things in our nation is to help liberals migrate toward wisdom over knowledge. 

[thegeneral 2,490]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Legally....right?

Of course. If people are here by other means, working, being productive I don’t care either. 

[RLLD 3,928]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Of course. If people are here by other means, working, being productive I don’t care either. 

OK, I disagree, but I understand your position on this.

[thegeneral 2,490]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

OK, I disagree, but I understand your position on this.

Who do you want to see deported and what means would you think is appropriate?

[RLLD 3,928]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Who do you want to see deported and what means would you think is appropriate?

I think we should have stages.  Right now I want every criminal, that means those who were criminals before they came here and broke our laws by entering illegally.  I also want anyone on a terror watch list.

Past that we can start gathering up anyone else who illegally crossed our border, send them home as well. Go after the bulk of those who were allowed to rush in over the last four years.

If there are those who have not committed a crime and are productive useful people, allow them to request to stay and evaluate them for it. 

JMHO

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I think we should have stages.  Right now I want every criminal, that means those who were criminals before they came here and broke our laws by entering illegally.  I also want anyone on a terror watch list.

Past that we can start gathering up anyone else who illegally crossed our border, send them home as well. Go after the bulk of those who were allowed to rush in over the last four years.

If there are those who have not committed a crime and are productive useful people, allow them to request to stay and evaluate them for it. 

JMHO

Criminals seems easy. I guess there’s debate there because some people say they are all criminals.

The 4 year window is kind of odd but beyond that how do you favor gathering these people up.

What about if they have had children here what’s happening then.

[RLLD 3,928]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Criminals seems easy. I guess there’s debate there because some people say they are all criminals.

The 4 year window is kind of odd but beyond that how do you favor gathering these people up.

What about if they have had children here what’s happening then.

I think we probably have common ground on "criminals" with some potential nuance.

I look at the surge after Biden tool office and I see those migrants as already knowing very well that they were doing something illegal, they have no excuses and should be high on the list. JMHO

IF they have children, they can either take them along or leave them behind as they choose.  Using children as a hedge for their illegal activity wont work here. I wont allow it to be a tool against what is right. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Legally....right?

The MAGA opposition to immigration is not rooted in legality, it is rooted in ethnicity. This is pretty easy to prove: about half of all those who are here illegally come here legally on guest or student visas and simply overstay their welcome. Yet these folks are never the focus of the MAGA crowd; neither are those who come here across our Canadian border. MAGA is almost 100% concerned with those who come across our southern border; in addition, they are almost equally concerned with refugees who come here legally from “sh!thole countries” along with Muslims. 

[HellToupee 1,252]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The MAGA opposition to immigration is not rooted in legality, it is rooted in ethnicity. This is pretty easy to prove: about half of all those who are here illegally come here legally on guest or student visas and simply overstay their welcome. Yet these folks are never the focus of the MAGA crowd; neither are those who come here across our Canadian border. MAGA is almost 100% concerned with those who come across our southern border; in addition, they are almost equally concerned with refugees who come here legally from “sh!thole countries” along with Muslims. 

What a self righteous SOB. So much wrong with your post

[RLLD 3,928]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The MAGA opposition to immigration is not rooted in legality, it is rooted in ethnicity. This is pretty easy to prove: about half of all those who are here illegally come here legally on guest or student visas and simply overstay their welcome. Yet these folks are never the focus of the MAGA crowd; neither are those who come here across our Canadian border. MAGA is almost 100% concerned with those who come across our southern border; in addition, they are almost equally concerned with refugees who come here legally from “sh!thole countries” along with Muslims. 

Incorrect. As those on the right have clearly outlined, legal immigration is supported, illegal is not.  This lie that it is "ethnicity" is simple not going to work anymore.  We are done with it.  You can trot it out and try that one to your hearts content.

So, either come up with a way to debate it on the merits, and end the identity politics nonsense, or continue to watch your ideological opponents secure power, denying you access to ANY of your platform desires.  Up to you. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

Just now, HellToupee said:

What a self righteous SOB. So much wrong with your post

Well you’re welcome to tell me what that is. 

[thegeneral 2,490]

19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think we probably have common ground on "criminals" with some potential nuance.

I look at the surge after Biden tool office and I see those migrants as already knowing very well that they were doing something illegal, they have no excuses and should be high on the list. JMHO

IF they have children, they can either take them along or leave them behind as they choose.  Using children as a hedge for their illegal activity wont work here. I wont allow it to be a tool against what is right. 

That just seems very random. The people coming over when Trump or Obama knew they were breaking the law. That’s why they snuck in.

What efforts do you see being acceptable to collect people? Police actively picking people up, raids, if they happen to get pulled over, go after businesses, etc.  

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

Just now, RLLD said:

Incorrect. As those on the right have clearly outlined, legal immigration is supported, illegal is not.  This lie that it is "ethnicity" is simple not going to work anymore.  We are done with it.  You can trot it out and try that one to your hearts content.

So, either come up with a way to debate it on the merits, and end the identity politics nonsense, or continue to watch your ideological opponents secure power, denying you access to ANY of your platform desires.  Up to you. 

My post offered you evidence of why what I wrote is correct. If you feel otherwise then you’re welcome to explain why I am wrong about this. 

[RLLD 3,928]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

That just seems very random. The people coming over when Trump or Obama knew they were breaking the law. That’s why they snuck in.

What efforts do you see being acceptable to collect people? Police actively picking people up, raids, if they happen to get pulled over, go after businesses, etc.  

We have to start somewhere, just going out randomly with no confinement on pursuit is too broad, I prefer to narrow where possible.

I think ICE should take the lead.  The problem will be certain localities. I do wonder, and have some concern about, what happens if there is a standoff between ICE and local law enforcement.  We have already observed the deference to criminals in some localities, as well as some local elected officials indicating they will not cooperate.  So what happens when ICE tries to apprehend rapists and murderers enjoying the protections of local Democrat politicians?  This to me seems dangerous.

[RLLD 3,928]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My post offered you evidence of why what I wrote is correct. If you feel otherwise then you’re welcome to explain why I am wrong about this. 

I read your opinion, not "evidence".  I disagree with your opinion.  Nothing wrong with disagreeing on something.

[HellToupee 1,252]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you’re welcome to tell me what that is. 

I care about every illegal invader trying to get in. Dont conflate someone staying over their student visa with someone from a sh1thole country with the mindset of someone from 1,000 years ago. Once they’re in I really don’t care about the Mexican etc working in a kitchen as long as he’s not a bad hombre. 

In short attempt to keep out people from entering illegally . Dont confuse someone who happens to be muslim living as a savage with civilized people who happen to be Muslim with being anti muslim. A sh1thole country is a sh1thole for a reason 

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

We have to start somewhere, just going out randomly with no confinement on pursuit is too broad, I prefer to narrow where possible.

I think ICE should take the lead.  The problem will be certain localities. I do wonder, and have some concern about, what happens if there is a standoff between ICE and local law enforcement.  We have already observed the deference to criminals in some localities, as well as some local elected officials indicating they will not cooperate.  So what happens when ICE tries to apprehend rapists and murderers enjoying the protections of local Democrat politicians?  This to me seems dangerous.

That seems to add more effort tracking when they came in. How would you even know this?

Yeah I could see that being an issue. If it is say a proven rapist well I wouldn’t worry about that. Honestly surprised why they aren’t already kicked out.

I’d be more worried about issues that come up over accidents or with bad cops. ICE picking up millions of people is going to have a ton of issues. How are they going to do this, who are they targeting? Some redneck cop start pulling people over because they are brown, is there a number to call to report people, is there a process to hold people while this is figured out. The aforementioned kids who are now US citizens. This is a disaster in the making.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,430]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That seems to add more effort tracking when they came in. How would you even know this?

Yeah I could see that being an issue. If it is say a proven rapist well I wouldn’t worry about that. Honestly surprised why they aren’t already kicked out.

I’d be more worried about issues that come up over accidents or with bad cops. ICE picking up millions of people is going to have a ton of issues. How are they going to do this, who are they targeting? Some redneck cop start pulling people over because they are brown, is there a number to call to report people, is there a process to hold people while this is figured out. The aforementioned kids who are now US citizens. This is a disaster in the making.

I think we check their DNA, fingerprints and other forensics to determine where these people have been.  

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

7 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I care about every illegal invader trying to get in. Dont conflate someone staying over their student visa with someone from a sh1thole country with the mindset of someone from 1,000 years ago. Once they’re in I really don’t care about the Mexican etc working in a kitchen as long as he’s not a bad hombre. 

In short attempt to keep out people from entering illegally . Dont confuse someone who happens to be muslim living as a savage with civilized people who happen to be Muslim with being anti muslim. A sh1thole country is a sh1thole for a reason 

Your distinctions do not match the rhetoric of Trump or the MAGA crowd in general. 

[RLLD 3,928]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That seems to add more effort tracking when they came in. How would you even know this?

Yeah I could see that being an issue. If it is say a proven rapist well I wouldn’t worry about that. Honestly surprised why they aren’t already kicked out.

I’d be more worried about issues that come up over accidents or with bad cops. ICE picking up millions of people is going to have a ton of issues. How are they going to do this, who are they targeting? Some redneck cop start pulling people over because they are brown, is there a number to call to report people, is there a process to hold people while this is figured out. The aforementioned kids who are now US citizens. This is a disaster in the making.

I will not have all the answers, but I am suggesting some starting points. And I think it will likely be true that the tactics and strategy will have to continually evolve;  there will be active opposition in play.

I think there is a deference to immigrants right now where the pendulum has swung pretty far left, and that is why we see them being allowed here to continue their criminality, and then set free to perform even more criminality.

I do not think bad cops are our concern, I think they exist, but in such small numbers that they are mostly irrelevant.

The kids are citizens, all good, the parents that created this situation through their illegal activity will have to resolve the situation they created.  If YOU have kids, and do something illegal and are convicted, they might be taking those kids away, this is how it works.m thunk t

So....come here illegally?  Think your kids can be used to flout the law? Nope.  Ensuring migrants also know this is also a great way to make them think twice.  We cannot simply close the border, we have to remove the motivation to come here.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,409]

9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I care about every illegal invader trying to get in. Dont conflate someone staying over their student visa with someone from a sh1thole country with the mindset of someone from 1,000 years ago. Once they’re in I really don’t care about the Mexican etc working in a kitchen as long as he’s not a bad hombre. 

In short attempt to keep out people from entering illegally . Dont confuse someone who happens to be muslim living as a savage with civilized people who happen to be Muslim with being anti muslim. A sh1thole country is a sh1thole for a reason 

Anyone not here LEGALLY should be ejected immediately.  I don't care what they're doing.  And none of this nonsense about "asylum" because then EVERYONE will claim "asylum".

 

[thegeneral 2,490]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I will not have all the answers, but I am suggesting some starting points. And I think it will likely be true that the tactics and strategy will have to continually evolve;  there will be active opposition in play.

I think there is a deference to immigrants right now where the pendulum has swung pretty far left, and that is why we see them being allowed here to continue their criminality, and then set free to perform even more criminality.

I do not think bad cops are our concern, I think they exist, but in such small numbers that they are mostly irrelevant.

The kids are citizens, all good, the parents that created this situation through their illegal activity will have to resolve the situation they created.  If YOU have kids, and do something illegal and are convicted, they might be taking those kids away, this is how it works.m thunk t

So....come here illegally?  Think your kids can be used to flout the law? Nope.  Ensuring migrants also know this is also a great way to make them think twice.  We cannot simply close the border, we have to remove the motivation to come here.

I don’t think the people making this up have the answers either. It will be determined in part by public opinion.

Things like the kids being US citizens or how people are rounded up or the first time an ICE agent roughs up a woman or the wrong person is scooped up, or any number of complications arises will bring this whole process into question and becomes a matter of public debate. This could become very ugly with the spokesperson for the whole thing being DJT.

Once outside of people with face tattoos who have been arrested getting bounced I see this ending badly for those who think that 10’s of millions of people are being deported.

[purdygood 306]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t think the people making this up have the answers either. It will be determined in part by public opinion.

Things like the kids being US citizens or how people are rounded up or the first time an ICE agent roughs up a woman or the wrong person is scooped up, or any number of complications arises will bring this whole process into question and becomes a matter of public debate. This could become very ugly with the spokesperson for the whole thing being DJT.

Once outside of people with face tattoos who have been arrested getting bounced I see this ending badly for those who think that 10’s of millions of people are being deported.

You mean taking kids out of a closet at gun point is a bad look on tv? Can't imagine that going wrong.  Also are we going to deport all the Indian software engineers who have overstayed their H1-B's ?

[Alias Detective 1,312]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

I guess there’s debate there because some people say they are all criminals.

 

There is no debate.  They are criminals.  How can there be a debate on that? Focking idiot.

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

One way to define the Trump years is the constant attempt by conservatives here and elsewhere to sanitize him. He makes a racist remark about immigrants, you guys say he’s only talking about the really bad ones. He says immigration is awful; you guys say he’s only talking about illegal immigrants. He says he doesn’t want immigrants from dark skinned countries, you guys say he doesn’t want to import poverty here. And so forth. 

[Alias Detective 1,312]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The MAGA opposition to immigration is not rooted in legality, it is rooted in ethnicity. This is pretty easy to prove: about half of all those who are here illegally come here legally on guest or student visas and simply overstay their welcome. Yet these folks are never the focus of the MAGA crowd; neither are those who come here across our Canadian border. MAGA is almost 100% concerned with those who come across our southern border; in addition, they are almost equally concerned with refugees who come here legally from “sh!thole countries” along with Muslims. 

It's rooted in criminality rather than legality. 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

There is no debate.  They are criminals.  How can there be a debate on that? Focking idiot.

Immigrant A comes here without papers across the border, works hard, never breaks the laws, tries to support his family. 
 

Immigrant B comes here without papers across the border, rapes and murders. 
 

Are you really saying these two examples are no different in your eyes? To be treated exactly the same? They’re both “criminals” to you ? 

[IGotWorms 4,022]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Immigrant A comes here without papers across the border, works hard, never breaks the laws, tries to support his family. 
 

Immigrant B comes here without papers across the border, rapes and murders. 
 

Are you really saying these two examples are no different in your eyes? To be treated exactly the same? They’re both “criminals” to you ? 

They both raped our border 

[thegeneral 2,490]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

There is no debate.  They are criminals.  How can there be a debate on that? Focking idiot.

When you parse sections from the middle of another convo this happens.

The poster I was talking to and I were getting into what this means to deport criminals. Some people think only deport people who have done crimes outside of coming here, start there then do others. Some think they are all the same since they are here illegally and deport everyone. 

[Alias Detective 1,312]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Immigrant A comes here without papers across the border, works hard, never breaks the laws, tries to support his family. 
 

Immigrant B comes here without papers across the border, rapes and murders. 
 

Are you really saying these two examples are no different in your eyes? To be treated exactly the same? They’re both “criminals” to you ? 

Immigrant A is a criminal for coming here illegal.

Immigrant B is a criminal for coming here illegal.  Immigrant B is also a rapist and murderer.

 

Pretty simple to me.

 

[The Real timschochet 5,232]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

Immigrant A is a criminal for coming here illegal.

Immigrant B is a criminal for coming here illegal.  Immigrant B is also a rapist and murderer.

 

Pretty simple to me.

 

The first “crime” is misdemeanor. I don’t think it’s a serious crime to be punished on an equal level with the second. Do you? 

[Alias Detective 1,312]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

When you parse sections from the middle of another convo this happens.

The poster I was talking to and I were getting into what this means to deport criminals. Some people think only deport people who have done crimes outside of coming here, start there then do others. Some think they are all the same since they are here illegally and deport everyone. 

I know what point you were discussing.  I think it's worth a discussion.  It doesn't mean the focker isn't a criminal for being here illegal.  Just admit it and maybe you and I could even come to common ground on this.  Instead, you want to minimize the fact even the good one's who are here illegal aren't criminal in that sense.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

Stop feeding and housing them. They can report to the authorities for a hearing and a flight home when they get cold and  hungry. They will be treated humanely while awaiting deportation.  That’s a start. 

[Alias Detective 1,312]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The first “crime” is misdemeanor. I don’t think it’s a serious crime to be punished on an equal level with the second. Do you? 

A Crime none the less right?

[thegeneral 2,490]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

I know what point you were discussing.  I think it's worth a discussion.  It doesn't mean the focker isn't a criminal for being here illegal.  Just admit it and maybe you and I could even come to common ground on this.  Instead, you want to minimize the fact even the good one's who are here illegal aren't criminal in that sense.

The important part here is what you are doing with these people and how you are doing it.

“The good ones” are getting rounded up by cops, military, what have you and dumped at the border? 

[Alias Detective 1,312]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The important part here is what you are doing with these people and how you are doing it.

“The good ones” are getting rounded up by cops, military, what have you and dumped at the border? 

That is above my pay grade but letting them off scott-free isn't the solution.  Maybe 1,000 hours of community service or something like that.  If they don't like that option give them a plane ticket home.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,164]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The first “crime” is misdemeanor. I don’t think it’s a serious crime to be punished on an equal level with the second. Do you? 

I was told no one is above the law. Remember that? Also, in the US, entering the county illegally is a felony. You’re confused with over staying your visa, which is not.